PWI's current state

Vangora - Lost City

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote:

Contrary to popular belief, I haven't said THIS GAME IS DEAD on more than a couple of occasions.

And obviously, (but not to some,) it's a euphemism of which I've clearly spelled out my reasons. It's not literal. Of course the game isn't dead. It was never alive in the first place. Aside from taking it that literally that some would believe the game is a living, breathing sentient organism, it's a game that some people still play.

The population isn't nearly as large as it used to be and the game is showing evidence that it is not PWE's primary focus anymore. JD and BOI are basically flops and they're hoping FW will be the next biggest thing. According to the various MMO sites that vote on such things, it looks like FW isn't going to be the next best thing to sliced bread but just another reiteration of PW that the majority of MMO gamers isn't even actually interested in, even in the F2P niche that PWI enjoyed.

Just look back from 2007 to current and you'll see that PW and it's parent company's products are just slipping by the mainstream. A lot of it has to do with how they are perceived in their mis-management of PW, and word of mouth goes a long way into the popularity of anything.

The truth is, PWE has gone off-topic. They've lost sight of what they were actually trying to do and PW isn't their end-game, being a video and movie production company is what they're turning into and PW is becoming their cash cow to get a foothold in their new desired industry. And the only thing that is really suffering is the gaming.... or rather, lack of it. Sure, you're a new user, that's fine. You can enjoy what the game has turned in to without knowing what it used to be and the fact that they no longer really care what happens here. They're milking their niche in the MMO market so they can leave it.

All you need to do is look at the fact that they've been recycling a 7+ year old game engine at least a half dozen times now without using any of the profits to create something even better should show that they're not reinvesting into gaming, but actually leaving it behind and will try to milk every last cent they can before they end up shutting down completely. At least that's the vision I've seen from my experience of the management here in the last two years, what they've done and the direction they've changed as well as from what their press releases and company prospectus actually states. So this really is a sinking ship. It's
sinking slowly, but it certainly is way past the prime.

Mod closed the thread after you wrote all that on the basis of flamebaiting from the other user. Just wanted to say that is probably the most factual thing i have read on these forums thus far. Kudos to ya and I agree.b:cute

Shneibel - Harshlands

All you need to do is look at the fact that they've been recycling a 7+ year old game engine at least a half dozen times now without using any of the profits to create something even better should show that they're not reinvesting into gaming, but actually leaving it behind and will try to milk every last cent they can before they end up shutting down completely. At least that's the vision I've seen from my experience of the management here in the last two years, what they've done and the direction they've changed as well as from what their press releases and company prospectus actually states. So this really is a sinking ship. It's
sinking slowly, but it certainly is way past the prime.

i do expect this from a F2p game

Happy_Killer - Harshlands

I've said this often. MMO's are a buisness. If you want your buisness to be good, you have to appeal to those who would be interested in trying your product, and buying it.

PWI is PWE's product. It's been that way for six or seven years. Thus far, we've mostly somewhat enjoyed our time, and the management has been good.


BUT

Something happened somewhere along the line. JD and BOI totalled after PWE basically did the exact same thing there that they've been doing to us for the past 15 months.
They've been sucking the life out of the game, and it's rather distasteful.

If they wanted their business and their product to be even as HALF OF A QUARTER as good as it used to be, PWE would do what most BILLION dollar companies do: Ask and Listen.They've neglected to do either in the past, I don't know, three years or so?

Let's try comparing Coca-Cola to PWI. If your best product is Coca-Cola, and it's doing quite well, you DON'T go and make another type of soda to try and replace Coca-Cola, while slowly pissing off the people who buy it with a sham.
No, do you know why Coca-Cola is such a big company? They appeal to the majority of their buyers. They don't SPAM TV and the Internet with big red letters and sales every month in a pathetic attempt to try and sell their product.

No, they make the product good, easy to get, and affordable....therefore more people are attracted to it, therefore more people participate, and your buyers are content....not to mention, you have money.

