Wizards and Psychics

Just checking out Psy's skills, and looks like a lot of good ones that don't consume chi. Wizards don't have any good ones without chi cost (just Will of the Phoenix, and Hail Storm). Mage's strength in this game is for AoE, and all those chi requirements drag it down for me.

Nahh psy's got wiz all the way. Atleast to me.

Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:bye Clearly you've never been hit by a psy 100 skill. Same formula as level 10 BIDS + attack level = byebye.

actually, BIDS has +500% weapon attack while SS has 400%
lvl11 BIDS deals more water dmg too; but with black voodoo SS does pretty much the same dmg with BIDS lvl11

Wizzies:
+3x ultis
+undine
+whisper
+shrink
+earth shield
+force of will


Psychic:
+1x ulti
+Earth vector
+Psy will
+Black/White Voodoo
+Spammable control aoes
+more "tricky"/useful buffs
+aoe purify if sage

Psy till I Die!!b:victory




...... or till mystics come out b:laugh

Oh LOOK, it's THIS THREAD AGAIN.


Wizards hit harder.
Psychics hit faster.


Both can smoosh people.



Who cares which one's better? I thought we got over this in the Psychic forums a long, long time ago.

Nobody replaced anybody. Wizards, like Archers and Barbs, are some of the least played classes. Psychics fall under the EXACT same category.




Wizards, Psychics, no matter which one you pick, you will ALWAYS be overlooked for an APS Bm/Archer/Sin any damn day of the week.


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Demon: on average half of the AOEd targets will get the DoT of 4518 water damage. (If it's like Parasitic Nova, which has a % chance to seal and immobilize, the chance is calculated for each target separately.) Sage: on average a bit under a third of the AOEd targets will be immobilized.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Demon: on average half of the AOEd targets will get the DoT of 4518 water damage. (If it's like Parasitic Nova, which has a % chance to seal and immobilize, the chance is calculated for each target separately.) Sage: on average a bit under a third of the AOEd targets will be immobilized.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »

this. i have the sage version and even mobs that i dont "target" get frozen because they are hit.

the slow has a 92% chance to proc

Thanks a lot both!

This is Valrain again.

I can do my mini-ultimate (red tide) pretty frequently because I build up chi so much faster than my wizard.

My base skills, with black voodoo on, build chi fast and actually do more damage than wizard pyro/gush.

I have self-buffs like Soul of Retaliation that protect me from stuns / bleeds.

I have a self-purify until 99, at which time it becomes an AoE purify / heal.

The rank 8 weapon does quite a bit more damage.

My soul skills, like Soulburn or Soul of Vengeance, do a lot more damage based on my level and weapon refines.

APS is still pure **** when compared to an APS class (archer/BM/sin/fist barb) but at least I can survive more than 3 seconds in PK. b:chuckle

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6320/wizardpsy.png
u guys are talking about a 1 minute long cool down skill. normally, like the SS above, its 12m vs 6m which is a joke, but okay in this case when stonesmasher or whatever its called has 10m still consider this:

when everybody talks about where dmg is being drawn from they seem to forget wiz weapons have higher damage so you cant start them from the same place. therefore the more amps = the greater difference in favor of a wiz because that extra 100% on bids + 30% extra dmg from undine (which affects their first line of defense by -60% resistances - attack level can be negated with backdoor sharding and certain gear) will go a lot further + +50% chance to +30% crit +casting while standing up tall with +120 or +150% extra pdef (not to mention 30 second cooldown ult with the ability to use it in a sutra sequence) vs. +22 attack level/-11 def level + what is it? reduce targets attack speed?.... lol, how is there even any debate. sure psychics are more practical in your average fighting, but isn't this about the glory moments? get out of here nothing will EVER replace a wizard.

+12 full rank9 psychic here cant hit robes on average as hard as a +6-7 rank8 wiz (granted for 1 skill, but still thats all you need for the scenarios that anyone ever argued wizzies were preferred over in). the ability to hit half physical with BT is something that evades most psychics in this discussion and its priceless in TW when there are so many LA and ROBES being the factors nowadays. talking strictly magic damage is meh

i'm not saying a rank9 psychic isn't extremely OP in some cases in pk and TW (1v1s or 1vs smaller groups), but when considering your average end game psychics and wizards (rank8s couple pieces of event gear average refines not all g11 sharding), which is what this discussion should focus on, what people should want a wizard for over a psychic will always be those minute-delaying-or-saving TW changing ultis. i want psychics like i want my archers doing their flank controlling momentum gaining pushes in TW's because their so dominant there. but when the other sides factors are winning the fight? i know theres only one class I can rely on to be the opportunist and truly change that

i think people just forget that wizards are supposed to die for the greater good, psychics were meant to work a little bit longer like an archer. ill take both an archer and psychic in pk 90% of the time, but neither of them can compete for that grudge kill on any cash shopper when you ninja them. sage spark in teh air -> cloud eruption in the air -> take flower off -> sutra as you are about to land-> chi pot -> sage divine pyro -> sage pyro -> sage blade temptest

or just a straight sage spark -> cloud eruption -> zooming thunder power orb -> blade temptest before anybody can even react.

with a +7 rank8, about 12600 min magic attack unbuffed i'm hititing full rank9 archers for just under 20k crits, full rank9 sins for about the same, and robes for either less or more depending on their gear and class

Looking at your links thanos it says that
Psychic rank 8:
Attack Speed 0.91
Attack Range 2.5
Physical attack 798-976
Magical attack 1070-1448

Wiz rank 8:
ttack Speed 1.25
Attack Range 3
Physical attack 663-995
Magical attack 1212-1481

Wizard has higher minimum and max damage. If we factor in the addons they have same critcal rate added, but psychic has +308 max damage while wizards have +130 max damage and +15 magic. Im not really sure if +15 magic is better or worse than +178 max magic damage.

people only like psychics more than wizards, cause both are magic DDs, but psychics can shoot faster than wizards. it's that simple. if you quicken up a wizard's cast times, more people would play a wizard. if you slow down a psychic's cast times, less people would play a psychic. both have damage dealing capabilities that are very close to the other's, but if one can shoot faster, it'll get hit even less often, and people will play it more.

EDIT: and ofcorse, psychics are tricksters, they got some sick buffs and debuffs. ofcorse inplace of more buffs/debuffs, wizards have more DDing skills. so which do you prefer, a heavy damage dealer, or a DD that can mess with people's minds?

they're pretty even... wizard is better at kiting when melee runs in psychic just stands there and uses the physical immune buff instead... Psychics hit for less than wizards but also channel faster and have more variety when it comes to AOE.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

Lyth has a point, wizards are epic at kiting.

In my honest opinion, we are, by far, the best kiting class in the whole game.

Also might be worth mentioning that blink makes us more mobile than just about any class when it comes to flying PvP

I don't really disagree with you per say, but a few things I'd like to point out. Sins imo are the best at kiting with tidal (and 2 teleports).. and their own personal safezone wherever they go. BMs actually can almost match our DS with their leaps. They have a 6 second cooldown and go 16m (forward or back) which can keep up with us pretty well. And as for the advantage of DS in the air.. I think air mount acceleration can make it go either way.

So if you were trying to catch up to someone running away for instance, you blink and then need to accelerate up to speed again, with sage DS I probably only gain ~5 meters (if that) of distance over someone just flying straight. I've never tried this with accelerate, but I'd guess we'd actually lose distance using shrink. On the other hand if you had a bm up in your face, you could shrink to gain some distance and then the bm has to accelerate up to speed to start chasing you again.. where DS would really provide a nice advantage.