Bow or Cross bow?
XFireversalX - Raging Tide
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Well i just made an archer so sorry if this question is dumb. I was just wondering what should my lvl 20 archer use? Bow or Cross bow? And please state why.
Thanks in Advance b:victory
Thanks in Advance b:victory
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Oh dear, you invaded our archer space now.
It's what you prefer really.
Bows- Moderate damage, moderate APS
Crossbows- High spike damage, slow APS
Slingshots- Low damage, fastest APS
Personally, I use bows, and I used the legend slingshot... Windcatcher? Can't remember, it's been so long. b:surrender
Well anyway it was a slingshot with -.1 interval, and I remember when I first got it I kept stealing aggro on the boss in PQ.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Crossbow: Slow, high damage
Sling: quick, lowest damage
Bow: the thing in between
So choose after your playstyle. I would go with whatever weapon you get, until you can get this. Any quest reward will do. Else look for 3* out of AH.
Edit: Ninja'd Q.QFeel free to PM me for help.
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Trial xbow till lv 30 or 35...i used till 35...i love xbows...b:dirty[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=9267511001&dateline=1298980500[/SIGPIC] O Yay! I Killed that nix veno!0
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it's personal preference, really. on my archer i tried all three, early on in my 2x levels, and then promptly got hooked on the attack speed of the slingshots... yeah, i'm a speed freak.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Heaven's Tear alts: KenLubin, Sou_Hon, JudyCaraco --- level 5x chars.0
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I interchanged the bow and crossbow from the lvl 20 stash and FB19, depending on what ammo I had in my inventory. I used those until lvl 35 and now I have a 3* crossbow that I bought from the Auction House.0
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Bow archers are sexy :P b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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XFireversalX - Raging Tide wrote: »Well i just made an archer so sorry if this question is dumb. I was just wondering what should my lvl 20 archer use? Bow or Cross bow? And please state why.
Thanks in Advance b:victory
At level 20, you should use your Trial Crossbow that you obtained from your FB19 quest.0 -
As many people mentioned before, xbow has best atk and lowest interval, slingshot has best interval and lowest atk and bow is somewhere in the midle.
If you take a good look at your interval when you are low level you will notice that there is not a big difference between bow and xbow. The difference of interval will come later, when you need to pvp. The difference of atk power is quite important for a lvl 20 archer.
I suggest that you use xbow for start. When you get some interval you should swich to bow. Also if you get the chance to craft hh bows you should take it. They have nice effects.
If you can afford to donate i advise you to buy hypers. 4 hours of hypering on quests got my archer from lvl 1 to lvl 55. Make sure you do the right quests and that you turn hyper off when you move from one location to the other. Also pure dex built will help in doing that.
As for last weapon of the archer...it doesn't fit ....looks childish and stupid if u ask me. However i can't deny that it provides you with good advantages. If i recall correctly there is one slingshot that has a chance to silence opponent. It's awsome!
I also recomand slingshot and bow for hell archers and xbow for sage archers.0 -
VyperionV - Lost City wrote: »As many people mentioned before, xbow has best atk and lowest interval, slingshot has best interval and lowest atk and bow is somewhere in the midle.
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If you take a good look at your interval when you are low level you will notice that there is not a big difference between bow and xbow. The difference of interval will come later, when you need to pvp. The difference of atk power is quite important for a lvl 20 archer.
I suggest that you use xbow for start. When you get some interval you should swich to bow. Also if you get the chance to craft hh bows you should take it. They have nice effects.
Lol you never "need to pvp" and I know archers who pvp without interval. Anyway interval won't come until atleas lv 60 if he gets bracers of the bloodmoon or lv 80 if he goes for tt80 gold bracers. not including the weps because you said switch to a bow when you get interval... Most of the TT bows are ****, I advise the OP to go with legendary bow/slings until practically endgame when you can get lunar bow or rank8 bow. FC green bow is good, also, i hear. I weild TT80 gold bow so i never actually equipped an FC bow to really know.
