Attack Cleric.....Demon or Sage?
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Please keep on topic guy some ppl want this info to decide wich path suits him more,,,,,,
Im making a full attack cleric, im leaning to sage path due to the chi gain skill istn that important on both pvp and pve?
I have a 100 demon wiz and on pvp i so much regret i didnt went sage i always run out of chi,,,,,
And since i go pure i will not have much hp so sage spark could save me from some aoes on pve......0 -
If I squadded a cleric that had no buffs or res, I'd make sure to blacklist and let my friends and guild know to avoid that cleric.
Demon for pvp. My cleric is sage because she's only for healing my BM.0 -
By the way, I saw that you said demon revive doesn't help you at all... But I'm sure a lot of clerics out there have been trying to save a squad wipe and died ressing.
Also, since I got demon revive dungeons are a lot easier. Say I'm in 3-3 and the squishy sin takes aggro and dies, and the tank is getting hit a bit hard. I don't have to worry about the tank dying while I res the sin so he gets the kill. (Just an example, don't bite my head off)
I can't res myself of course, but it's not like anyone can. It's a ton more helpful than most think. And I didn't pay 20mil for it, I paid 5mil for tokens and got it in a book.
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if your an attack cleric id say go demon for demon buffs as they give chi and demon spirits gift gives more mattack0
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If you ask which cleric would do more damage, answer is sage.
As for pvp its pretty balanced i'd say. Sage gets better seals and plume shot/shell and heals. Demon better cyclone, revive and spirits gift. While demon may do more damage, sage is getting chi way easier.0 -
I feel really bad for whatever squads SinfulGuise gets into. Someone who should have rolled a psychic or wizard and rolled a cleric instead. Many squads are going to wind up disappointed, pissed off, or are going to laugh when they ask for a DD and a cleric pm's them.0
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I chose Demon cause their skills are good on PvP and PvE overall. the only downside is not having the chi skill Sage does...
Also, why all this fuzz 'bout the 'full atk' & 'full support' cleric?
Don't you know a well balanced cleric can be an awesome healer and a kick-**** PvP-er?. So stop QQin' 'bout skills and stuff and focus on your build instead, Jeez b:angrySliding we go, only fear on our side. To the edge of the wire and we rush with the tide.
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Frijolero - Sanctuary wrote: »Also, why all this fuzz 'bout the 'full atk' & 'full support' cleric?
Don't you know a well balanced cleric can be an awesome healer and a kick-**** PvP-er. So stop QQin' 'bout skills and stuff and focus on you build instead, Jeez b:angry
Agree with this ^
You know Yudai, Sin. He's an amazing cleric and if he wanted to PvP more, I firmly believe he'd be pretty damn good at it (he's also demon).
I think a lot of people have presented a lot of good points, both in regards to doing another class and/or trying to help more in squads...Though, I guess if you plan on not being in squads with other people and letting your veno do all the work for you...*shrugs* Just seems kinda boring/lonely that way.Katzyn, level 101 Demon Veno
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It IS on topic.ThaMedic - Lost City wrote: »Please keep on topic guy some ppl want this info to decide wich path suits him more,,,,,,
Im making a full attack cleric, im leaning to sage path due to the chi gain skill istn that important on both pvp and pve?
I have a 100 demon wiz and on pvp i so much regret i didnt went sage i always run out of chi,,,,,
And since i go pure i will not have much hp so sage spark could save me from some aoes on pve......
What do you think the first generation of sage/demon clerics relied on to choose their path? GMs? No, they relied on their OWN experience, based on their OWN different interactions with pple and their OWN incidents which shaped how they thought about each skill.
You need to first live your life as a cleric till higher levels to actually know the difference on how each demon/sage skill affects YOU, not how it affected others. The extent of your skill and play style will also affect how YOU value each demon/sage skill. Until then, its hard to differentiate what opinions are actually good, and what opinions are actually a retardo answer.
well unless you never intend to heal pple i guess in pve where they have aoe's worth sparking for, then i already see an inexperienced decision... If your not facing a boss or mob that gives you a few second warning like the nirvana 'RUN!' boss, then 90% of the time you wont get that spark off. Just cause the IH casts get in the way.And since i go pure i will not have much hp so sage spark could save me from some aoes on pve......
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Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »It IS on topic.
What do you think the first generation of sage/demon clerics relied on to choose their path? GMs? No, they relied on their OWN experience, based on their OWN different interactions with pple and their OWN incidents which shaped how they thought about each skill.