Exactly what are you losing in just...shutting up and listening, PWE? I'm all filled with warm curious fuzzy things now. A little time? Contrary to the popular, time isn't money.
Listening is like depositing money in the bank--you take a little from your wallet, stick it in the bank, and after a while, you get more money in your pocket than you had before.

So exactly why is it that you can't seem to take out your wallet and desposit a little into the satisfaction of your players? It boggles my mind. It's common sense. It's not that hard! Really! People have been begging you for YEARS now, are you simply not getting the message?
Someone needs their thinking parts checked. I know trained monkies who could scam better and actually get away with it without pissing off their playerbase.

Get a clue PWE...you waste more money building up new games and ruining old ones than you would if you'd JUST TAKE CARE of your flagship franchise.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Happy_Killer - Harshlands wrote: »

If they wanted their business and their product to be even as HALF OF A QUARTER as good as it used to be, PWE would do what most BILLION dollar companies do: Ask and Listen.They've neglected to do either in the past, I don't know, three years or so?

There might be a few issues with that. For example, the devs are in China and are Chinese. The best we got here are GMs, and we don't even know the extent of their influence. For example, it could be that the GMs are actually putting together proposals for improving the game through the Suggestion Box, but are being shut down by someone higher in the company at some point on the way. Or it could be that the actual communication between PW-Beijing and PWE is actually much lesser than figured.

No, do you know why Coca-Cola is such a big company? They appeal to the majority of their buyers. They don't SPAM TV and the Internet with big red letters and sales every month in a pathetic attempt to try and sell their product.

And even when they do, they do it really, really good. I have to say that one of the things I always like about Christmas is that they run Coca-Cola's Christmas ads on the TV. Those things are awesome, like
this or this.

Exactly what are you losing in just...shutting up and listening, PWE? I'm all filled with warm curious fuzzy things now. A little time? Contrary to the popular, time isn't money.
Listening is like depositing money in the bank--you take a little from your wallet, stick it in the bank, and after a while, you get more money in your pocket than you had before.

I'd guess that a part of it is that they've long since realized that they just ... don't need to listen. After all, they've pushed some really ridiculous, game-ending sales and people are still playing the game and the forum is still active, even if some people have quit. Rather than spending a lot of time listening to the community and cutting down on the sales to make the game long lasting, they can just put in a few ridiculous sales and get the same or more profits than they would've gotten going through the other way.

There's also the thing that instead of pushing through graphical revamps of their older games, they can just keep putting through the ridiculous sales, while promoting their next generation game with better graphics. Once the next generation game is out, they get new players, old ones move over and they can just do the same thing over again, but now with more experience in how to place their sales. After all, now they know that the players won't quit even if you release a new server and practically hand out level 100 to anyone willing to spend some time and cash on the game. They also know that even if you push the minimum requirement for taking part in any of the boutique items to multiple times the long-standing standard, some people will complain but as long as they make sure that the richer in-game people can merchant and make a profit off of their sales, they'll be safe.

Basically, they don't need to give a damn about this game anymore. If they so pleased, they could wipe the whole game and its history out of existence. They could just delete the forum, the website, kill the game and issue a no-exceptions gag on PWI on all of the other forums. Of course, eventually there would be a group of rebels, but it'd calm down with time and you'd end up with a utopia scenario: the new players have no idea of what happened in the past and PWE can safely repeat the previous greedy scenario.

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

Happy_Killer - Harshlands wrote: »

Let's try comparing Coca-Cola to PWI. If your best product is Coca-Cola, and it's doing quite well, you DON'T go and make another type of soda to try and replace Coca-Cola, while slowly pissing off the people who buy it with a sham.
No, do you know why Coca-Cola is such a big company? They appeal to the majority of their buyers. They don't SPAM TV and the Internet with big red letters and sales every month in a pathetic attempt to try and sell their product.