If you can afford to donate i advise you to buy hypers. 4 hours of hypering on quests got my archer from lvl 1 to lvl 55. Make sure you do the right quests and that you turn hyper off when you move from one location to the other. Also pure dex built will help in doing that.
where in the OP's post did he say he wanted to level fast? o_O
As for last weapon of the archer...it doesn't fit ....looks childish and stupid if u ask me. However i can't deny that it provides you with good advantages. If i recall correctly there is one slingshot that has a chance to silence opponent. It's awsome!
Yes, because we all choose our weps based on what they look like.
I also recomand slingshot and bow for hell archers and xbow for sage archers.
Which archers go sage anyway? Unless you're a clawrcher i don't see why...
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Personal preference is personal.
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I ok thanks alot guys. I think i might go with bow because when ever you picture an archer you dont picture it with a slingshot, or a xbow do you? Lol so ye well thanks for all the feed back have a nice day to you fellow archers and archerit's b:thanks0
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XFireversalX - Raging Tide wrote: »I ok thanks alot guys. I think i might go with bow because when ever you picture an archer you dont picture it with a slingshot, or a xbow do you? Lol so ye well thanks for all the feed back have a nice day to you fellow archers and archerit's b:thanks
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You don't choose a wep because it's prettier than another or because it doesn't suit your character; you pick it because you think the stats are better.
If you ask 95% of archers, they will tell you that you should get Wind & Clouds slingshot at 6x-7x and keep it for awhile. It's one of the nicer slings in the game and the interval + already high APS makes up for the low dmg in no time.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »1)correct
2)Lol you never "need to pvp" and I know archers who pvp without interval. Anyway interval won't come until atleas lv 60 if he gets bracers of the bloodmoon or lv 80 if he goes for tt80 gold bracers. not including the weps because you said switch to a bow when you get interval... Most of the TT bows are ****, I advise the OP to go with legendary bow/slings until practically endgame when you can get lunar bow or rank8 bow. FC green bow is good, also, i hear. I weild TT80 gold bow so i never actually equipped an FC bow to really know.
3)where in the OP's post did he say he wanted to level fast? o_O
4)Yes, because we all choose our weps based on what they look like.
5)Which archers go sage anyway? Unless you're a clawrcher i don't see why...
1)b:sweat Did u rly have to answer this line? Confirmation is kinda useless
2)A lot of ppl "need to pvp". I came to LC and i didn;t choose HT because of the need to pvp.
If you know archers who pvp without interval then good for you but i do not understand how that relates to my post. If you read correctly i wanted to suggest that interval is not that much of a necesity under lvl 90 when it comes to pve. In pvp you either choose to go for interval or you choose to go for huge damage. As for HH bows...they have nice effects and i like them. I talk from my own point of view.
3)You ask where he said he wants to lvl fast but you talk about r8 bow. Nobody wants to stay at lvl 20 for ever, my friend! Especially with all the lvl 100+ ppl wearing r8 that pk all noobs they see in order to get red name. It was an advice to jump to lvl 55 fast. The higher you are the more options you have when choosing a wep.
4)Well...normally ppl choose a wep based on it's stats.
5)I do not want you to feel offended but you don't seem to have experience with archers at all if u ask such a question.
Sage archer is best archer for team play. It's more of a support class for it's team members. However we can't deny that it has awsome dmg and can kill by itself rather fast.
It's best choice for team play in TWS and PVE.
Originally pw didn;t have tome for interval or **** such as LG robe. Max interval on fist could be obtained by EA and that was 3.33 with r8 top. By sparking, only Demon EA could get 5 aps so sage EA was not ment for claw fighting. Sage was ment to support and to kill enemies with powerful atks.0 -
VyperionV - Lost City wrote: »Originally pw didn;t have tome for interval or **** such as LG robe.
The truth of your history here depends on your meaning. Both of those were available in PW other than PWI but were initially turned off in PWI.0 -
VyperionV - Lost City wrote: »1)b:sweat Did u rly have to answer this line? Confirmation is kinda useless
2)A lot of ppl "need to pvp". I came to LC and i didn;t choose HT because of the need to pvp.
If you know archers who pvp without interval then good for you but i do not understand how that relates to my post. If you read correctly i wanted to suggest that interval is not that much of a necesity under lvl 90 when it comes to pve. In pvp you either choose to go for interval or you choose to go for huge damage. As for HH bows...they have nice effects and i like them. I talk from my own point of view.