You need to first live your life as a cleric till higher levels to actually know the difference on how each demon/sage skill affects YOU, not how it affected others. The extent of your skill and play style will also affect how YOU value each demon/sage skill. Until then, its hard to differentiate what opinions are actually good, and what opinions are actually a retardo answer.
well unless you never intend to heal pple i guess in pve where they have aoe's worth sparking for, then i already see an inexperienced decision... If your not facing a boss or mob that gives you a few second warning like the nirvana 'RUN!' boss, then 90% of the time you wont get that spark off. Just cause the IH casts get in the way.
Please dont call me inexperiecedb:angry
On my sin at 89 i still didnt knew what path to go and this forums exist for ppl leanr from mistakes from others....
Anyway i was talking more frost like, since im gonna spend my clerics life there, on my 3 lvls 100 chars i saw many clerics crashing on bosses aoes, so sage saprk could help there.....
And again frost wise i belive that chi skill could be realyl usefull for a sage and fast run....
Has for pvp well i got a demon wizard and was the worst thing i did, due to the lack of chi i died too many times, i just want to know if clerics are similar on this point...0 -
i meant inexperience class wise.Must - Lost City wrote: »Please dont call me inexperiecedb:angry
I have a lv80 barb. I would say i am inexperienced compared to you because i have not learned the full potential and problems of a barb yet.
You saw them die without sparking because clerics usually spam ironheart and also expected to spam it. When we see the bosses aoe, its not that we cant avoid it because of sage/demon spark/skill. Its because the game wont let us stop mid-casting.Anyway i was talking more frost like, since im gonna spend my clerics life there, on my 3 lvls 100 chars i saw many clerics crashing on bosses aoes, so sage saprk could help there.....
And again frost wise i belive that chi skill could be realyl usefull for a sage and fast run....
Has for pvp well i got a demon wizard and was the worst thing i did, due to the lack of chi i died too many times, i just want to know if clerics are similar on this point...
ex) experiment with 3 pple.
Have (BM) Mr.A and 1 other class Mr.B fight (same strength) Have them use no weapons for slow kill.
Cleric must heal Mr.B constantly with IH and pretend he is fighting a strong boss.
Have (BM) Mr.A heavenfire suddenly (like a boss aoe)
See who has time to spark
Most useful for 50 mobs trailing and killing in FCC so far for me seem to have been the sage plume shell (Sage version always absorbs 85% of physical damage.)
Other than that, try use magic/physical defense charms on boss. (-50% phys/mag dmg)[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]lagunal8.deviantart.com
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Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »i meant inexperience class wise.
I have a lv80 barb. I would say i am inexperienced compared to you because i have not learned the full potential and problems of a barb yet.
You saw them die without sparking because clerics usually spam ironheart and also expected to spam it. When we see the bosses aoe, its not that we cant avoid it because of sage/demon spark/skill. Its because the game wont let us stop mid-casting.
ex) experiment with 3 pple.
Have (BM) Mr.A and 1 other class Mr.B fight (same strength) Have them use no weapons for slow kill.
Cleric must heal Mr.B constantly with IH and pretend he is fighting a strong boss.
Have (BM) Mr.A heavenfire suddenly (like a boss aoe)
See who has time to spark
Anyway two things that makes me wanna go sage.
All my 3 chars are demon so im sage will be diferent for a change.
Chi skill will make me save a lot of mana pots during time on quest/fb/frost whatever..
The rest i really dont know but the less i spend the better...0 -
ThanksBalthier - Dreamweaver wrote: »To the OP, you open a thread in the cleric section, asking about opinions on whether you should go demon or sage. People are giving you their thoughts, and suggestions about you rolling a wizard instead isn't out of place, seeing what you wish to do with your cleric.
You then tell people to shut it, and if they don't like your plans, to go away (being really bitchy about it too..).
Kindly don't open a thread if you are unable to hande a discussion. And I agree with most here, demon is usually better for an attack-minded/pk cleric. You know what would be even better for you though, since you wont be healing others at all? A wizard!
(Oh, and to Rose; don't forget to add that even though Stream has a longer channeling time than vanguard, the +phy resistance boost is only an add-on to an extremely useful heal. Where as Sage vanguard doesn't really do anything at all other than that +phy resistance boost. Just pointing it out, since it felt a little biased from you. I would take Stream over Vanguard any day of the week, and at end-game you will atleast have -30 till -42% chan, making Stream a pretty fast cast anyway (10k HP healed in 1.5 seconds anyone o.O). I am demon though, so I am biased the other way of course b:chuckle).
Not directed to you.
I wouldn't underestimate a sage Cleric in a bh as well as pking.Don't forget what sage revive does.It seems like the OP has good family to get him/her through the game.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0 -
Must - Lost City wrote: »Please dont call me inexperiecedb:angry
On my sin at 89 i still didnt knew what path to go and this forums exist for ppl leanr from mistakes from others....