Coca-Cola actually tried this once. They changed the formula on coke and didn't tell anyone. HUGE fuss about it, so then we got "New Coke" and "Coke Classic". To the best of my knowledge you can't get "New Coke" anymore. Pepsi did something similar, but learning from Coke's mistake, listed it as a new line. That flavor failed as well.

Excellent thread though, and honestly true. It's sad that they won't even update the game engine to work on multi-core processors, much less work in compatibility for newer video cards. We can't even expect bug fixes for bugs that have need here since freaking BETA over two years ago. They just work on new content to milk more cash out of the players instead.

Happy_Killer - Harshlands

I'll get this out of the way before someone else does.

IN BEFORE JANUSZEAL/YULK/TWEAKS/OTHER RANDOM PEOPLE COME IN, TELL US WE'RE QQING, AND QQ ABOUT US "COMPLAINING".


(Lord knows they do it to any other thread with valid points.)

Granrey - Sanctuary

Michael did a great post. If the forum was a fare place, that post must be put an sticky for everybody to see.


PWE should be planning already about PW3 rather than adding more of the same.

"evolve, adapt or step aside"

X_trigger_X - Heavens Tear

The Coco-Cola advert marks the beginning of Christmas b:victory

This is the 1st game I've had ANY connection with that the Devs don't actually play. Sure they might play the other version of PWI, but it's not PWI. And it shows...

I couldn't have put anything any better than the previous posters ^^

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »

PWE should be planning already about PW3 rather than adding more of the same.

Actually we are at PW3.1 atm (or is it 3.2? have to look it up again.)

The P2P version was version 1, I forget what happened to version 2, but we are on three already. (need to find my data on this again.)

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary

Figured I'd chime in since everyone else is... This is all stuff that is "common knowledge", but appears to be overlooked or ignored.

First, PWE is not Perfect World. PW Beijing is the parent company, of which PWE is the US subsidiary. Subsidiaries very rarely call the shots regarding products, even products for which they have full P & L responsibility, and this is clearly the case here.

Second, by all accounts the number of players in China playing the Chinese version far, far outweighs the number of people playing PWI. It is entire likely that the company IS listening to the majority of its customers; unfortunately, we ain't them.

Third (and I'm using an engineering/manufacturing model here because that is the model with which I am most familiar), the natural tendency is to shield the domestic (in this case China) engineers from the overseas "manufacturing" folks, and all change requests go through various levels of vetting before the engineers ever get to see them. In this case (and in fact is often the case), this is compounded by language barriers.

Do I wish they'd implement more suggestions from players of PWI? Absolutely. Do I wish they'd fork the development, and have PWI cater more to us and less to China? Without a doubt. Do I think either scenario remotely likely? Nope.

What I do think entirely likely, however, is that the staff at PWE have a VERY limited ability to effect any kind of change in the game itself, no matter how hard they try. Further, given the nature of Chinese companies, the staff at PWE are probably enjoined from giving much info out in the first place.

The CMs and GMs could certainly do a better job of making Joy Joy statements to the players, and making us feel that they're doing something about our concerns, but chances are thay have no real opportunity to have any affect on the future of the game.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

Despite me normally being someone who says "Stop QQing or quit," I have to admit that Michael made an excelent post.

But the fact remains. People do still play this game, and are spending huge amounts of money on it.

And don't anyone cite the PWI stocks dropping as evidence that the company is dying, because that's bullcrap. We're in the middle of a recession, everybodys stocks are dropping.

Oh and I severly doubt that PWI will ever be shut down by the company. As long as there's money to be made from it, why shut it down?
It's only when the cost of updates and paying gm/devs goes over the amount that the game makes them that the game will be shut down

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide

@Question

Dead.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

Despite me normally being someone who says "Stop QQing or quit," I have to admit that Michael made an excelent post.

But the fact remains. People do still play this game, and are spending huge amounts of money on it.

