Is a normal Barb worth to be Leveled to 100+???

Dragono - Lost City · January 2011

Hey guys...
I dont wont to ask this cause Im afraid of the answers you all could give me...
But I do it now!!!

Like the title told you is a Barbarian really be worth to be leveled to Lvl 100+???
With "normal Barbarian" I mean the ones with axes or hammers and tanking with Fleash Ream and Roar in dungeons.

Many people may ask herself now "why not Barbs are often needed for tanking bla bla etc." but on my opinion normal Barbs are only needed until Lvl 100.
The only Barbs I see Lvl 100+ are Claw/Fists Barbs with 5.0 aps...
But the restating and the new EQ is a bit expensive for me O_O
So I would be a normal Barb with Lvl 100 unable to run NV cause nobody want a slow barb in their squad :<

So cause of that I ask you that now I would need about one year from now on to reach Lvl 100 with my Barb but if I couldnt do anything with him with that Lvl I start another class and dont waste a year for nearly nothing =(

I hope anyone understand me here b:cute

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · January 2011

Dragono - Lost City wrote: »

Hey guys...
I dont wont to ask this cause Im afraid of the answers you all could give me...
But I do it now!!!

Like the title told you is a Barbarian really be worth to be leveled to Lvl 100+???
With "normal Barbarian" I mean the ones with axes or hammers and tanking with Fleash Ream and Roar in dungeons.

Many people may ask herself now "why not Barbs are often needed for tanking bla bla etc." but on my opinion normal Barbs are only needed until Lvl 100.
The only Barbs I see Lvl 100+ are Claw/Fists Barbs with 5.0 aps...
But the restating and the new EQ is a bit expensive for me O_O
So I would be a normal Barb with Lvl 100 unable to run NV cause nobody want a slow barb in their squad :<

So cause of that I ask you that now I would need about one year from now on to reach Lvl 100 with my Barb but if I couldnt do anything with him with that Lvl I start another class and dont waste a year for nearly nothing =(

I hope anyone understand me here b:cute

Let face to the truth. If you are not 5APS at level 100+ you are practically worthless.
You end up like we, wizards. Dead class or with minimum purpose.

kingfoolish · January 2011

1 year to lvl to 100?
and you are lvl 86 now?

Keliska - Raging Tide · January 2011

about a week I thought o.O months afterwards tho but, not a bad problem. :P

_Hysteria_ - Dreamweaver · January 2011

Dragono - Lost City wrote: »

Hey guys...
I dont wont to ask this cause Im afraid of the answers you all could give me...
But I do it now!!!

Like the title told you is a Barbarian really be worth to be leveled to Lvl 100+???
With "normal Barbarian" I mean the ones with axes or hammers and tanking with Fleash Ream and Roar in dungeons.

Many people may ask herself now "why not Barbs are often needed for tanking bla bla etc." but on my opinion normal Barbs are only needed until Lvl 100.
The only Barbs I see Lvl 100+ are Claw/Fists Barbs with 5.0 aps...
But the restating and the new EQ is a bit expensive for me O_O
So I would be a normal Barb with Lvl 100 unable to run NV cause nobody want a slow barb in their squad :<

So cause of that I ask you that now I would need about one year from now on to reach Lvl 100 with my Barb but if I couldnt do anything with him with that Lvl I start another class and dont waste a year for nearly nothing =(

I hope anyone understand me here b:cute

uhhhh....86 to 100 in a year????? lol wtf, hypers are cheap even if you dont cash shop <.<, make fc your home and waa laaaa

Keliska - Raging Tide · January 2011

yeah between my fac and outside says it's about a week. just pends on how much time you have to spend in-game.

Ryiah - Heavens Tear · January 2011

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Let face to the truth. If you are not 5APS at level 100+ you are practically worthless.

Worthless in regards to what? I'm frankly of the opinion that 5APS isn't necessary for PvE. I don't see a point in even trying with my heavy-armored venomancer. Of course if you're assuming everyone plays for PvP, then your assumption needs to be reevaluated.

