Is a normal Barb worth to be Leveled to 100+???

PayUpSucka - Heavens Tear

Sure Lvl The Barb, I'm A Sage Barb And Have No Problem Finding Squads. Just Know Your Role And The Sqd You Are In. Sometimes You Will Tank And Other Times You Are Support For The Team In Dd'ing, Devour, Alacrity, And In Some Cases Frighten. Spaming Those Skills Will Keep You Busy. And Im In Just Normal Tt99 Gear With Nothing Specail.

Yulk_owns - Lost City

WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »

Sure you do, you totally out dps ppl that do more dmg per hit than you, also hit over 5x faster. I`ll just go put my donkey hat on, I foolishly trusted in maths when it`s clearly inferior to Yulk power. Thanks for pointing this out!

Edit: Yeah, get lvl 11 buffs and you shouldn`T have too much problem finding nirvana squad, just dont expect to run too much with those aps squads.

I think axe archers are better off IJS. I am not tempted to go bother buying interval, even though I have a piece... It was an LA piece and I NPCed it because it only had -int on it and just a few elemental resistances , fire and metal.... I did not take the time to see how much people would buy it for really.

Also you are wrong about hard for barbs pre-99 finding squads, its HARD to find a barb for most things. I have tried FFs on my chars, saw world chats, people were even saying "PAYING A BARB FOR REPAIRS FOR FF SQUADS 80+ SQUAD READY!!" Seems you are not on nowadays? I see people in desperate for barbs ingame, and I do not mean claw barbs either... Are you going to be on by possibly 5 hours later? :x got things to do here. I would really like to see you play your clawbarb. At least TT1-2 run... b:surrender

Obly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

And this explains why engame dungeons (mainly Nirvana) let Barbs, Archers, BMs, Sins get left out of squads if they do not have enough APS, or any fists at all.."they'll just slow us down" Some1 once told me.

That is the hard fact now, if its a succes or fail build is completely out of the question. Its a requirement nowadays to get in with the action.

And normal barbs are indeed low end only, till 80-ish, maybe 90. But after that aps dominates the game's instances and squads, due to the very low threat the skills increase, and the short aggro control.

Not to mention that veno's are pretty much getting cast aside, but they have amp so they can come..now and then.

Wizzard, completely ignored, unless they need a delta, THEN they need em.

Hey, I don't trust randoms too much but I do agree with you, except for sins. The rest of the classes are left out of random nirvana squads unless they wear fists with at least 2.5 APS or more. But Nirvana (random is just one instance). It is said that it will be faster... Easier said than done, who knows. One thing, if I am not a heavy spender, I am definitely not going to follow the steps of the heavy spenders. Even if I was, I am pretty sure I would not pay for gears like that.

Wizard... you forgot about FF, and all of rebirth. You might not need them, you could be missing a class rather and still get FF done. AOE's are pretty useful there. As for rebirth alpha, beta, gamma and delta, wiz really needed. People still do FFs, but not much rebirths unless if its BH RB.

anwynd wrote: »

being the old fashion barb is still doable now adays all you need is some true friends or just make your own sqauds you might not get the instance done as fast as a aps sqaud will but atleast you can still do it and have fun doing itb:victory

Thank you most useful quote of the day. But its more simple that way.... I like the old fashioned way. I rather take 10 minutes to kill a boss normally than 1 hour trying to kill the boss faster than I normally can.

Tamias - Archosaur

Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »

Personally, I love barbarians.

And any 5aps character that thinks they are worthless is a fool.

Yes, if you use a 5aps fist/claws, barb skills will not be able to hold aggro off of you, but but a good barbarian is so much better than just being a damage sponge.

First off, barbarian buffs are priceless for a 5aps character: the extra damage is nice, the extra health can be a life saver.

Second, barbarian tanking skills can also be helpful or invaluable -- they can reduce your target's physical defense, but even better: they can cancel channelling which can turn an impossible fight into a survivable fight, and good barbarian can see when you are in trouble and reset aggro, pulling it onto themself. Typically, this will only absorb one hit, but that might be all you need to stay alive.