And don't anyone cite the PWI stocks dropping as evidence that the company is dying, because that's bullcrap. We're in the middle of a recession, everybodys stocks are dropping.

Oh and I severly doubt that PWI will ever be shut down by the company. As long as there's money to be made from it, why shut it down?
It's only when the cost of updates and paying gm/devs goes over the amount that the game makes them that the game will be shut down

no, but rly?

good we have you here to clear this up b:victory

Sekmeth - Raging Tide

No really? Coca Cola is everywhere, hard to walk 15min in any city w/o seeing at least one big banner/firm with coca cola. And TV is flooded too. It's just a overhyped product and it sells because some people would buy anything that is presented as very "cool" everywhere.

Also i like new pw far better than old one. PWE only exists for last 2 years but they made the game far more dynamic then it used to be. The price is that it became much more "cash shop" based than it used to be. But it's far more accesible now to more players and the time you started the game isn't as important factor. It used to take ages to level and used to take a lot of money to do so, now i find it much more fun. The endless grinds been replaced by far better team based instances. Sure now people who spend lots of money have way better gear then others, but maybe new faction bases and faction vs faction will give change to free players to enjoy this aspect of the game, that is more or less reserved to either veterans or cash shoppers.

Also about the age of the game engines, it's unimportant. Sure shiny new graphics are cool, but most players would get bored with them fast and a lot of people would be unable to play the game. They would surely loose playerbase, a lot of people play from mid-end computers, not all have a lot of hamsters running in the case

So compared to older pw what we got now? End game features that are reachable? Really how many people had rank 8 before packs/rep sale? Had nothing to do with how good a player was, just the amount of time playing the game. Dedication is admirable but still this is a game, not a endurance race. We get far more good updates now. We got far better servers now, asian ones were terrible for eu/us players.

No game is perfect, and pwi has it's flaws, but still a good game compared to other free ones. Not gonna even compare it to the over-hyped p2p competition, PW is unique.

SaiIorMoon - Lost City

Sekmeth - Raging Tide wrote: »

but maybe new faction bases and faction vs faction will give change to free players to enjoy this aspect of the game, that is more or less reserved to either veterans or cash shoppers.

Not sure how reliable it is, but last I read on those, guilds had to fight each other for certain resources to expand their base and I'm not sure about your server, but on LC one faction rules, and it's likely to do the same for guild bases...

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

SaiIorMoon - Lost City wrote: »

Not sure how reliable it is, but last I read on those, guilds had to fight each other for certain resources to expand their base and I'm not sure about your server, but on LC one faction rules, and it's likely to do the same for guild bases...

The requirements for Faction Bases are extraordinary. A lot of coins, a lot of Ulti Subs, a lot of Warsong Emblems, and the list goes on. Think it's a free thing to get a base? I don't think we're getting the whole picture. It's not just a place where you throw up some pink curtains, toss a pink couch in the corner, and drop a barb-fur rug on the floor, you gotta work HARD as a faction to earn it. At least, from what I just heard, it is.

As far as PWE just being a subsidiary of PW-Beijing, maybe it's time that they break off and become their own company. They may end up losing the US market in the long term if things keep going this way. 3 months ago, I would have been finding SOME WAY to get a Nix and Herc during a pet pack sale, but right now, there is one, and I'm thinking "Meh, I don't want to bother with either", and I'm already halfway to getting a Nix as it is. TW is dead, the faction was going to get into for TW has no territory and quite possibly won't be doing TW anymore anyway, I certainly won't be getting rank 9 any time soon, and I'm enjoying mid-game on my alts more than high-midgame on my Veno ultimately. I have no desire to level my Veno to endgame anymore. I don't know... I'm looking for other games to play now, to be completely honest. =\

