PWI's current state

Kinjeto - Raging Tide wrote: »

You are very lucky you're getting the Genesis addon so-quick cause, I am betting PW MY won't get it for another 8 months. In many ways your lucky your even getting new classes, which means new players and continued GM support and no gold bots.

I am very lucky that my teapot keeps tea warm.
PWI is owned by PWE which is a subsidary of PW-Beijing. It is the front for english translated version of games from PW Beijing. It is the same company which is NOT related with PW-MY.

We're not lucky to be getting classes here. We're suppose to get them. Delaying in getting them sooner is only because of lack of communication between developers in china and PWE.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

did i translate it right? b:puzzled

now, do you gonna write back something witty or you got the message finally?

Well actually no you didn't translate it right but when has being wrong and/or asinine ever stopped you anyways? We have all the walking forum sig memes who at least don't pretend they're smart, then we have one who thinks he is, and desperately tries to stand out from that crowd but alas.. b:cry

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well actually no you didn't translate it right but when has being wrong and/or asinine ever stopped you anyways? We have all the walking forum sig memes who at least don't pretend they're smart, then we have one who thinks he is, and desperately tries to stand out from that crowd but alas.. b:cry

aww i forgot, that you dont get stuff, if it isnt told bluntly.

special version for you: noone cares what do you think, about other people.

now, kindy stop trolling and add something with substance to topic or go away.


and my low inteligence was still enough, to troll you few times like angry child b:chuckle

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hello there carebear. Come follow me around the forums a bit moar.

....And considering you're both from PvE servers, you're BOTH carebears.


It's completely unreasonable to stop the "Nerdragers" from complaining, or being angry. Hell, they have a good reason to be, as do most people; we've been shafted for the past 15 months now. It's also completely idiotic that you QQ over people QQing Janus...it honestly does no good for your reputation. (See, Para doesn't have a shared signature with both tweakz and Yulk, now does he?) It's pretty obvious you're attracting the majority of the trolls, not the other way around.

BACK on topic, I agree with NiaJade...it's completely silly to ask for PWE to fix EVERYTHING about this game; it's impossible and improbable that it will ever happen. However, everybody knows there are glitches and bugs that honestly have been needing repairs, and I think we can all agree that the older classes need a revamp.

Personally on that last note, I don't see why they wouldn't...it would make the game MUCH more appealing to newer users to continue to balance out the classes. If you make one race too fancy, the population of the others drop. The only excuse I can think up of is that it take too much time. Hell, it's obvious they have the money since they can make a BRAND NEW GAME.

There are some things that they have fixed, like DQ points, and some issues with bots in instances...but it's honestly not helping bring down gold in the economy like Frankie claimed it would, nor is it HONESTLY helping bring in newer players (and it's surely not helping the older ones stay in most cases, example being the MASSIVE quitting back during the TW/TT 'fix').
I certainly wish there was some possible way we could make it clear to the developing team that this isn't working.

lindlau2 wrote: »

WTF i mean seriously WTF



Why u all wasting ur time and trying so desperately to reanimate this fail product of some evil chinese corporation if u hate it so much? move on... dont like chinesse tea? drink milk

LOL b:chuckle

"evil chinese corporation"

I'm still LOL

Happy_Killer - Harshlands wrote: »

BUT

Something happened somewhere along the line. JD and BOI totalled after PWE basically did the exact same thing there that they've been doing to us for the past 15 months.
They've been sucking the life out of the game, and it's rather distasteful.

If they wanted their business and their product to be even as HALF OF A QUARTER as good as it used to be, PWE would do what most BILLION dollar companies do: Ask and Listen.They've neglected to do either in the past, I don't know, three years or so?

No offense but they're a large company with teams of educated marketers, business analysts, and developers who gets paid to do what they do.

I find it highly ridiculous that forum "experts" such as yourself can claim to know what is better for their business than the aforementioned people.

Not saying that pwi business decisions are always 100% correct or anything, lots of companies make mistakes.

I am just pointing out that the people that make those business decisions are far more educated and experienced in this field of business than the likes of you, and if it came down to who to trust to make a better decision regarding business models and design I would trust PW rather than random forum "expert" guy.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

/paramedic vs. paramedic

well, trolling trolls is legal

(frankie should pay me for moderating his forums, really)


and you show how mature you are by calling people whiny kids

(omg janus vs janus!)

Happy_Killer - Harshlands wrote: »

.....I know trained monkeys who could scam people better and not be so obvious.
Did I say I was an "expert"? PLEASE, please tell me WHERE I said that.
In fact, did ANYBODY say they were experts? I'd love to see exactly where anybody said that.

Yeah. I thought so.

If a certain amount of people over a certain amount of time continue to tell other people that a company is slowly **** people over, you'd think some nobody random poster would take the time to shut up and listen before trying to defend said company.

So, are you saying that making the prizes for Territory War, one of the biggest money makers for PW because of charm expenses and what not, celestones and driving away basically everybody who wanted to TW away was an intelligent business call?

You sir/madam, need to examine whichever section of your brain is in charge of rational thinking: BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT an intelligent call. Quite the opposite, it was one of the most short-sighted and narrowminded things the company could have accomplished, right next to the Rank Sale before a major expansion.

Let's try another example for the slow people.

If a baker has been around for a long time, and people like him, he does his job well, and his food is good, but another baker comes across the street, does the first baker **** UP HIS JOB and stick his money in the other bakers pocket?
No.
The first baker TRIES TO IMPROVE things that have already been made, as well as try and create new dishes for people to enjoy, thus prolonging his reputation as the best baker on the street.