3)You ask where he said he wants to lvl fast but you talk about r8 bow. Nobody wants to stay at lvl 20 for ever, my friend! Especially with all the lvl 100+ ppl wearing r8 that pk all noobs they see in order to get red name. It was an advice to jump to lvl 55 fast. The higher you are the more options you have when choosing a wep.
4)Well...normally ppl choose a wep based on it's stats.
5)I do not want you to feel offended but you don't seem to have experience with archers at all if u ask such a question.
Sage archer is best archer for team play. It's more of a support class for it's team members. However we can't deny that it has awsome dmg and can kill by itself rather fast.
It's best choice for team play in TWS and PVE.
Originally pw didn;t have tome for interval or **** such as LG robe. Max interval on fist could be obtained by EA and that was 3.33 with r8 top. By sparking, only Demon EA could get 5 aps so sage EA was not ment for claw fighting. Sage was ment to support and to kill enemies with powerful atks.
1. Because I can.
2. If you are going to pvp that is fine. But you never need to pvp. You want to pvp. Sorry, my dad made sure to stress my wants and needs when i was a child.
3. Because he was asking about bows. So obviously I was going to mention r8 bow. If he asked how to level fast, I would say hypers.
4. You replied to sarcasm. GG
5. Yes, and the whole 2% of sage archers running around really backs that up. I'm not saying that sage archers are bad... it's just half of the lv 11 skills are so much better demon. I would kill to have demon spark, sage chi skill, sage STA, stunning arrow & Winged Shell WITH my demon skills. But I wasnt willing to give up Demon Winged Blessing, because I'm an accuracy freak, not to mention an interval freak so demon spark worked best for me. Now, I will tell you that before I hit 89 I was on the fence about going sage but then I realised... I don't want to be tanking stuff with my sage spark that reduces my damage taken, I want to be a DDer and get the most out of my DDing with attack rate. If I wanted to be a tank, I would level up my barb and make him sage b:bye *
*The reason why I said CLAWRCHERS going sage, because they will more than likely be tanking things, therefore sage spark would be better suited for them[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »The truth of your history here depends on your meaning. Both of those were available in PW other than PWI but were initially turned off in PWI.
From what i know Malayesian pw (that is the base of all pw private servers) is the oldest version. That doesn't have LG an tome with interval.NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »1. Because I can.
2. If you are going to pvp that is fine. But you never need to pvp. You want to pvp. Sorry, my dad made sure to stress my wants and needs when i was a child.
3. Because he was asking about bows. So obviously I was going to mention r8 bow. If he asked how to level fast, I would say hypers.
4. You replied to sarcasm. GG
5. Yes, and the whole 2% of sage archers running around really backs that up. I'm not saying that sage archers are bad... it's just half of the lv 11 skills are so much better demon. I would kill to have demon spark, sage chi skill, sage STA, stunning arrow & Winged Shell WITH my demon skills. But I wasnt willing to give up Demon Winged Blessing, because I'm an accuracy freak, not to mention an interval freak so demon spark worked best for me. Now, I will tell you that before I hit 89 I was on the fence about going sage but then I realised... I don't want to be tanking stuff with my sage spark that reduces my damage taken, I want to be a DDer and get the most out of my DDing with attack rate. If I wanted to be a tank, I would level up my barb and make him sage b:bye *
*The reason why I said CLAWRCHERS going sage, because they will more than likely be tanking things, therefore sage spark would be better suited for them
1)ok
2)Having fun comes from pvp..i want to have fun so i need to pvp in order to have fun XD
3)ok
4)i reply according to the way ppl talk to me
About claw EA...i don't advise any sage EA to go for fists because they lack interval and need as much atk power as they can get.Adding points to str diminishes dex as well as atk power. Also in order to be a good fist atker u need 5 aps and you can get that by wearing specific items, items that provide you with poor defense comparing to others. Demon spark allows one to get 25% more interval for 15 sec. That means demon EA must not have all the items that give interval in case he uses fists.Demon EA can wear cube jewlery that has nicer bonus than lionheart set.
Wings of Grace gives 30% damage reduction for 15 sec and also has 30 sec cooldown. That means 15 u recive normal dmg. 5 aps can refill chi in short time so one can use wings once then spark. Keep hiting and in those 15 sec of bessing archer refills chi so he can do spark again if needed to refill hp and gain 3 sec of imunity to dmg or he can use wings + spark again.