Yulk_owns - Lost City · January 2011

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Let face to the truth. If you are not 5APS at level 100+ you are practically worthless.
You end up like we, wizards. Dead class or with minimum purpose.

Could we give the 5aps a rest please? Its horribly fail on barbs, even more on archers.

Ryiah - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Worthless in regards to what? I'm frankly of the opinion that 5APS isn't necessary for PvE. I don't see a point in even trying with my heavy-armored venomancer. Of course if you're assuming everyone plays for PvP, then your assumption needs to be reevaluated.

No way a normal barb is going to be outshined by 3.33 or even 5.0 barbs... not even archers... I do more damage than them as pure VIT 70ish barbs TBH. (71 barb I use too)

Infact, fist barbs are just fail fuzzy BMs that should have rolled BM for normal attacks.

Fleuri - Sanctuary · January 2011

Personally, I love barbarians.

And any 5aps character that thinks they are worthless is a fool.

Yes, if you use a 5aps fist/claws, barb skills will not be able to hold aggro off of you, but but a good barbarian is so much better than just being a damage sponge.

First off, barbarian buffs are priceless for a 5aps character: the extra damage is nice, the extra health can be a life saver.

Second, barbarian tanking skills can also be helpful or invaluable -- they can reduce your target's physical defense, but even better: they can cancel channelling which can turn an impossible fight into a survivable fight, and good barbarian can see when you are in trouble and reset aggro, pulling it onto themself. Typically, this will only absorb one hit, but that might be all you need to stay alive.

But, also, a 5aps character typically wants to fight a single target, and barbarians have wonderful crowd control abilities.

(Or, you can build a 5aps barbarian, but you do not have to go that route to be useful.)

The real problem with barbarians would be the idiots that do not understand nor appreciate them.

That said, currently, a lot of high level attention is focused on nirvana. Nirvana can be fun, but the most optimal way to run nirvana seems to be with one veno and five 5aps characters. A lot of things do not work in nirvana, or do not work well, which limits the usefulness of many other character types, and the damage is low enough, especially during the opening phases of combat, to be easily survivable by a 5aps tank. Its like the place was designed specifically for 5aps characters. But unless you are level 100+ now, this should not matter to you, because things will change when the expansion comes out.

Ninnuam - Sanctuary · January 2011

Ryiah - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Worthless in regards to what? I'm frankly of the opinion that 5APS isn't necessary for PvE. I don't see a point in even trying with my heavy-armored venomancer. Of course if you're assuming everyone plays for PvP, then your assumption needs to be reevaluated.

On the contrary. 5aps isnt (as much of) a problem for PvP. If you see a bm/sin sparking you're gonna AD/expel/ig/whatever and gtfo. It's PvE where 5aps shines since it makes running instances super fast. A single 5aps char has the damage output of a full non-fist squad, literally. 5aps nirvanas take 10 minutes. Non-aps nirvanas take an hour. Ditto for TTs and whatnot. If you wanna do celestial tiger/ruins event, it's either be 5aps, or married to one if you plan on landing in the top 20.

And in response to the OP, barbs ARE both wanted and needed at 100 for everything, including nirvana. Just not in the 5aps squads, since they either already have a 5aps barb, or a barb buff bot outside the entrance to buff their squishy **** in between runs.

Get both lvl11 buffs and you may be lucky to find a group of aps people that will take you. Otherwise, expect to settle for an average non-aps nirvana squad that takes an hour to finish.

WnbTank - Archosaur · January 2011

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

Could we give the 5aps a rest please? Its horribly fail on barbs, even more on archers.

No way a normal barb is going to be outshined by 3.33 or even 5.0 barbs... not even archers... I do more damage than them as pure VIT 70ish barbs TBH. (71 barb I use too)

Infact, fist barbs are just fail fuzzy BMs that should have rolled BM for normal attacks.

