What is so wrong with oracle quests?

You can do hundreds of oracles a day if you want, leveling really fast while doing basically nothing.

Crazy stone is only available once a day, can't get to level 100 on crazy stone alone, but if you really wanted to (and spent a buttload of money, which is why people usually talk smack about oracle nubs) you could stand in one spot, alone, for weeks straight and get to level 100 just killing wicked pirates.....

Oracle nubs ftw!

also crazy stones is only a daily to help,its not even worth doing anymore at a higher level since the cost of the stones outweigh the exp you get from it, and you can spam oracles for hours on end..

ehh not really, you can still max out or nearly max out your main skills, since youd frost and doing culti gives a fair amount of spirit..i think its mainly just having no clue on how the game works or about the classes which is the problem.

Umbrotalaris - Archosaur wrote: »

Wait I think I get it, you may be able to level up fast but your skills won't be high leveled because they don't give enough spirit?

I just checked and the crazy stone does give more spirit than oracle.

Went right over your head didnt it buddy? b:laugh

I think exp/spirit is always the same proportions tho. They dont mean lvling skillz, they mean knowing how to use those skills they lvld.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

No it's because it players get to 90+ without learning to play their class.


But no one cares because oracles are old news, real men who power lvl without learning to play their class use hypers.

thats exactly what was said

Umbrotalaris - Archosaur wrote: »

Shouldn't by level 30 or 40 that person should have a pretty good idea on how their class works and the role that their class plays in?

KInda but no. How you play changes as the game progresses and need to adapt.

Umbrotalaris - Archosaur wrote: »

How can someone not know how the game works?

By level 30, or 20 even that person should know all there is to know about how to play the game right? Like how to attack, how to use skills, how to learn skills, how to teach more skills to genie, how to buy and sell, etc?

Oh boy, you still have a lot to learn about the game.

classes in this game arent hard at all to figure out

some ppl have this attitude toward oracles cuz like me they had lvld their original toon w/o oracles and it took quite a bit longer

but i also saw the same proportion of noobs to people who know how to play their class from then as i do now, u just see a lot more ppl at 100 so it "appears" to be larger

grinding on tens of thousands of quest mobs or 600 pirates are gonna teach u nothing about playing ur class

u wont learn how to play ur class by 30 cuz ur missing a whole ton of skills to use like 39 49 59 79.... just figure out what ur skills do and where they best fit which is something u learn along the way whether u oracle or not

Umbrotalaris - Archosaur wrote: »

Be glad I am asking this before I actually spammed oracles.

Well, the game isn't just about to know how to use skills etc, but also when to use them, how to work with squads and learn your roll in it and different instances. This is what most people mean by "learn how to play your class".

No, nothing wrong with oracles, somewhat, since its not as pampering as BH/FF/hypers/classic PLVL style.

Oracles are branded as last 2 years.

Besides, I have done oracles from mob drops, and authentic work and scrolls. I find excessive exp giving items (those should be removed) like nien packs, or sort if I am correct. People can level easily by those.

To be honest, as much as I would discourage to use of oracles for a newcomer. And not advise them to go from 30 to 100 in a week. I still say that the whole "OMG LOL ORACLENOOOB" thing is kind of...stupid.

This game has very little aspects in terms of "learning", at most you'll have to learn proper mob/group control, how to time your skills/debuffs/amplification skills etc.

I have played my friend's archer on DW for a while, a long time ago. He was 100 long before my own archer was even made. I didn't know jack about the class, I learned everything I could possibly need for any "end-game" instance within a week. I've never touched an archer before, mind you.

I've done the same with a venomancer whom I played at level 9x, learned the ins and outs of it in less than 3 days. But then again, venomancer is a ridiculously easy to play class.

My point is, if you want to level quickly using oracles/hypers. Go for it, you can easily learn the "how to-s" on your class afterward, if you insist on leveling fast anyway.
This game is really not that hard at all to understand and there's very little to it that can't be comprehended by a 12 year old and then executed by said 12 year old as instructed.

Umbrotalaris - Archosaur wrote: »

as long as you know how to use your skills the right way you will be fine no matter what method you use to level up



right?

^This . No one cares until you make yourself look like a total noob. Take the time to learn your class and skill and no one will even know.

One of the main issues I see with oracles are not just that people don't learn how to use their skills properly, but they don't learn to work with people well. Well you spend all your levels, just soloing the same mobs over and over again...you don't learn how to use your skills to the best benefit of a group, and when you try to do things, like an instance, with other people, you'll have no idea what you're doing, or what the other people can do along with you.

Working well in a squad is not just knowing how to use your own skills effectively, but what other classes' skills are and how to use them with yours as well.

Fist_Mama - Harshlands wrote: »

people really make a big deal over oracle noobs idk why, im a great bm(ive been told so by many) and it just really erks me that people automatically assume if you did oracles you suck at your class. i oracled and people act suprised when i tell them that. its a terrible sterotype unfornetly but it wount go away because thats human nature.

and thats good as, but its more the people who dont listen who are annoying. honestly, i love the fact if i want to make a cleric i can zoom my way to 70-80 and skip the boring stuff.

Okay, I'll weigh in on this one, if only to exercise my freshly unbroken hand a bit. First, I have done nothing in the way of speed-leveling. I do CS, BH, WQ and use whatever drops I get through normal play. I consider myself knowledgeable about my class and research some things in advance. I have dumped my xp to my genie to level skills without leveling character. I buy zen and have "purchased" advantages to enhance my enjoyment of play. Spurs and widgets, teleport stones, guardian angels. I have socketed and refined things on my own dime. Many would consider me a cheater. I will be speed leveling this character pretty soon because this part has been pretty boring anyway. Pick something, kill a couple hundred over a few questlines using the same macro you figure out from the first dozen or so mobs then on to the next thing. Fine. But, to me, the endgame is really THE game. You spend the first hundred or so levels in school. When you get to the top of the heap is when you become an "adult" and go traipsing around the world slaying some beasts, plundering some booty, and getting in more than a few barfights all the while aiding many in their time of need. That's where the real fun begins in my mind. I'm not there yet but I'm playing MY game. I would say if you're enjoying yourself, you are not getting kicked from squads and are capable of completing most of the quests at level all by your little self then nothing else should matter really. It's your time, it's your money, it's your life. Play YOUR game. If you're not having fun, you're doing it wrong.