Sage spark gives only 25% protection and if you use wings of grace and then spark , park cancels wings effect. So i must contradict you when it comes to tanking. Also by using pills tanking becomes easier.
I am noob at barbs but from what i know u have more advantages in tiger form if you go demon.b:bye0 -
NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »/facedesk
You don't choose a wep because it's prettier than another or because it doesn't suit your character; you pick it because you think the stats are better.
I do. And I have never used or touched a Crossbow or Slingshot in my Archer life. Although, the higher the level bow, the better it looks, along with better stats anyway.0 -
VyperionV - Lost City wrote: »From what i know Malayesian pw (that is the base of all pw private servers) is the oldest version. That doesn't have LG an tome with
Really? I have never played there myself, so I am not in any position to know about that.
Here are some pwdatabase links for malasian interval tome: http://www.pwdatabase.com/my/items/17683 and interval cape: http://www.pwdatabase.com/my/items/21395
Of course you cannot use that cape in that quest, but I would be interested in hearing what is missing from the game that prevents you from getting those two items.0 -
VyperionV - Lost City wrote: »
2)Having fun comes from pvp..i want to have fun so i need to pvp in order to have fun XD
This doesn't apply to everyone. I feel like I'm getting trolled into replying here. Most PvE players are called 'carebears' for a reason.
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Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »Really? I have never played there myself, so I am not in any position to know about that.
Here are some pwdatabase links for malasian interval tome: http://www.pwdatabase.com/my/items/17683 and interval cape: http://www.pwdatabase.com/my/items/21395
Of course you cannot use that cape in that quest, but I would be interested in hearing what is missing from the game that prevents you from getting those two items.
Perhaps they updated it. What i said was that in the begining there was no such thing and that private servers use old malayesian database. In all the private servers i've been i saw no such thing.
Besides that there were some stones in database that give +15 agl and +20 con. I never saw them in game. Perhaps database and game have little differences or perhaps i just didn;t see those stones in game.
Either way from what i know on original version no such thing as interval tome or cape existed. If game was updated and new stuff came there is a posibility they are displayed in database as well.Falcondance - Heavens Tear wrote: »This doesn't apply to everyone. I feel like I'm getting trolled into replying here. Most PvE players are called 'carebears' for a reason.
As a player from pvp server (LC) i talk from my own point of view. Anything wrong with that?
Perhaps we should stick to the main point of this topic though. PM's r a good option for us to express our different opinions.0 -
VyperionV - Lost City wrote: »Sage spark gives only 25% protection and if you use wings of grace and then spark , park cancels wings effect. So i must contradict you when it comes to tanking. Also by using pills tanking becomes easier.
I am noob at barbs but from what i know u have more advantages in tiger form if you go demon.b:bye
I never said anything about WoG. o_O And you don't need WoG to tank. The only time I've used WoG is in Pvp or in bh59 on those damn stunning mobs before Ofotis. I've tanked quite a few things without using WoG and I didn't die, so it's not absolutely neccessary to use it. Anyway, I would always choose Sage spark over WoG because of the increase in dmg. And yes, sage barb doesn't have sage flesh ream which reduces the chi consumption, and sage spark wouldn't be helpful at all if the cleric is lagging with heals or anything, and sage chi skill would be horrible for those times you need quick chi before you tank a boss. Feral Reg.. it would suck to get MP regen ontop of HP regen, because barbs don't run out of mana fast with all the flesh reaming they do. Also everyone hates having 50% more phys dmg with sage strength of the titans. And good god! How dare a barb go sage for Sage true form! 40% more Hp? OMG! And Sage Shape Shifting Intensity! 120% MOAR phys defense?! ...Alright that is all. b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Well..ofc u said nothing about WoG. I just offered an alternative to sage spark. Better damage reduction. 5% more.
If you have 5 aps you get chi fast so you can afford using WoG+Spark
If you don't have 5 aps then you kill slow and you will want to get it because the faster you kill the safer you are.
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VyperionV - Lost City wrote: »Well..ofc u said nothing about WoG. I just offered an alternative to sage spark. Better damage reduction. 5% more.