Sure you do, you totally out dps ppl that do more dmg per hit than you, also hit over 5x faster. I`ll just go put my donkey hat on, I foolishly trusted in maths when it`s clearly inferior to Yulk power. Thanks for pointing this out!

Edit: Yeah, get lvl 11 buffs and you shouldn`T have too much problem finding nirvana squad, just dont expect to run too much with those aps squads.

Obly - Dreamweaver · January 2011

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

Could we give the 5aps a rest please? Its horribly fail on barbs, even more on archers.

No way a normal barb is going to be outshined by 3.33 or even 5.0 barbs... not even archers... I do more damage than them as pure VIT 70ish barbs TBH. (71 barb I use too)

Infact, fist barbs are just fail fuzzy BMs that should have rolled BM for normal attacks.

And this explains why engame dungeons (mainly Nirvana) let Barbs, Archers, BMs, Sins get left out of squads if they do not have enough APS, or any fists at all.."they'll just slow us down" Some1 once told me.

That is the hard fact now, if its a succes or fail build is completely out of the question. Its a requirement nowadays to get in with the action.

And normal barbs are indeed low end only, till 80-ish, maybe 90. But after that aps dominates the game's instances and squads, due to the very low threat the skills increase, and the short aggro control.

Not to mention that veno's are pretty much getting cast aside, but they have amp so they can come..now and then.

Wizzard, completely ignored, unless they need a delta, THEN they need em.

anwynd · January 2011

being the old fashion barb is still doable now adays all you need is some true friends or just make your own sqauds you might not get the instance done as fast as a aps sqaud will but atleast you can still do it and have fun doing itb:victory

Obly - Dreamweaver · January 2011

anwynd wrote: »

being the old fashion barb is still doable nowadays all you need is some true friends or just make your own sqauds you might not get the instance done as fast as a aps squad will but atleast you can still do it and have fun doing itb:victory

This is very true, and I make sure to organize these types of squads.

I don;t care about the length of time it takes, as long as we have FUN (its a game for Peets sake.)

However, with the arrival of Hypers and thus an increase gameplay speed in leveling up and new dailies, like BH, the currenty gamers community is slowly.."mutating" to wanting more in less time = FASTER FASTER FASTER. These players are USED 2 fast instances and fast leveling, thus they will expect no less later on.

This gives alot of players the downside of not being invited to those party's.

Thus in order to get a good amount of gametime doing stuff, this i mean at endgame 100+), they will be "forced", not entirely but, to get their aps up in case of melee classes.

I myself am a pure dex archer as much as possible, but got left out of everything, so I started on some APS with claws, and got 3.33 spaked atm, currently working on my nirvana pants, not for the aps, but for the +4% defenses, but it will give me 4.0 as well.

It does give you some MAJOR advantages as an archer being able 2 tank close and rangeed with good damage. Rank 8 bow...yay damage. but that's besides the point.

So in conclusion;

A: I agree with you.
B: The slow change of the player community ingame makes this type of squad harder and harder 2 realize, if they are not friends. I doubt you will see many of these squads on Random (Unfortunately)

I just hope that the expansion will bring some good changes and fixes to the game.

Tygurr - Sanctuary · January 2011

Barbs are supposed to be tanks, not DD. I'll leave it at that.

Obly - Dreamweaver · January 2011

Tygurr - Sanctuary wrote: »

Barbs are supposed to be tanks, not DD. I'll leave it at that.

Again true yes, but by PWE's changes and "Fixes" their original skills simply don;t cut it anymore.

That's the entire problem atm. at 2.5 APS sparked, most barbs already have a hard time keeping aggro.

But aside from the APS....how about the increase of the Damage output that has come into effect now. eg: Rank gears, Nirvana gears....