If you want to compete with another baker, you have to make sure people like YOUR product better than theirs. That's the issue I can't QUITE seem to understand why PWE doesn't get. If you want your MMO to be BETTER than everybody else's, you MAKE YOUR LITTLE PLAYER PEOPLE HAPPY FIRST.
The more positive review you get, the more people come to play your game. The more negative feedback you get, the more people tell you to go and stick your poorly managed game up your poorly managed ****.

It's honestly NOT that hard! Really! The only thing they're loosing if they listen to us is TIME. Executing the ideas will take money, yes but if they can ****** afford to make Forsaken World, what the HELL is their excuse for not fixing some of our old content and bugs?


Answer: None.

the point he made still stands; a market is a very complex system: if your ideas of what pwi should do to maximize their profits is correct why dont they do it? do u seriously believe that they are stupid?

Happy_Killer - Harshlands wrote: »

So you're saying that they WANT to be more obvious than a trained monkey in a tux trying to give crack junkies bags of baby powder?

He's saying they know something we don't.

The fact is, they don't have to keep the majority of players happy in an Free to Play MMO.

In a Pay to Play? Definitely, every player is money.

All PW needs is those 10-20 people per server who drop 10-20k on this game yearly (or more regularly b:shocked) to keep play.

The rest of us?

We can **** off for all they care.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

I know that they do listen, and will fix what they can.

I sent in a bug report regarding mobs spawning inside rocks, they couldn't get out, and there were only a handful of spawn points/mobs. The email was forwarded, and during the next update, the mob spawns were fixed, and that quest mob now spawns in the correct spot.

Server maintenance resets spawns on the map. Your problem was fixed because of the maintenance, not any actual coding changes.

Someone mentioned my sig. The rest of that tho is way tl;dr.

As a moderate cash shopper, this is the real issue I had with PWI:

tl;dr: I was happy to pay entertainment money before PWE became panhandlers. I freely gave before they became beggars. Now, with each new sale, they have become more desperate. If you want to understand why, read the rest of the post.


First, let me justify my happiness... for almost the first year of the game every expansion was an actual content expansion. They were bringing new content, and even up to the anniversary packs, there was a huge benefit you could gain by cash shopping, but PWI hadn't fully changed from being a service provider to full-on cash shop addiction empowerment abuser.

PWI was a somewhat well balanced game with a lot of future potential... one that I was willing to spend money to support. I've put in about $4k in the first year that I played here and have absolutely no objections or regrets about it. Then things changed. They changed into a company desperate for players while begging for more money.

Instead of a company that provided a great game with occasional sales and enjoying the nice revenue it gathered... Anniversary Packs were released and they saw a huge cash influx of which they had never seen before. This forever changed the mentality of PWE management as well as saw a large portion of the player base stop charging or just leaving the game.

No longer were they content with their slowly increasing player base and slowly increasing net profit, they saw the potential for huge profit spikes and abandoned the previous year's steady growth under controlled and conservative sales in favor of milking every last cent they could from the terminally rich or mentally unstable. This turned away a large segment of the player base.

They turned a company that had many loyal gamers who were willing to spend a decent amount of change for pure entertainment to one who preyed and counted on people's addictive and gambling disorders to fill the space. What they received was a small handful of people who would spend without limit due to compulsive and obsessive addictive behavior. But here's the flaw. Due to the the ridiculous sales prices, many of those people won't spend until the sales occur. So the sales now have to be even more unbalanced and more frequent to try to maintain their initial profit spike that they originally saw when packs were first released.

Unlike PW-CN who has a massive player base and active GM and Developer interaction to fine tune their game for their market, we're a completely different game and PWE mis-management has been completely abusing this segment of the gaming market here.

In reality, all of this also drove away a lot of people who would never pay money on this game... in effect, this has made the population much smaller and has pushed away a large base of potential light and moderate cash shoppers from the game. This in combination with the company's addiction to profit spikes and abusing the handful of people who are willing to sell internal organs to pay for their addiction pushes PWE to go even further. This is a vicious circle that has compounded since it started and has resulted in more cash shoppers with fewer people playing the game...

I'll stop here as observations to how the game itself has dramatically changed has already been made by numerous people, including myself, in numerous threads. And, quite frankly, the post would be 2x this size if I were to change topics.

Many of even the older player base are oblivious to all of this... certainly if you haven't been playing this game for more than a year, you are too.

FWIW, I've tried to stay away from what I mentioned in the OP's quoted part. The extreme mis-management of PWI isn't a simple thing to pinpoint... there are so many factors you can look at without seeing the larger picture. I could probably write several chapters of a book on how to run a company into the ground using PWI as an example.

/walloftext

Net_LorD - Harshlands wrote: »

My opinion is that.... *snip*

/facepalm

Care to actually add anything meaningful to this thread?

You are just:

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Cpt. Obvious Team- they will teach you, that PWE is company - which need to earn money (orly? yarly! no wai..), and PWI is mmo - which need to evolve. This means, that you shouldn't ever complain about any in-game change, because they were implemented with a good reason.
Cpt Obvious Team member is marketer's wet dream: customer who won't ever complain and even will tell others to not to (because it is somehow uncool or -optionally- gtfo!!rage!rage1rage!1).
Nobody is sure why Cpt. Obvious, react so strong at other's complaining. One theory says, that he/she is an IRL ex-QQer, with 'i-wont-ever-complain-and-will-move-on!' attitude. Other theory, is about their abusive grandparents, beating them up, because 'complains dont feed'.

Debate: Pointless, they always use same two arguments, even if it dont 'fit' conversation or someone point them as invalid. Seems, that they don't understand, what 'evolution' really means and that in any bussiness, where quality has a high value, complaining customer is a gift, not a disease.
Trolling: They are pretty good at trolling themselves, so just leave them alone with that.