Group pvp wiz or psychic

I play both classes, and honestly I think the psy is much better suited for PvP. If you manage to cast an ultimate, the wizard AoEs are stronger and have a larger radius. However, channeling time is very long and it's common to get interrupted by an archer's arrow before you can actually get the spell off. Even the fast-cast basic spells like Gush and Pyrogram have 1 to 1.5 seconds of channeling.

What I love on my wizard that I miss on my psychic:

Force of Will - You can almost instantly seal any class, whether they've eaten an anti-stun pot or not. It's great against BMs when they're running into the group to do an AoE stun. When they're sealed, they're easy to kill.

Soporific Whisper - It's literally an instant cast, so if a Cleric is channeling their sleep skill, you can sleep them first. It's also good if you need to get out of a 1v1 situation quickly.

Distance Shrink - The "teleport" skill is great for kiting. It costs 30 chi, however, and chi-building is tough as a wizard because of our slow casting times.

Stone Barrier - Gives 100% boost to p.def (150% if you are demon). It's not as OP as it sounds, though, unless you go Light Armor or have some really good p.def ornaments.



What I love on my psychic that I miss on my wizard:

Soul of Vengeance - Every time you get hit, the attacker takes damage based on your soulforce.

Soul of Stunning - When an assassin pops out of stealth to stun you, they get stunned for 6 seconds instead. That's plenty of time to hurt them bad or run away.

Black/White Voodoo - You can choose to boost your DD power 50% or take 80% less damage. Very quick cast and short cooldown means you can switch back and forth at will.

Earth Vector - Decent damage, but also is an 8-meter AoE stun.

Psychic Will - You become immune to physical damage for 8 seconds (10 if you are sage).

Soulburn - Your attacker takes damage equal to your soulforce (mine already hits attackers for 3-4k at level 87). Combined with Psychic Will and Soul of Stunning above, this is a great offensive skill to use when surprised by a sin or when a barb/BM has decided to start beating on you.

Crystal Light - Does a lot of damage, and slows the opponent by 80% for several seconds. It's a good way to slow a speed-running BM down just enough to kill them before they can actually reach you.

Fast channeling/casting in general - All of the psychic skills channel very quickly, so it's very difficult to interrupt a psychic's channel unless you can catch them at the exact perfect time. After being interrupted constantly as a wizard, this is a God-send. It also allows us to build chi quicker than a wizard can.

I think my psychic actually hits harder using the quick base skills than my wizard does. The wizard hits much harder when using the slower skills like Sandstorm or Glacial Spike. However, my wizard also gets farmed by sins like there is no tomorrow. They are pretty good for group PvP but are terrible if put into a 1v1 situation. IMHO, the psychic offers a better balance between AoE power and 1v1 defensibility.

Sorry for the wall of text, but I hope it helps! b:bye

Vindrael - Lost City wrote: »

Black/White Voodoo - You can choose to boost your DD power 22%@skilllv10 or take ~30%@60deflv less damage. Very quick cast and short cooldown means you can switch back and forth at will.

fixed for you mr psy b:bye

IMO
if we are talking about serious pvp stay behind the frontline and nuke...

a psy being able to spam aoes into a group might sound good but it is like saying: "gank me pls"
therefore if your armor is just mediocre don't do it...

switching between black and white vodoo takes a few seconds...
few seconds can decide a fight...
also when switching to black vodoo archer/sin gonna feast on you...

you might forget to rebuff soul of stunning/retaliation every 30sec...

also wizards can hit harder AND faster(with sutra)...
might wanna try 3spark+sutra...

Wizards... they kite better and have strong physical skills to kill squishies too.

_Spot_ - Lost City wrote: »

hahaha i just saw you are Valrain, jez bud pm me in game its Tivas here ill help with anything u need...

Anyway, wiz only have on Phisical skill(Blade Tempest), and yes shrink is good but wastes chi wich suks hard....

The think that i like about psys is that they dont need chan- wich makes my end game cheaper...(not to mention skills they are less and so less coins i will need)

Im thinking on rank 8 end game ill try psy unless there a big argument to make a wiz.

Thanks for the posts

- as wizard you will go for the same endgame gear as psychics
channeling is luxury and pdef ornaments with channeling aren't implemented yet
wizards got SUTRA

- you should consider rank8 as mediocre now after rep sale
thats why many GLASS CANNONS are running around these days

psys got 8aoes and amost every aoe comes with a chance to slow, stun, imobilize, reduce atk speed, reduce accuracy, bleed...(only 3 of them need chi)
great support for your group in pvp!

it is worth/fun to play a psy? YES

is either wiz or psy better than the other? NOPE

_Spot_ - Lost City wrote: »

hahaha i just saw you are Valrain, jez bud pm me in game its Tivas here ill help with anything u need...

Anyway, wiz only have on Phisical skill(Blade Tempest), and yes shrink is good but wastes chi wich suks hard....

The think that i like about psys is that they dont need chan- wich makes my end game cheaper...(not to mention skills they are less and so less coins i will need)

Im thinking on rank 8 end game ill try psy unless there a big argument to make a wiz.