This makes a barb non capable with the old skillset to maintain aggro control..

anwynd · January 2011

Obly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I just hope that the expansion will bring some good changes and fixes to the game.

you and me bothb:surrender

_Thor - Raging Tide · January 2011

Wizards ignored???b:angryb:angryb:angryb:angry

anwynd · January 2011

_Thor - Raging Tide wrote: »

Wizards ignored???

i dont ignore wizards i have plenty of friends who love playing the wizard class and i do alot of stuff with them i take any class with me as long as you no how to play itb:victoryb:pleasedb:mischievous

Dragono - Lost City · January 2011

So its true what I've heard from "above" b:cry
Wizards have the same destiny like the Barbs

What about Psys and Clerics?
How does they handle 5aps?

And yes >>>I<<< need a year from 86 to 100 ^^
I needed more than 2 years from 1 to 86 and the Barb is main character xD

May I give up my Barb at 90 now

WnbTank - Archosaur · January 2011

Tygurr - Sanctuary wrote: »

Barbs are supposed to be tanks, not DD. I'll leave it at that.

That`s one of the reasons why barbs have problems finding squads, jeez. I`m not labeling you but the attitude "barb tanks always" is flawed, old fashioned and plain stupid at times. I seem to need to freaking beg the another barb in squad to devour, at times I get answer "I dd" and I just curse squading with those idiots as penetrate armor seems to be impossible skill for them to use too.

And getting so butthurt if the barb isnt tanking, doesnt happen with both being axe barbs but dear god the amount of hate I have to go trough due being clawbarb. I dont squad with other barbs unless they are friends/I cannot avoid it, I get simply trashed by those vit sage barbs cause I got lower hp than they do, lol. "I got more hp than you do, I tank", I rarely care to pay attention to that, simply cause I dont want to waste 2x the time needed to kill some boss due someones ego. Oh, I always make sure cleric is with me on that one, that sage barb can throw fits all I care.

To op: Simply adapt, accept you rarely tank with aps in squad as it`s ineffective. Debuff, if there is veno in squad, tell her to take her p.def debuff off macro as your devour is better, Cancel bosses that need it, help squad in ways you can and dont be a diva and use frighten too if you are in tiggy form, like you should, tanks like that

. You can also pick aggro on you for hit or 2 at times, just make sure squad follows you on this one and cleric wont start healing you. Be useful, help squad, and you get your squads, just not fastest squads, they got their own aps barbs, but that is something you have to accept unless you go claws. But nope, you wont be useless, but due your "humble" barb brothers, squads may be hard to find till you have created your own imago as long as you do make life easier for the squad and not just slow em down.

anwynd · January 2011

WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »

That`s one of the reasons why barbs have problems finding squads, jeez. I`m not labeling you but the attitude "barb tanks always" is flawed, old fashioned and plain stupid at times. I seem to need to freaking beg the another barb in squad to devour, at times I get answer "I dd" and I just curse squading with those idiots as penetrate armor seems to be impossible skill for them to use too.

And getting so butthurt if the barb isnt tanking, doesnt happen with both being axe barbs but dear god the amount of hate I have to go trough due being clawbarb. I dont squad with other barbs unless they are friends/I cannot avoid it, I get simply trashed by those vit sage barbs cause I got lower hp than they do, lol. "I got more hp than you do, I tank", I rarely care to pay attention to that, simply cause I dont want to waste 2x the time needed to kill some boss due someones ego. Oh, I always make sure cleric is with me on that one, that sage barb can throw fits all I care.

To op: Simply adapt, accept you rarely tank with aps in squad as it`s ineffective. Debuff, if there is veno in squad, tell her to take her p.def debuff off macro as your devour is better, Cancel bosses that need it, help squad in ways you can and dont be a diva and use frighten too if you are in tiggy form, like you should, tanks like that . You can also pick aggro on you for hit or 2 at times, just make sure squad follows you on this one and cleric wont start healing you. Be useful, help squad, and you get your squads, just not fastest squads, they got their own aps barbs, but that is something you have to accept unless you go claws. But nope, you wont be useless, but due your "humble" barb brothers, squads may be hard to find till you have created your own imago as long as you do make life easier for the squad and not just slow em down.

personnaly i dont get the barbs are allways the tanks crowd if they actually paid atention sometimes different tanks are better suited for different bosses. you have to be a complete noob to get up to a decent lvl and not have learned tht and doing your part for the sqaud was allways the main goal in my mind even before the aps craze came. use what ya got and learn when to use it is what i allways tell my friends. tht was my mentor and my first friends words to me once she started teaching me about the game bck in 08 i miss herb:cry

Valenya - Lost City · January 2011

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Let face to the truth.
You end up like we, wizards. Dead class or with minimum purpose.