But, also, a 5aps character typically wants to fight a single target, and barbarians have wonderful crowd control abilities.

(Or, you can build a 5aps barbarian, but you do not have to go that route to be useful.)

The real problem with barbarians would be the idiots that do not understand nor appreciate them.

That said, currently, a lot of high level attention is focused on nirvana. Nirvana can be fun, but the most optimal way to run nirvana seems to be with one veno and five 5aps characters. A lot of things do not work in nirvana, or do not work well, which limits the usefulness of many other character types, and the damage is low enough, especially during the opening phases of combat, to be easily survivable by a 5aps tank. Its like the place was designed specifically for 5aps characters. But unless you are level 100+ now, this should not matter to you, because things will change when the expansion comes out.

OFT

Bolded parts are what I feel is very important. Alot of people going 5APS discard the "achetypes" and say they are useless. I beg to differ. It really comes down to how you play and its reflected by the group you're in. As for me, I'll be helping out my caster friends since they always get pushed out of Nirvanas and are either forced to by crystals form ppl or pray a chest falls out of a pack. Thats a horrid way to exist in my eyes. But I will have to wait until my pocket barb has his own comp again QQ.

Maybe thats why Im so irritated by all these claw ppl flying around-is that it feels like they don't apparently "value" classes other than their triple spark friends.(And I say it feels like, not that it is. If its a misconception it definitely isnt unfounded as seen by the attitudes of some ppl who come on the forums or how they treat ppl in game. Just to clear that up >_>) Yeah its fast and cost efficient for runs but in the end I never rolled what I did to be thrown out as useless and to not enjoy end game and challenges that are supposed to be brought with end game.

Anyways, on that note Im getting hungry again and this will be my only post in this particular thread.

Dragono - Lost City

So I've heard enough for the moment Im more confused than I was before that question xD
May some Barbs can share their Build/EQ and Costs hear so I can imagine what 5aps or non-5aps costs.

But its closed for the moment now

Edit: Im a 100% non-cash-shopper =(

Traz - Dreamweaver

Was worth every minute of time spent.

swgs

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

Also you are wrong about hard for barbs pre-99 finding squads, its HARD to find a barb for most things. I have tried FFs on my chars, saw world chats, people were even saying "PAYING A BARB FOR REPAIRS FOR FF SQUADS 80+ SQUAD READY!!" Seems you are not on nowadays? I see people in desperate for barbs ingame, and I do not mean claw barbs either... Are you going to be on by possibly 5 hours later? :x got things to do here. I would really like to see you play your clawbarb. At least TT1-2 run... b:surrender

It is ture, barbs are hard to find now. but, the question is hard to find for what? It is hard to find a barb for GV, for FF and FB 69 (if all 8x squad). at same time, barbs are not welcome in NV, HH and almost everything else barb can actually make some coins or have some fun.

I am a barb, I now only log in when friends need a barb for GV. no need to log barb for anything. even a good (not great) geared sin can tank HH and NV. Do not tell me to make a 5.0 barb, I will make a BM if want a 5.0 char.

AbdulK - Lost City

Dragono - Lost City wrote: »

Hey guys...
I dont wont to ask this cause Im afraid of the answers you all could give me...
But I do it now!!!

Like the title told you is a Barbarian really be worth to be leveled to Lvl 100+???
With "normal Barbarian" I mean the ones with axes or hammers and tanking with Fleash Ream and Roar in dungeons.

Many people may ask herself now "why not Barbs are often needed for tanking bla bla etc." but on my opinion normal Barbs are only needed until Lvl 100.
The only Barbs I see Lvl 100+ are Claw/Fists Barbs with 5.0 aps...
But the restating and the new EQ is a bit expensive for me O_O
So I would be a normal Barb with Lvl 100 unable to run NV cause nobody want a slow barb in their squad :<

So cause of that I ask you that now I would need about one year from now on to reach Lvl 100 with my Barb but if I couldnt do anything with him with that Lvl I start another class and dont waste a year for nearly nothing =(

I hope anyone understand me here b:cute

im a 5aps bm and tbh i prefer a non int barb for nv thne a 5aps barb
stupid aps barbs dont know what devour is.
if every1 in squad is 5aps xcpt the barb n the barb does devour then overall the squad would do more damage then a squad of 6 with a 5aps barb.

less pfdef FTW

WnbTank - Archosaur

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

I think axe archers are better off IJS. I am not tempted to go bother buying interval, even though I have a piece... It was an LA piece and I NPCed it because it only had -int on it and just a few elemental resistances , fire and metal.... I did not take the time to see how much people would buy it for really.