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

@Sekmeth

end game features more reachable? yea, if you dont play the game. 'easiest way' is to cs or merchant... or tie yourself to your 5aps friend's leg.
3star, mold and oht marked stink like death; fc gear is not farmable; people will call you mad if you farm lunar; tt becoming more and more pointless to farm; rank gear is farmabe tru cash shop..


while i dont mind 'speeding up' game for casual players (im not typical mmo either) but what pw does, is not making things more 'easy'. they are pretty good, at making player 'life' pretty miserable, if you want to play game normally.


and about game engine (inapt) argument: 2 (?) years ago devs added some shiny stuff, w/o carying, about optimisation.. games from inb4 2000 use better tricks, than pw engine.. but yeah, shiny sells better, than well optimised..

Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

As far as PWE just being a subsidiary of PW-Beijing, maybe it's time that they break off and become their own company. They may end up losing the US market in the long term if things keep going this way.

This likely isn't possible due to contractual obligations, and it's likely not desirable from a PWE strategy persepctive... after all, they have a license to market the game, they don't have the game code-base itself so if they split off, what would be their product? They don't have one, so no point in splitting off.

Fleuri - Sanctuary

Personally... I see evidence that they do listen, maybe not always but I have seen changes here and there, and those changes do seem to be driven by us in some cases.

My own complaint has to do with quality control issues. (Rubberbanding, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, rubberbanding, I seem to be stuck here...)

But the bug report thing actually does send bug reports (I know because sometimes when I have reset things my firewall wants permission to let it access the network), and they do fix things. Just...

...some thing still need work.

(And, personally, I do not feel that gameplay is balanced well enough nor stable enough for decent competitive play. But I still have fun here.)

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary wrote: »

This likely isn't possible due to contractual obligations, and it's likely not desirable from a PWE strategy persepctive... after all, they have a license to market the game, they don't have the game code-base itself so if they split off, what would be their product? They don't have one, so no point in splitting off.

uhh well, pwe is not dev, so they cant change game content, but i guess, they 'design' cashshop, since they are publisher (and most likey have marketing hq here). evidence would be difference between china and usa boutique..

Michael_Dark - Lost City

FiDollaYou - Sanctuary wrote: »

First, PWE is not Perfect World. PW Beijing is the parent company, of which PWE is the US subsidiary. Subsidiaries very rarely call the shots regarding products, even products for which they have full P & L responsibility, and this is clearly the case here.

Since you want to get technical, you're wrong as well. The company is called Beijing Perfect World Company, Limited. At least be correct if you're going to correct others.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary wrote: »

This likely isn't possible due to contractual obligations, and it's likely not desirable from a PWE strategy persepctive... after all, they have a license to market the game, they don't have the game code-base itself so if they split off, what would be their product? They don't have one, so no point in splitting off.

True. But they both lose, and so do all of us who still play, if the game becomes so awful, nobody plays, it becomes unprofitable, and Beijing Perfect World shuts down PWI, and removes the content they released here.

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »

Personally... I see evidence that they do listen, maybe not always but I have seen changes here and there, and those changes do seem to be driven by us in some cases.

Like how they listened to everyone complaining about the free TB wings being undersized, and in response, increased the size of all the TB wings 50% EXCEPT the teeny fly wings everyone was actually complaining about?

Loved that update.

How bout when they nerfed the refilling of aerogear on clerics, and then as we complained about it they slowly spread the nerf to the other classes aerogear as well. Really odd that it happened right when genies came out and we had somewhere else that really needed the chi stones too.

Or how about the **** us on the amount of quick change slots we had on the wardrobe extension. The response they gave me, (after 3 MONTHS of back and forth with support), was that the number of quick slots was not an intended effect originally and I was just screwed.

Or how Spoons said the bulbfish was never going to be available in the boutique, but then his posts saying that were oddly removed, responding posts edited, and they ended up in the boutique. According to him it was going to be the new rare, contest only mount. Then they saw a money grab and said **** us that worked so hard to win them.

yes great job PWE. way to listen.