Thanks for the posts

Tivas!!! Sweet, I will add you to my friends list next time I log in. b:victory

For the larger area AoE I like wizards, but man I am having a lot more success in PvP on my psychic than I've ever had on this character. b:laugh

Vindrael - Lost City wrote: »

This is one of the most misunderstood aspects of the game, and nobody ever seems to be able to get it right. I'm not saying I completely understand it either b:chuckle but Level 10 White Voodoo does give more than just 30% damage reduction. In my tests, it's close to 50% damage reduction, which makes sense according to this analysis:

Attack and Defense Levels Demystified

If you had actually read past the first few posts of that thread, you would realize that that information wasn't entirely accurate. It's still not completely understood.

HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

with all the high dmg weapons and good stuff around i would say psychic because

a)psychics aoes are less chi consuming + psy got better chi building than wiz
b)psychics aoes are spamable + most of them got nice sideeffects
c)psychics can take out better geared people with their soulforce skills
d)psychics can react faster due to faster channeling/cast-->more flexibility

im not sure if wiz ultis can 1hit well geared endgame chars without a crit
and the main prob is that undine only works for 1 person and takes time so
instead of dealing once slightly more dmg with a long recovery till next aoe hit
i would say faster aoes with effects will annoy even more.

This is spots wizard,

And no ultimates dont one shot endgame well geared players(i have a tt99 10+ glaive) unless you are like Elayne....

Thank you for your post really maked my chioce on Psy easier.

I dont know much about Psy atmm mine still lvl 20 lol, so thye are not chi dependent?
If thats right should i go demon?

Tivas - Archosaur wrote: »

This is spots wizard,

And no ultimates dont one shot endgame well geared players(i have a tt99 10+ glaive) unless you are like Elayne....

Thank you for your post really maked my chioce on Psy easier.

I dont know much about Psy atmm mine still lvl 20 lol, so thye are not chi dependent?
If thats right should i go demon?

There are a few differences between sage and demon that I think are important. For one, sage spirit blast has a chance to give 30 chi. Also, Soul of Vengeance stops consuming the buffed person's mana, so you could cast it on a barb or BM and it won't deplete their limited mana pool. Sage Sandburst Blast extends to a 10-meter AoE (Black Ice Dragon is 12 meters, for comparison). Sage Vigor skills can either reduce a guradian charm cooldown to 1 second, or increase its cooldown time to 9 seconds. These are perfect for catabarbs in TW. Finally, Sage Bubble of Life not only heals the party, it's an AoE purify.

There are some advantages to demon too, of course, but overall I personally like the sage skills a lot more.

black voodoo = 22% more attack, 25% if sage. mentioning JJ blessing is pointless, wizzies can use it too.

white voodoo = ~50% damage reduction.

concerning chi, psys get less chi per hit so the chi gain is roughly the same (not counting interrupts).


demon "signature" skills are landslide, tide spirit (insane crit bonus) and sandburst blast.

Vindrael - Lost City wrote: »

Crystal Light - Does a lot of damage, and slows the opponent by 80% for several seconds. It's a good way to slow a speed-running BM down just enough to kill them before they can actually reach you.

Good BM→ Farstrike

Psys hit barely high but if super squishy without white voodo. Wizards hit just as high and they have crazy def for an AA. And wiz having a physical nuke is broken to the rest of squishys.

HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

first of all Blade Tempest is only half physical dmg other half is fire dmg. But i dont think you have to worry that much of Blade Tempest i would rather think about Red Tide with the soulforce based bleed or the psychics aoes in general. While interrupting a wiz before he gets the attacks in is rather easy you will be less successful on a psy

greetz harm0wnie

hmmmm are u talking about the bleed that cleric's can puify or u can use hp food OR!! Sutra silence the psy heal..then smack um with BT (it happen 2 me many times) 2 out heal the bleed.. lame lame lame lame LOL and my Red Tide is SAGE b:angry b:cry b:surrender .....i rather have it like a BT but half water half soulforce...and my luck must suck most times takes 2 sparks -.-

Kawailele - Sanctuary wrote: »

hmmmm are u talking about the bleed that cleric's can puify or u can use hp food OR!! Sutra silence the psy heal..then smack um with BT (it happen 2 me many times) 2 out heal the bleed.. lame lame lame lame LOL and my Red Tide is SAGE b:angry b:cry b:surrender .....i rather have it like a BT but half water half soulforce...and my luck must suck most times takes 2 sparks -.-

you forget that you dont need a cleric to purify due to the sage bubble of life while wiz still got no purify except sage/demon spark

it only has the chance to consume only one spark so that means it not has to work 100% of the time.

the whole soulforce skills are way to strong i dont see any reason of making another one of them or making the skills even stronger. Dont forget you already got skills that give IMMUNITY to certain kinds of attack whereas other classes got only skills that increase defenses so while a wiz for example has to get good gear to reach a noticable dmg reduction from stone barrier you can wear the crappiest robe you want and still get the immunity so before you underestimate the potential of your soulforce skills calculate their power with decent refines and gear

greetz harm0wnie

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

80% slow + flying = pointless debuff

80% slow + holy path = pointless debuff

for a wiz i woudl say 40(5)% debuff because a wiz hardly will be able to use glacial snare (80%) or BIDS ( 60%) as first hit. Personally i think distance shrink here will be the best choice because it instantly teleports you for 25(30 demon) meters.