If you have 5 aps you get chi fast so you can afford using WoG+Spark
If you don't have 5 aps then you kill slow and you will want to get it because the faster you kill the safer you are.
I will not discuss barb matters because i have no idea how to play it. Never tried and never will. XD
Hypering an archer to 100 doesn't mean you know how to play one either. ijsb:dirty0 -
Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »Hypering an archer to 100 doesn't mean you know how to play one either. ijs
Doesn;t mean i don;t know how to play either. Though that ain't the topic here.0 -
The reason is that Cross is high damage but slow and it's damage is very variable From 500 atack to 100 atack so... the bow is same speed but more steady damage. and the sling is lower damage more stable damage but faster shooitng speed mhm so any one you get but if you get a legendary or quest weapon USE IT well taht really goes for any class0
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XFireversalX - Raging Tide wrote: »Well i just made an archer so sorry if this question is dumb. I was just wondering what should my lvl 20 archer use? Bow or Cross bow? And please state why.
Thanks in Advance b:victory
It doesn't really matter until 80+ or so. Just use the best weapon you can find for your current level with good stats, dmg, dex, crit etc. If its a bow/sling/xbow doesn't matter, you're just gonna kill mobs anyway and wont refine much. Its not so many weapon choice anyway.
What archers normally pick is like:
Random **** til 5X
TT60 XBow
7X Wind and Clouds Sling shoot.
HH80 Gold bow
Level 85-95 Frost Bow or Frost Xbow/HH90 XBow Binding Radiance
95+ get Heaven Shatter or just wait til lvl 100 and get rank8.
Bows generally have the best weapons with best stats, thats why archers use them: Rank8, Nirvana with purge, Rank9, Heaven Shatter etc.0 -
VyperionV - Lost City wrote: »Perhaps they updated it. What i said was that in the begining there was no such thing and that private servers use old malayesian database. In all the private servers i've been i saw no such thing.
Besides that there were some stones in database that give +15 agl and +20 con. I never saw them in game. Perhaps database and game have little differences or perhaps i just didn;t see those stones in game.
Either way from what i know on original version no such thing as interval tome or cape existed. If game was updated and new stuff came there is a posibility they are displayed in database as well.
Well.. I am not sure how you can know if something was not present in the game way back when. I mean, how do you know whether or not they were there but no one understood how to get them? However, when you are reading pwdatabase, the presence of an entry does not tell you that its in the game -- instead, the presence of a recipe or a quest on that entry that is possible tells you that its in the game (level 150 quests are impossible, and recipes with no place to use them are impossible, for example).0 -
TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »Bows generally have the best weapons with best stats, thats why archers use them: Rank8, Nirvana with purge, Rank9, Heaven Shatter etc.
Kinda depends what you want it for.
PvP-wise, I'd agree that purge is probably the best skill on a weapon for an archer...
But check this build out b:dirty
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=189c148debe3779e
Just imagine the range DPS from an archer with this b:dirtyb:dirty
Granted, you'd need a load of money for raptures to keep recasting till you get the interval, but still... 1.18 atk speed... 1.56 sparked, and you can't see it here, but with demon quickshot, it'd break 1.6 aps >_<
Plus, the damage is not your typical slingshot damage. It has, not even, 200 less max damage and basically the same amount more min damage than rank 8.0 -
Kaste - Sanctuary wrote: »Crossbow: Slow, high damage
Sling: quick, lowest damage
Bow: the thing in between
So choose after your playstyle. I would go with whatever weapon you get, until you can get this. Any quest reward will do. Else look for 3* out of AH.
Edit: Ninja'd Q.Q
Sling shot have inferior DPS in general compared to bow and crossbow. Where xbow have 0.62 APS, bow have 0.67 APS and 0.71 APS with slingshot. Is that even noticable APS? Besides, the ammo for bow for extra critical rate and the xbow for raw DMG, All of them are slow.
If DS was not bugged from channeling, it might have been more useful to lower the channeling on skills like that. Otherwise its not worth it.
Edited... P.S: Bow for 1% more crit or xbow for more DMG actually.I, II and III spark is the most cheesiest skill in PWI and it should be removed or massively nerfed.
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