What we need is original content fixed before we focus on introducing new bugs. Hell they've even brought back previous bugs that were already fixed, and we still have things that haven't worked since closed beta that have never been touched. That goes all the way back to the original coders in china. If they've got so many users, and things are so great, then why isn't someone bothering to fix it?

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

I know that they do listen, and will fix what they can.

I sent in a bug report regarding mobs spawning inside rocks, they couldn't get out, and there were only a handful of spawn points/mobs. The email was forwarded, and during the next update, the mob spawns were fixed, and that quest mob now spawns in the correct spot.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

Like how they listened to everyone complaining about the free TB wings being undersized, and in response, increased the size of all the TB wings 50% EXCEPT the teeny fly wings everyone was actually complaining about?

Loved that update.

How bout when they nerfed the refilling of aerogear on clerics, and then as we complained about it they slowly spread the nerf to the other classes aerogear as well. Really odd that it happened right when genies came out and we had somewhere else that really needed the chi stones too.

Or how about the **** us on the amount of quick change slots we had on the wardrobe extension. The response they gave me, (after 3 MONTHS of back and forth with support), was that the number of quick slots was not an intended effect originally and I was just screwed.

Or how Spoons said the bulbfish was never going to be available in the boutique, but then his posts saying that were oddly removed, responding posts edited, and they ended up in the boutique. According to him it was going to be the new rare, contest only mount. Then they saw a money grab and said **** us that worked so hard to win them.

yes great job PWE. way to listen.

What we need is original content fixed before we focus on introducing new bugs. Hell they've even brought back previous bugs that were already fixed, and we still have things that haven't worked since closed beta that have never been touched. That goes all the way back to the original coders in china. If they've got so many users, and things are so great, then why isn't someone bothering to fix it?

This is entirely true. Bug fixes are essential. Totally.

Can you link to the spoons+edited posts? I'm pretty sure if this is true that this is another issue they should be hung out to dry on as any company that goes against their word should be. The only problem is the audience that is going to be here on the forum are likely not cash shoppers, most whiners, and it's the cash shopper that dictates the direction which PWI heads. It's the cash shoppers and the investors who can hurt the company -- they make or break it.

The publisher can not really be faulted all that much (most of the time you come to them with a problem they can actually fix, they do), because they only report market-based findings and bugs. The developer does an analysis determining whether or not the cost in labor to fix these bugs (yes, that they created obviously) is worth the return in $$$$. Because so many spend large amounts of money in the game, flawed or not, it sends a message to PWI/PWE that their direction is okay. It's a given in most F2P games that forums are a soap box for perpetual QQgasm by people who hate the game but can't move on. Basically, the point is enjoy the time you play on here, even with a flawed product, because even digital ones are in a constant state of obsolescence and soon the game will go the wayside. The minute you stop enjoying it, or find a better game, or find yourself whining worse than a two year old, time to move on (by moving on that means leaving the game and forums too, not just the game). PWE will get the message.

Happy_Killer - Harshlands

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The minute you stop enjoying it, or find a better game, or find yourself whining worse than a two year old, time to move on (by moving on that means leaving the game and forums too, not just the game). PWE will get the message.

They won't get the message. They simply don't care. So long as there are those uninformed people who don't think that the problems of this game apply to them as long as they whip out their creditcard are still squirting out money, there's nothing that can be done.

There has to be SOMETHING that can get the message to them that is doable and reasonable to accomplish...

Torsay - Sanctuary

You guys are beating a dead horse.

If you look at the problem from the view of the company driving this game, whatever the company name is, not really important right here. Then the best for them would be to leave the game as it is and shut it down after about half year when people realize what's going on and stop paying for it. Maybe few lies about expansion could extend the live of it.

It's kind of hard to fix this severly broken game now. They can't just go back. That would cost them more than they could gain.

More wise is to look for new ideas, try to develop a new game, while doing all of this stuff again of course.