Anyway i was talking more frost like, since im gonna spend my clerics life there, on my 3 lvls 100 chars i saw many clerics crashing on bosses aoes, so sage saprk could help there.....
And again frost wise i belive that chi skill could be realyl usefull for a sage and fast run....
Has for pvp well i got a demon wizard and was the worst thing i did, due to the lack of chi i died too many times, i just want to know if clerics are similar on this point...
If a level 89 cleric still dies from aoes in FC, he just sucks. b:chuckle0 -
While Sage clerics get more chi, Demon clerics consume less chi. No chi cost for Demon Purify, half chi cost for Demon Plume Shell. If you still need chi for BB or something pop Cloud Eruption...That pretty much answers it for PvE chi needs. As for PvP, I don't think clerics are as chi dependent as wizards or BMs. Just my opinion though...every class can claim to "need moar chi", but there are some classes that absolutely shouldn't fight without at least a spark or two, and I don't think cleric falls into that category. Clerics don't need to stun lock someone or seal-nuke-shrink-sleep-2 spark or whatever other **** the human classes do. Their chi skills are more defensive, less costly, and I assert that if a cleric can out last an opponent's (assuming equal quality gear) chi bar, the cleric wins.
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Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »While Sage clerics get more chi, Demon clerics consume less chi. No chi cost for Demon Purify, half chi cost for Demon Plume Shell. If you still need chi for BB or something pop Cloud Eruption...That pretty much answers it for PvE chi needs. As for PvP, I don't think clerics are as chi dependent as wizards or BMs. Just my opinion though...every class can claim to "need moar chi", but there are some classes that absolutely shouldn't fight without at least a spark or two, and I don't think cleric falls into that category. Clerics don't need to stun lock someone or seal-nuke-shrink-sleep-2 spark or whatever other **** the human classes do. Their chi skills are more defensive, less costly, and I assert that if a cleric can out last an opponent's (assuming equal quality gear) chi bar, the cleric wins.
TL;DR clerics don't need chi as badly as wizards do.
Nice point, the only thing you are forgeting is that skilll books are not for free while chis skill isb:bye
If a level 89 cleric still dies from aoes in FC, he just sucks. bishop boss, **** spwans near cleric spank him a little aoe from boss dead ive see this happen...0 -
Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »While Sage clerics get more chi, Demon clerics consume less chi. No chi cost for Demon Purify, half chi cost for Demon Plume Shell. If you still need chi for BB or something pop Cloud Eruption...That pretty much answers it for PvE chi needs. As for PvP, I don't think clerics are as chi dependent as wizards or BMs. Just my opinion though...every class can claim to "need moar chi", but there are some classes that absolutely shouldn't fight without at least a spark or two, and I don't think cleric falls into that category. Clerics don't need to stun lock someone or seal-nuke-shrink-sleep-2 spark or whatever other **** the human classes do. Their chi skills are more defensive, less costly, and I assert that if a cleric can out last an opponent's (assuming equal quality gear) chi bar, the cleric wins.
TL;DR clerics don't need chi as badly as wizards do.
Nice point, the only thing you are forgeting is that skilll books are not for free while chi skill is.. b:bye
If a level 89 cleric still dies from aoes in FC, he just sucks. bishop boss, bishop spwans near cleric spank him a little aoe from boss dead ive see this happen...0 -
That is good thing to think about but don't forget sage revive as well as chromatic healing beam as well as few other skills like buffs.Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »While Sage clerics get more chi, Demon clerics consume less chi. No chi cost for Demon Purify, half chi cost for Demon Plume Shell. If you still need chi for BB or something pop Cloud Eruption...That pretty much answers it for PvE chi needs. As for PvP, I don't think clerics are as chi dependent as wizards or BMs. Just my opinion though...every class can claim to "need moar chi", but there are some classes that absolutely shouldn't fight without at least a spark or two, and I don't think cleric falls into that category. Clerics don't need to stun lock someone or seal-nuke-shrink-sleep-2 spark or whatever other **** the human classes do. Their chi skills are more defensive, less costly, and I assert that if a cleric can out last an opponent's (assuming equal quality gear) chi bar, the cleric wins.
TL;DR clerics don't need chi as badly as wizards do.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0 -
i like clerics but i hate being a "stand by and let someone else fight"b:embarrass guy0
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going back to the topic... to your new cleric... if you like pk so much... why are you in sanctuary? sanctuary is a pve server...
o.o you should make a cleric in harshlands or lost city or something... it'd be awesome.
and if you are gonna be a pure "attack" cleric... wait to be squad wiped... cos no matter how tough you are, with noone else in squad alive, you can't DD all you want... ._. just sayin.
adequete amount of healing is always needed
unfortunately.
as for going demon, good luck with that... o.o
i'm a sage and i love it... but that's just different personal preferences, XD0
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