Also you are wrong about hard for barbs pre-99 finding squads, its HARD to find a barb for most things. I have tried FFs on my chars, saw world chats, people were even saying "PAYING A BARB FOR REPAIRS FOR FF SQUADS 80+ SQUAD READY!!" Seems you are not on nowadays? I see people in desperate for barbs ingame, and I do not mean claw barbs either... Are you going to be on by possibly 5 hours later? :x got things to do here. I would really like to see you play your clawbarb. At least TT1-2 run... b:surrender

Now you mind backing your argument with anything this time? Axes are worst melee weapon, disqualifing magic weps, for DPS. I think axes lose to bows too when it comes to DPS, though that may be mostly due high crit rate & dmg on bow coming from dex, not "useless" str. To put it simply, archer archieve nothing with axes when on other hand, both archers and barb archieve something with fists/claws.

Now you mind quoting me saying it`s hard to find squads as a barb pre-99? I might have said post-99 though I`d doubt that too. Most logical thing might be that I ment post when I said pre, but that`s just speculation as I got no memory out of it. I think I have said aps dont exist pre-99, thus barbs being able to be good tanks till that level. You seen any desperate WC`s for barbs 99+? Only delta is something where you really want a barb and tbh, any decent claw barbs can handle it easily.

Ps. I think I`ll be going to bed before tournament, been kinda long day so far, cant care to stay up to **** my charm in order to do something so simple freaking axe build could do, just with a lot more charm ****, granted..

Yulk_owns - Lost City

WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »

Now you mind backing your argument with anything this time? Axes are worst melee weapon, disqualifing magic weps, for DPS. I think axes lose to bows too when it comes to DPS, though that may be mostly due high crit rate & dmg on bow coming from dex, not "useless" str. To put it simply, archer archieve nothing with axes when on other hand, both archers and barb archieve something with fists/claws.

Now you mind quoting me saying it`s hard to find squads as a barb pre-99? I might have said post-99 though I`d doubt that too. Most logical thing might be that I ment post when I said pre, but that`s just speculation as I got no memory out of it. I think I have said aps dont exist pre-99, thus barbs being able to be good tanks till that level. You seen any desperate WC`s for barbs 99+? Only delta is something where you really want a barb and tbh, any decent claw barbs can handle it easily.

Ps. I think I`ll be going to bed before tournament, been kinda long day so far, cant care to stay up to **** my charm in order to do something so simple freaking axe build could do, just with a lot more charm ****, granted..

1. First axes were called the best melee weapon, now it became the worst? Axes low DPS to ranged weapons? You don't even need arrows to attack with axes... Well its typical for a newer player to think the popular ways. Most BMs used to ONLY use axes and they looked down on other weapons. Now you looking down on axes as a BARB? How are you going to flesh ream? Or even use invoke? Or even stun? Occult ice? Give me a good reason why axes are the worst melee weapon, it is darned useful, its just that you have no idea how to use them. Bows have only advantage of range, but its true archers should just use their bows, best idea infact.

