Question about this game is dead

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  • Posts: 1,270 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I brought it up because I see it as stupid, and until today, I never really participated in the "game is dead" debate.

    But, to each their own. If you want to use a metaphor, when you could more simply say (and have many more people agree) "game is broken", go for it. Just don't be surprised when people question it because it doesn't make any logical sense to them.

    Seriously though, the flashing sigs are rather annoying...Even if they said "broken". O_O
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  • Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I don't think any one of the people who were prancing around, going "GAME IS DEAD TIME TO MOVE ON!" ever said anything about the game becoming a ghost town.

    Granted, I did personally give out one such scenario, but that was obviously a rather exaggerated, absolute worst case scenario. And even then, I never said that the game would lack players, just that certain areas of the game would be withered down to a near-death state.

    I believe that the whole "Game Is Dead" thing was about PWE taking away any motivation to play the game. After all, if they put everything in the boutique, the game stops being about playing and more about spending money. At that point, the only point of playing the game is to say you did it. After all, no matter how hard you work, PWE can make all of your hard work pointless with a single sale; you'll never be the top unless you spend money in the game. Of course, even this is not absolute, people such as Kitamura and RoidAbuse have proven that.

    However, I don't think that all of the fault lies with PWE. Some of it has to lie in the player base as well. That much is obvious when you see people in their 80s talking about how awesome it'll be once they get 5 aps. The people in this game are extremely result-oriented, that's exactly why stuff like the General Summer Sale have such massive impact on the game. Basically, I'm saying that the people playing the game have far too serious attitudes towards it. It's supposed to be fun, it's supposed to be a method of relaxation. Once it stops being that, you should stop playing. But instead what happens on PWI is that the players complain and get emotional.

    Personally, I keep the signature, at least for now, because to me personally, the game is hanging on a thin line. It's not about me being a rebel or something like that, it's a reminder to myself. I've gone through the experience of not being able to move on from a game after being inactive for months, so this time, I'm preparing myself for it.
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  • Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I don't think any one of the people who were prancing around, going "GAME IS DEAD TIME TO MOVE ON!" ever said anything about the game becoming a ghost town.

    Granted, I did personally give out one such scenario, but that was obviously a rather exaggerated, absolute worst case scenario. And even then, I never said that the game would lack players, just that certain areas of the game would be withered down to a near-death state.

    I believe that the whole "Game Is Dead" thing was about PWE taking away any motivation to play the game. After all, if they put everything in the boutique, the game stops being about playing and more about spending money. At that point, the only point of playing the game is to say you did it. After all, no matter how hard you work, PWE can make all of your hard work pointless with a single sale; you'll never be the top unless you spend money in the game. Of course, even this is not absolute, people such as Kitamura and RoidAbuse have proven that.

    However, I don't think that all of the fault lies with PWE. Some of it has to lie in the player base as well. That much is obvious when you see people in their 80s talking about how awesome it'll be once they get 5 aps. The people in this game are extremely result-oriented, that's exactly why stuff like the General Summer Sale have such massive impact on the game. Basically, I'm saying that the people playing the game have far too serious attitudes towards it. It's supposed to be fun, it's supposed to be a method of relaxation. Once it stops being that, you should stop playing. But instead what happens on PWI is that the players complain and get emotional.

    Personally, I keep the signature, at least for now, because to me personally, the game is hanging on a thin line. It's not about me being a rebel or something like that, it's a reminder to myself. I've gone through the experience of not being able to move on from a game after being inactive for months, so this time, I'm preparing myself for it.

    It's nice that there are a few with the mental capacity to understand this. Not many do. :p

    Then again there are two types that continuously fail to grasp this... the newer player base and the 'permanently satisfied customer'.
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  • Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I brought it up because I see it as stupid, and until today, I never really participated in the "game is dead" debate.

    But, to each their own. If you want to use a metaphor, when you could more simply say (and have many more people agree) "game is broken", go for it. Just don't be surprised when people question it because it doesn't make any logical sense to them.

    Seriously though, the flashing sigs are rather annoying...Even if they said "broken". O_O


    the story of this term looks more-or-less like that:


    for example,

    pwe changed TT - people rage, that they killed TT

    pwe changed TW - people rage, that they klled TW


    then, some smartass said, that at this point 'game is dead'.


    it fits and it is funny; i use it, cause i like this metaphor. seems more people like it too xP
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  • Posts: 237 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    As far as I'm concerned this game died when they started selling gear and things beyond mounts. This game isn't about playing anymore as much as it is catching up to everyone else... The only things I've ever bought are Fashion and mounts and sort of cosmetic goodies and charms. I level extremely slow so I can enjoy what's left of the game. Other games do this cash shop stuff well by not selling things that devalue hard work or outright make people who get lucky with their buck, better. PWE/PWI do this. They outright sell exp now with how easy they make it.