You Miss, just broke my heart b:cryb:cryb:cry

Juggalobeast - Harshlands · January 2011

kingfoolish wrote: »

1 year to lvl to 100?
and you are lvl 86 now?

Get a full vit barb sage 100 fight any 100 sin n what not barbs still are beast n with ancestral rage are insane a full vit barb can 1 shot most class's with armageddon well my 98 barb got 1 shot by a 101 vit barb hti me for 21k o.o but he had nirvina axes that do 2.2-3.9k with zerk o.o any sage barb is beast lol when a barb sparks 90% of sin's psyic's wizzys n sometimes bm's run from us. barbs are still vary demanded not our faults ppl spend 1000's of $ on this game jsut to get 5.0 n full 10+ vit stones thats uncalled for hell i know a barb with 39.8k hp o.o tiger form tahts jsut scary he cant pk but if armagedodn hits everything around him drop's it funny includeing barbs xD sins still need barbs clerics n barbs go together no matter what b:laugh hell jsut for laughs watch a 100 demon barb spark n watch every sin run

Ninnuam - Sanctuary · January 2011

WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »

That`s one of the reasons why barbs have problems finding squads, jeez. I`m not labeling you but the attitude "barb tanks always" is flawed, old fashioned and plain stupid at times. I seem to need to freaking beg the another barb in squad to devour, at times I get answer "I dd" and I just curse squading with those idiots as penetrate armor seems to be impossible skill for them to use too.

And getting so butthurt if the barb isnt tanking, doesnt happen with both being axe barbs but dear god the amount of hate I have to go trough due being clawbarb. I dont squad with other barbs unless they are friends/I cannot avoid it, I get simply trashed by those vit sage barbs cause I got lower hp than they do, lol. "I got more hp than you do, I tank", I rarely care to pay attention to that, simply cause I dont want to waste 2x the time needed to kill some boss due someones ego. Oh, I always make sure cleric is with me on that one, that sage barb can throw fits all I care.

To op: Simply adapt, accept you rarely tank with aps in squad as it`s ineffective. Debuff, if there is veno in squad, tell her to take her p.def debuff off macro as your devour is better, Cancel bosses that need it, help squad in ways you can and dont be a diva and use frighten too if you are in tiggy form, like you should, tanks like that . You can also pick aggro on you for hit or 2 at times, just make sure squad follows you on this one and cleric wont start healing you. Be useful, help squad, and you get your squads, just not fastest squads, they got their own aps barbs, but that is something you have to accept unless you go claws. But nope, you wont be useless, but due your "humble" barb brothers, squads may be hard to find till you have created your own imago as long as you do make life easier for the squad and not just slow em down.

MARRY ME! b:dirty

Juggalobeast - Harshlands wrote: »

well my 98 barb got 1 shot by a 101 vit barb hti me for 21k o.o

LOL Seriously dude, someone should've told you barbs should wear HA, not arcane. Altho i bet you look cute in robes.

any sage barb is beast lol when a barb sparks 90% of sin's psyic's wizzys n sometimes bm's run from us. barbs are still vary demanded not our faults ppl spend 1000's of $ on this game jsut to get 5.0 n full 10+ vit stones thats uncalled for hell i know a barb with 39.8k hp o.o tiger form tahts jsut scary he cant pk but if armagedodn hits everything around him drop's it funny includeing barbs xD sins still need barbs clerics n barbs go together no matter what b:laugh hell jsut for laughs watch a 100 demon barb spark n watch every sin run

Umm, a demon sparked 5 aps sin melts through your average 20k hp like butter, even invoked. Bms and archers not so much, but sins.... Hide yo kids, hide yo wives and hide yo husbands coz they be reaping everybody out there.

