Wizards and Psychics

Omgggggggg. I so call bullsht at Proski. Yeah, you have R8 +7 weapon and you hit R9ers archers for 20k crit? RIGHT BUDDY. I'm sure not even Bixnood hits R9ers archers for 20k lol (non crit, well maybe he does actually, but you don't). Get real man. I have a +10 R8 soulsphere, and my magic attack is ~12k-16k, and most of the Wizards I meet have about only a little more. So unless you have like 575 mag, you don't hit that hard.

I've seen many, many, many R8ers wizards and they have ROUGHLY the same magic attack as me, 1k give or take (with same refines, of course). Which, again, ISN'T that big a deal.

Have you even seen a R9 Psychic? Rofl.

ps : I'm not saying Psychics rule Wizards or anything, to be honest that debate is beyond moronic, but you need to stop pretending like Psychics are wimpy versions of Wizards, where the damage difference really isn't that big. Wizards are extremely cool for many skills, mainly Stone Barrier, their blink and let's say Undine Strike.

Psychics are cool for other reasons, they're trickier to fight because of their Souls, and they have an effect attached to nearly all of their skills, and of course they cast faster. They're just more squishy.

Anyway, lol.

ps2 : Red Tide is such a crappy skill lol. No one should ever level it.

Fair enough forgot about the spark thing. Still you're a moron tho. I've seen R9ers Wizards' magic attack, and it's like 18k-20k. So you know, still, get real.

Haden - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Comparing a psy to a wiz is like comparing a minigun to a sniper rifle. Wizzys hit slightly harder and have more suppression skills but channel slower and have more balance due to having 3 elements to pull from. Psys cast faster, and their white voodoo functions closely to how wizzy shields do also; Psy's posess counter-attack skills.


Psy's typically can burn through their mana faster than a wizard, but fling spells as fast as an archer can shoot. While a wizard will burn through their chi at an inprecidented rate compared to other caster classes.

.. uhmm no

Risingson - Lost City wrote: »

Fair enough forgot about the spark thing. Still you're a moron tho. I've seen R9ers Wizards' magic attack, and it's like 18k-20k. So you know, still, get real.

R9 wiz wep +12:
2250-2534

R8 wiz wep +12:
2187-2456
Add in the 130 max dmg from ads:
2187-2586

As you can see, r8 has more max dmg and only slightly lower min dmg.
R9 gets its massive dmg boost because of the adds it gets.
+10 atk lvl for 3 pieces, +20 atk lvl for 6 pieces, +30 atk lvl from weapon...
Etc.

Stop being so ignorant and trying to make arguments based solely on the damage a class gets from it's weapon please, that is not the discussion at hand.

No class will ever replace any other class.
Well, except on my server, it seems every single PKer got replaced by a sin because they're all so terrible and want to be competent at PvP.

Risingson - Lost City wrote: »

....I hardly based all of my argument solely on the weapon. I think it's common sense that I would be talking about full R9ers Wizards. Although I could have clarified that, true.

Also, as you do have a point for the weapon, it still doesn't explain the imaginary damage Proski came up with. The difference between a +7 weapon and a +12 weapon is QUITE SIGNIFICANT.

*facepalm*

Proski - Archosaur wrote: »

to the rest of your post, you're an idiot and i'm too tired to confront straw men b:bye

kknboy wrote: »

Looking at your links thanos it says that
Psychic rank 8:
Attack Speed 0.91
Attack Range 2.5
Physical attack 798-976
Magical attack 1070-1448

Wiz rank 8:
ttack Speed 1.25
Attack Range 3
Physical attack 663-995
Magical attack 1212-1481

Wizard has higher minimum and max damage. If we factor in the addons they have same critcal rate added, but psychic has +308 max damage while wizards have +130 max damage and +15 magic. Im not really sure if +15 magic is better or worse than +178 max magic damage.