    I stick around to try and have some fun still because any game is fun with friends, even the worst NFL game in history is fun with friends because at least we can make fun of it... There may not be a dip in the player-base itself but there's a pretty good dent in the number of smart people, because a lot of them found a better game. 0_O;
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  • Posts: 1,270 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Okayokayokay, I do get the metaphor (I'm apparently a bit slow this morning - it just "ding'd" in my head, light a lightbulb).

    However! Still doesn't explain why you guys hang around the forums and post mostly in game-related threads, which is what this thread is actually about, if I remember correctly. =P Everyone knows that they're not going to fix...anything, no matter how much you educate the masses about what's broken.
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  • Posts: 2,301 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Okayokayokay, I do get the metaphor (I'm apparently a bit slow this morning - it just "ding'd" in my head, light a lightbulb).

    However! Still doesn't explain why you guys hang around the forums and post mostly in game-related threads, which is what this thread is actually about, if I remember correctly. =P Everyone knows that they're not going to fix...anything, no matter how much you educate the masses about what's broken.

    For post count! :D
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  • Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Okayokayokay, I do get the metaphor (I'm apparently a bit slow this morning - it just "ding'd" in my head, light a lightbulb).

    However! Still doesn't explain why you guys hang around the forums and post mostly in game-related threads, which is what this thread is actually about, if I remember correctly. =P Everyone knows that they're not going to fix...anything, no matter how much you educate the masses about what's broken.

    for giggles from you, when i use english wrongly ;)
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  • Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    However! Still doesn't explain why you guys hang around the forums and post mostly in game-related threads, which is what this thread is actually about, if I remember correctly. =P Everyone knows that they're not going to fix...anything, no matter how much you educate the masses about what's broken.

    Why not? Just because we are on the forums and don't play the game doesn't mean we like to talk about it.

    Majority that do that have played the game well enough to know its functions, trends, etc.

    If we like talking about how bad the game is, go for it.

    If we like to talk about how awesome the game is, go for it.

    ....and as Evict said, for the postcount, duh.
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  • Posts: 1,270 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Fair enough. O_O Post count and giggles...makes the world go around, for sure.
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  • Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    OP has a very good point, one that i keep wondering about myself. if all these people with the QQ/GameDead/etc sigs and threads are still here, my question is.....**Why?**

    - if the game is dead, leave.

    - if you hate the game, leave.

    and dont let the door hit you in the buns on the way out.

    the rest of us love this game enough to either tough out problems, take time outs when we are frustrated (love the one poster who suggested riding your land mount for things like WQ, or just sightseeing...great idea!), or switch to a different game for a while, then come back.
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  • Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Weapon Tokens that have a 50/50 chance of giving you the Mold or 2 Mirages and sell for next to nothing, what about them? The Pefect Iron Hammer and 50/80 Supply stash is a nightmare for non-cashshoppers. I NPCed mine when I reached level 50 because it was a huge waste of limited inventory space, strike two. I admit, the 2m reward from BH is a nice treat, but it isn't in any way a viable "accommodation" for non-CSers. Firstly, it's available to everyone who reaches 100. I have 1 lvl 100 character; my cashopping friends have 4 or so. Secondly, the chance of actually obtaining the 2m reward is slimmer than a model on a strict no-food diet.

    50/50 is damned good chance, and the weapons sold very high last I checked.You did use the Supply Stash up to 50 didn't you -ffs? You want hand outs for non CS'ers only? Is the rest of your comebacks this lame? - I'll probably never know. Game is dead but you still here. b:bye
  • Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    OP has a very good point, one that i keep wondering about myself. if all these people with the QQ/GameDead/etc sigs and threads are still here, my question is.....**Why?**

    - if the game is dead, leave.

    - if you hate the game, leave.

    and dont let the door hit you in the buns on the way out.

    the rest of us love this game enough to either tough out problems, take time outs when we are frustrated (love the one poster who suggested riding your land mount for things like WQ, or just sightseeing...great idea!), or switch to a different game for a while, then come back.

    you could just read Knownase (two posts earlier) and you wouldnt have to write such dramatic post
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  • Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I know the "game is dead" crowd will say that they stick around because game=/=forums, and the forums only take a moment to read and post, and multiple other arguments.

    But at the end of the day it only speaks about them as a person. If you have nothing better to do than to post negative comments, or say that the game is dead, then you don't have much going for you.