Oh and, cool story bra on the 39.8k hp barb.

Obly - Dreamweaver · January 2011

Juggalobeast - Harshlands wrote: »

hell jsut for laughs watch a 100 demon barb spark n watch every sin run

You mean go Inivisable b:surrender

NiaJade - Harshlands · January 2011

Ryiah - Heavens Tear wrote: »

<snip> ..if you're assuming everyone plays for PvP, then your assumption needs to be reevaluated.

I have to agree...

Seems everyone's end goal is to make amazing armor/weps/equips for PVP, or your deemed a loser/fail.

The thing is, it is PVE that makes that $$ for you to accomplish these goals and that usually entails different builds, armor/weps/equips.

I like TW, but play for PVE.

_Spot_ - Lost City · January 2011

Dragono - Lost City wrote: »

So its true what I've heard from "above" b:cry
Wizards have the same destiny like the Barbs
What about Psys and Clerics?
How does they handle 5aps?

And yes >>>I<<< need a year from 86 to 100 ^^
I needed more than 2 years from 1 to 86 and the Barb is main character xD

May I give up my Barb at 90 now

My advise Dragono is no keep it and get to 100.

Why:

Well one reason is you level so slow that is best to keep ur 80+ char....b:laugh

Now main reasons...

At 100 you will get bhs that give rewards(some of them are quite good actually)

You get bhs on
GV(barb always needed on those)
Warsong (barb are good there mobs hit so dam hard that its awsome to have barb buffs and barb flesh real to keep them out of squishes)
TT (again buff important, dam bosses aoe one shot all but barbsb:pleased)
FB99(well you are not gold here but well this one are easy any classs can get squads here)

The only thing u gonna get screwed is Nirvana..
Anyway you can alwyas debuff bosses(P.armor/devour), and get that agro back when a aps squishy is about to die.....

Ppl usually on Nivana choose aps class to go to. But honestly(im aps too) i like going with barb,cleric, and 3 aps.....

With you barb buff, i get more hp with you titans i deal more dmg therefor i get more from bloodpaint, mking me a better tanker....

Trust me i did some nirvanas with no barb or cleric and its a god dam charm rapeb:shocked

_Spot_ - Lost City · January 2011

Oh and go demon, better debufs, more critical(you will need the extra ones to pvp)b:bye

zeyar · January 2011

To op: Simply adapt, accept you rarely tank with aps in squad as it`s ineffective. Debuff, if there is veno in squad, tell her to take her p.def debuff off macro as your devour is better, Cancel bosses that need it, help squad in ways you can and dont be a diva and use frighten too if you are in tiggy form, like you should, tanks like that . You can also pick aggro on you for hit or 2 at times, just make sure squad follows you on this one and cleric wont start healing you. Be useful, help squad, and you get your squads, just not fastest squads, they got their own aps barbs, but that is something you have to accept unless you go claws. But nope, you wont be useless, but due your "humble" barb brothers, squads may be hard to find till you have created your own imago as long as you do make life easier for the squad and not just slow em down.

QFW

There is also sage non aps barb on DW who is in my FL that i will go any Nirv, TT, Delta runs with .. Dsholder. U should ask him how he is wanted n welcome in any squad

and yes, i am 5 aps and i prefer not to go with low aps squads due to the reason that i mostly likely ended tanking unless another 5aps hard hitter in it, then the squad kill slow then tank for longer time b:surrender
I know this is just a game, but if it happens i get frustrated, so where is my enjoyment ?

Kupuntu - Sanctuary · January 2011

Low aps people and casters will still want a barb for nirvana. You won't be able to get in 5 mins Nirvana squads but...

It's still worth it because not everyone is 5 aps.

Is a normal Barb worth to be Leveled to 100+???

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