Well... all you can do is wait and maybe see if another gaming company can see your ideas and concerns so they can make game that fits you and so maybe beat the market? Who knows.

There have been threads which took out first time posters. Polls with over 700 votes. But the devs just didn't want to listen. That is much bigger sample than all of you in this thread.

You can see that there's alot of people on this forum and not many care to post here. Not many care about the game as it seems.

I still think the forums should be heard but PWI forums clearly isn't the case.

I am sorry Fleuri but thinking they hear us is really a false hope. And even if they would. They have no soul. They are just part of mechanism driven by this huge economic bull **** that kinda drives everything these days. So maybe they would try to **** you... if they already didn't. Unintentionally of course.

No offense to them.

Kinjeto - Raging Tide

All you need to do is look at the fact that they've been recycling a 7+ year old game engine at least a half dozen times now without using any of the profits to create something even better should show that they're not reinvesting into gaming, but actually leaving it behind and will try to milk every last cent they can before they end up shutting down completely. At least that's the vision I've seen from my experience of the management here in the last two years, what they've done and the direction they've changed as well as from what their press releases and company prospectus actually states. So this really is a sinking ship. It's
sinking slowly, but it certainly is way past the prime.

So the PW:Genesis addon was created with the magical money tree? I don't think so.

You are very lucky you're getting the Genesis addon so-quick cause, I am betting PW MY won't get it for another 8 months. In many ways your lucky your even getting new classes, which means new players and continued GM support and no gold bots.

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Can you link to the spoons+edited posts? I'm pretty sure if this is true that this is another issue they should be hung out to dry on as any company that goes against their word should be. The only problem is the audience that is going to be here on the forum are likely not cash shoppers, most whiners, and it's the cash shopper that dictates the direction which PWI heads. It's the cash shoppers and the investors who can hurt the company -- they make or break it.

Sadly no, When it occurred I did a massive search of the forums and every remnant was obliterated. I believe even users posts were deleted in the effort. I should also note that it was shortly afterwards that Spoons mysteriously disappeared from the GM world with no explanation other than, "he is moving on to other things" or something to that regard.

Kinjeto - Raging Tide wrote: »

So the PW:Genesis addon was created with the magical money tree? I don't think so.

You are very lucky you're getting the Genesis addon so-quick cause, I am betting PW MY won't get it for another 8 months. In many ways your lucky your even getting new classes, which means new players and continued GM support and no gold bots.

Hmm but PW-CN gets these updates before we do and they are apparently flooded with gold bots. They also have way more users than PWI does, and have a much greater income. Now since that is where our source code comes from, (which is why we got shafted on DQ prices and TW funds), your post makes no sense other than the argument that they spend money on developing new content.

The issue is that they AREN'T spending money on FIXING what is already BROKE. Not that they aren't spending money on the game. Hell we even got new servers when we had no need for them. That could have been better spent paying the Dev's to fix some of the age old bugs. That is the point we are making.

Yuji_Sakai - Harshlands

NiaJade - Harshlands wrote: »

blablabla

What are you smoking?

Yes, Michael_Dark made a good post. Thanks for saving it from oblivion, Vangora.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

im ex-gm with apparent unwillingness for players, because i saw too much QQ in my last game.

Everyone who have some concerns about game (or just want to talk about it) are 2 year old whiny kids and should 'move on' because i said so.

did i translate it right? b:puzzled

now, do you gonna write back something witty or you got the message finally?

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anyway, pretty clear that pw is their cash cow, used to develop new cash cow.. and that they are bit despaired (or maybe just consistent?) in milking it how they can...

if their next big project, FW, gonna turn to disaster (which is possible with all hate from old players + world crysis) then -perhaps- we gonna use 'game is dead' term literally..


disapointing is that, from all money PW get from whole world, just tiny bit is invested in our game..
but thats with players acquiescence (green post above?) so it is not so surprising.