    And don't say that posting on the forums doesn't take long, because when you guys post, just by looking at the times you posted, I can tell you usually read through the forums at 30min-1hour intervals at a time.
    Also might be worth mentioning that a game I quit about 2 years ago because I didn't like how it was being run, hasn't been revisited on more than maybe 3 occasions, when I just poked my head in to see what was happening. If you're truly done with a game, and truly think its unrepairable and dead, then there isn't really any reason to visit it.

    And don't say the cliche, "I'm waiting for genesis, it might fix the game," because "fix" means you think it's broken, not dead. Dead is irreversable, final, complete. There is no way to "fix" death.

    As for "raising my post count;" kinda sad that you still post on the forums to a game you've lost hope, that you choose to go through for 30+mins a day, all so that you can increase your post count by one. Do you get a sense of accomplishment from posting in the forums of a lost cause? Do you hope that the players of a Lost Cause will be impressed by your post count?
    Do you think people really notice post count that much?


    /wall of text
    Go ahead and methodically go through my post and state your answer to each paragraph in red, we all know it's happening b:laugh
  • Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Every single person that has said go elsewhere understands the exaggerated metaphor most of the people use. I guess if we're going to use an exaggerated "metaphor" to describe something, why not "game is perfectly fine, no flaws, nothing. Game is perfect."

    That would be an equal counterpoint to yours. Nobody is even posting this, however.. strange.

    You actually want to be taken seriously. Fail.
  • Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Am I the only one who gets a headache of those sigs ? b:surrender

    Getting a headache from these sigs is much better than getting a headache from being ignored by developers, having glitches that were never fixed, expansions that dent wallets, and annoying little punks that think they know the game better than the folks that played it since beta.
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  • Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    @DaKillanator
    mmm, insulting people on forums - i think, you just won the internets


    speaking of 'methodically going through post and state answer to each paragraph in red', i would write red lol, under your penultimate paragraph. really ;D


    @janus
    not our fault, that you dont get methapors or what they are used for
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  • Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    i think, i won, because, i can try, to talk down to people

    i pick apart, things, that nobody really understands, because my english r suk so bad, and i go on long tangents that, nobody can, follow, or fall asleep in the middle, of reading
  • Posts: 133 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Honestly this whole "Game is Dead" thing needs to stop. I understand people are frustrated with the GMs and Devs but to QQ constantly in the forums of a game you apparently hate and supposedly quit it ridiculous.

    You don't like PWI? Don't play it and don't have anything to do with it. Simple as that.

    Sure the QQers are promoting a bad name for the company, but you know what? It's still promoting their name. I know some people would come and read nasty posts before downloading the game. Some would stop there and leave PWI before starting it, and some would still download it to give it a chance.

    Personally, I've seen way too many QQers about every RPG game that I simply don't care what other people think about it anymore. I play it first and if I like it, I stay. Easy :)
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  • Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    @DaKillanator
    mmm, insulting people on forums - i think, you just won the internets


    speaking of 'methodically going through post and state answer to each paragraph in red', i would write red lol, under your penultimate paragraph. really ;D


    @janus
    not our fault, that you dont get methapors or what they are used for
    actually, i do, i was, in fact, making, an extremely similar analogy, and how no one else is saying the opposite, as the case has been made, that those who are telling "game is dead" trolls to sod off (or in my case making fun of them), they are perfectly fine with people taking issues with the obvious flaws in the game, without exaggerated metaphors..

    the prosecution rests, and thanks to you, grammar checker has been broken
  • Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    It happens all the time.

    Lets see....time line of QQ events.


    QQ Birds aka Nixes -> Venos w/ Hercs solo TTs -> Anniversary Packs -> Moar Packs -> OP

    Tideborn Theories -> DQ Nerfing -> 5.0 APS -> Nien Event Point Sharing -> TW nerfing

    -> Packs Perm in CS -> Rank 8/9 Sale

    Think I got them all, feel free to edit this timeline, few things might be out of order.

    As for me, yea I've had moments where...."wtf is PWi doing?" thoughts come about, but personally just moved on.

    Don't get me wrong though, its only a selected few that wonder the forums and state the game is dead, however, can't deny that ppl have quit due to various updates, sales, etc.
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  • Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    It happens all the time.

    Lets see....time line of QQ events.


    QQ Birds aka Nixes -> Venos w/ Hercs solo TTs -> Anniversary Packs -> Moar Packs -> OP

    Tideborn Theories -> DQ Nerfing -> 5.0 APS -> Nien Event Point Sharing -> TW nerfing

    -> Packs Perm in CS -> Rank 8/9 Sale

    Think I got them all, feel free to edit this timeline, few things might be out of order.