Proski - Archosaur wrote: »

142 weapon damage difference on the minimum.. which is huge. also +15 magic which also applies to the minimalist and maximum damage you can hit for. max is overrated when your min is that low. take your lesser chance to crit to another set of numbers and you have an even lesser chance to crit on your high end damage. bids will crit way more often and on way more people in the aoe giving the wizard the much higher chance to hit for a lot harder average.

now look at g15 nirvana wand: 1316-1342

vs

1033-1397

you picked buddas leaf for a wiz to compare lunars... b:laugh

we are talking about weapon damage.
weapon damage is not affected by mag points; mag points affect base magic damage.
in the end, you will hit for the average of min-max.

also, i didnt say that all psychics weapons have higher damage than the equivalent wizzie weapons. i only need one weapon with higher dmg. and r8 is by far the most commonb:cute

Ruxal - Harshlands wrote: »

Psychics are nice but then I look at my skill bar and see essential sutra and I say to myself what a wonderful world....oh yeaaaaah.

Don't forget undine b:victory

I hit comparable damage to comparable wizzies (I'm R8, talking about R8 wizards), but no, I cannot hit in half physical damage. I can, however, soulburn, aoe stun, aoe immobilize, aoe purify, boost my defense level massively, psy will, tide spirit... all while hitting faster.
To each their own.

And we can triple spark our ultis too. b:surrender

Note on the formula: Wizards get 100% more weapon damage, Psy gets more elemental damage. Until weapon damage is equal to that difference, essentially the same formula.

Risingson - Lost City wrote: »

....I hardly based all of my argument solely on the weapon. I think it's common sense that I would be talking about full R9ers Wizards. Although I could have clarified that, true.

Also, as you do have a point for the weapon, it still doesn't explain the imaginary damage Proski came up with. The difference between a +7 weapon and a +12 weapon is QUITE SIGNIFICANT.

why and how did u get to lvl 100 again?

Yes, that is unfortunately very true. PWI is exceptionally biased toward APS melee classes. None of us casters are really considered DD's anymore.

Psy or wiz: maybe 15k per second (dmg output)

Sin: maybe 80k per second

I'm pulling these numbers out of the air, but the point is that APS is *MUCH* greater damage output than a casting class can possibly achieve.

77 psychic and 59 wiz here...

Wizards are late bloomers. Psychics are strong from lvl1, psy is also a major crowd control class, something wizard doesn't excel at well. That being said, you need patience with using a wiz, you'll get strong, just not right away. Overall though wizards ARE stronger, mostly because the weapon damage formula is higher.

Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »

good psychics will never use tide spirit nor red tide because they need the chi for earth vector/psychics will...

also did any wiz pull up a tripple ultimate combo till now?

you mean more than 2 times in a TW? yeah, sure. Helps having a veno around for a spark or some chi pots.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

and then they look down and see Tide Spirit (sutra on roids) and then laugh at us.

0.6s chan and 1.6s cast versus insta cast, hmmmmm, yeah ok, the joke is?

Risingson - Lost City wrote: »

....The joke is while the skill itself still requires casting time and what not, it requires very little of it, and then you insta-cast all the following spells WITH 100% extra weapon damage for 15 seconds (although the channelling thing only lasts for 6 seconds, 15 seconds of 100% extra weapon damage is just NEAT).

I don know about you but in pk I'll take my insta cast sutra over your 2.2 sec tide ANYday.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »

me too. but wait, we dont even have long chan anyway...now if it was cast...

but we have essensial sutra. look at the skill treeb:avoid fail name?b:laugh

No your skills channel very quickly, though I have shown with my own char that gush/pyro using -chan gear and dquaff makes me fater than psychics spamming aqua impact/spirit blast. That is because as I close the chan gap your cast time on those 2 skills makes it longer.
Anyway thats a small point.

I wonder with all the minor localisations that we have had why they coulndt have that skill name changed.

All in all, versus classes/characters with low magic defense we can kill them quite quickly. Versus each other im more concerned with a psys reflects than it casting speed.