    As for me, yea I've had moments where...."wtf is PWi doing?" thoughts come about, but personally just moved on.

    Don't get me wrong though, its only a selected few that wonder the forums and state the game is dead, however, can't deny that ppl have quit due to various updates, sales, etc.

    Actually a fair and unbiased post.
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  • Posts: 816 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I don't mind the signatures as much as I mind them posting on EVERY THREAD asking questions with rudge and discouraging remarks. I mean seriously, if you don't like the game thats fine you can have your opinion on it and not play it. But when someone is asking a legitimate question about the game or its game play you don't have to pummel it to the ground with "They don't, this game is blah blah blah blah" like I see so many with that signature doing. If you don't like the game that's FINE, but don't beat down those that still do or those that can look past it's broken problems! I'm not denying the game has issues, but dang ... lol.
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  • Posts: 162 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Try to think of it from my perspective. I, along with many others, pours countless dollars and hours into this game for over two years, and all this game has ever given us were huge slaps to our faces with almost every single one of its updates. I hate this game to a point where it's not enough to just leave it. I want revenge. If there was a way for me to bankrupt this company I would do it in a second, but there isn't right now so this is all I can do.
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  • Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    @janus

    you win always by default tho


    i was never really sure, if you are trolling or just stubborn.

    usually, when you argue with someone, you are wrong.
    yarly, thats a fact..
    i remember that from cleric forums or from general.. i remember your fail-arguing about economics even..
    seesh m8, i know, that having 'original point of view' is neat, but insisting on it, when you are wrong, makes you look dumb..


    every contrargument of your opponents are always illogical, boring, or not related rants, especially, when they refute your arguments.

    you just cant stop insulting people, so your debates go personal at some point always.

    when someone troll you good, you even start to give psychological diagnosis. (not lately tho, i miss that tbh lol)


    atm, your main supporters are yulk and tweakz (for teh love of god, lol)
    another two individuals with 'orginal-pov-need' disease.


    BTW feel free to use your methapor. you have my permission
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  • Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    I hate the siggys but the WORST is that they can't be blocked with AdBlock cause it blocks all other images in PWI site too. b:cry So still looking for an effective way to block them, any ideas are welcomed... b:surrender
  • Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    every contrargument of your opponents are always illogical, boring, or not related rants

    you just cant stop insulting people, so your debates go personal at some point always.
    you look dumb
    when someone troll you good, you even start to give psychological diagnosis.
    atm, your main supporters are yulk and tweakz (for teh love of god, lol)
    another two individuals with 'orginal-pov-need' disease.

    Paramedic vs. Paramedic. Who will come out from under the troll bridge as the winnar? b:laugh
  • Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Paramedic vs. Paramedic. Who will come out from under the troll bridge as the winnar? b:laugh

    my personal rant is response to your personal rant, in case, you didnt notice

    last two quotes -lol- were intented, genius..


    btw, gratz on your 'come out' (from under bridge), and showing that, you are just another troll.

    pretty obvious one tho. good ones try to not insult oppenents all the time (especially, foreginers for bad english skills) and have some good points to back up statments.


    everyone can see difference in style we use to write here. everyone can see your other posts, where you call people morons, tell to gtfo if they dont agree with you, or accuse of mental disorder..


    im just afraid, that i made cpt obvious from myself with this post..
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  • Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    my personal rant is response to your personal rant, in case, you didnt notice

    last two quotes -lol- were intented, genius..


    btw, gratz on your 'come out' (from under bridge), and showing that, you are just another troll.

    pretty obvious one tho. good ones try to not insult oppenents all the time (especially, foreginers for bad english skills) and have some good points to back up statments.


    everyone can see difference in style we use to write here. everyone can see your other posts, where you call people morons, tell to gtfo if they dont agree with you, or accuse of mental disorder..


    im just afraid, that i made cpt obvious from myself with this post..
    Actually your analysis is only upon things you disagree with. If you actually read posts that said "moron" it was based on people who posted toward myself. The rant and the digression from the topic at hand was all you, friend. The quotes were just a bit of irony that encompasses your posts in general. "Through the looking glass" is an adequate term for you.
  • Posts: 2,301 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    thumbs wrote: »
    50/50 is damned good chance, and the weapons sold very high last I checked.You did use the Supply Stash up to 50 didn't you -ffs? You want hand outs for non CS'ers only? Is the rest of your comebacks this lame? - I'll probably never know. Game is dead but you still here. b:bye

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