2. Yes I have seen, people were paying for repairs too, I was one of the people that got payed to tank in FF for them too. Not from my 55 barb, but from my LVL71 barb, It was pretty scary since I was using calamity axes of blood since I could not sell it and had no other axes yet :x ... I could do 2-1 on barb instead of archer since they are way easier to play for me anyway. Anyway, I doubt you can do rebirth delta as a claw barb? Just auto attack waves? :x how will you keep aggro? I also don't even know you can take waves without some sort of healing since (I know I can take waves without any heal, just have to time, I have done it before) you will lose aggro to wiz / cleric / archer really easy if you were just using fists for delta. Maybe by then hopefully they have enough HP to take the pro of a common fist barb :x

3. Barbs, venoes and ofc heavy cash shoppers can handle anything easy, why? HP, DEF and pets. Besides, you do not have +9s yet, so you are not decent because you are wearing fists on a barb. I bet BMs with +4 can still steal aggro from you.... Cake for fist barbs in delta? LOL. I guess you like to have 100+ mobs stack on you... :x

Knownase - Heavens Tear

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

1. First axes were called the best melee weapon, now it became the worst? Axes low DPS to ranged weapons? You don't even need arrows to attack with axes... Well its typical for a newer player to think the popular ways. Most BMs used to ONLY use axes and they looked down on other weapons. Now you looking down on axes as a BARB? How are you going to flesh ream? Or even use invoke? Or even stun? Occult ice? Give me a good reason why axes are the worst melee weapon, it is darned useful, its just that you have no idea how to use them. Bows have only advantage of range, but its true archers should just use their bows, best idea infact.

2. Anyway, I doubt you can do rebirth delta as a claw barb? Just auto attack waves? :x how will you keep aggro? I also don't even know you can take waves without some sort of healing since (I know I can take waves without any heal, just have to time, I have done it before) you will lose aggro to wiz / cleric / archer really easy if you were just using fists for delta. Maybe by then hopefully they have enough HP to take the pro of a common fist barb :x

3. Barbs, venoes and ofc heavy cash shoppers can handle anything easy, why? HP, DEF and pets. Besides, you do not have +9s yet, so you are not decent because you are wearing fists on a barb. I bet BMs with +4 can still steal aggro from you.... Cake for fist barbs in delta? LOL. I guess you like to have 100+ mobs stack on you... :x

1. Axes do very little dmg compare to hitting with claws and fists at 5.0 aps. Its all exponential with -int. You do need axes, but claws @ 5.0 aps > Axes in terms of raw damage.

2. As a claw Barb, Delta is not a problem, infact its easy, they should make it harder. b:laugh

3. Again, Barb just needs to know their skills, Delta is a breeze....

Zenorx - Harshlands

"1. First axes were called the best melee weapon, now it became the worst? Axes low DPS to ranged weapons? You don't even need arrows to attack with axes... Well its typical for a newer player to think the popular ways. Most BMs used to ONLY use axes and they looked down on other weapons. Now you looking down on axes as a BARB? How are you going to flesh ream? Or even use invoke? Or even stun? Occult ice? Give me a good reason why axes are the worst melee weapon, it is darned useful, its just that you have no idea how to use them. Bows have only advantage of range, but its true archers should just use their bows, best idea infact."

Quote thing doesn't seem to be working so I just cut n pasted Yulks thinggy

Because of something called 5aps. Ever heard of that Yulk? 5aps has wayyyy more dps than axes hence why a lot of 10x barbs restat to claws.

And Yulk did you just suggest AN AXE ARCHER?! what the hell would be the point of that.

Yulk, you don't need to flesh realm in Nirvana with a 5aps squad.

"Also you are wrong about hard for barbs pre-99 finding squads, its HARD to find a barb for most things. I have tried FFs on my chars, saw world chats, people were even saying "PAYING A BARB FOR REPAIRS FOR FF SQUADS 80+ SQUAD READY!!" Seems you are not on nowadays? I see people in desperate for barbs ingame, and I do not mean claw barbs either... Are you going to be on by possibly 5 hours later? :x got things to do here. I would really like to see you play your clawbarb. At least TT1-2 run..."

You do realise barbs only restat to claws at 10x dont you? Sounds like you seem to think that there are 8x barbs running around doing FC lmfao.

Oh and 1 more thing
http://www.motifake.com/facepalm-lion-facepalm-demotivational-posters-55153.html
Its your 7x barb b:pleased

Chefstabs - Heavens Tear

Iam a pure sage barb both brimstones and rank 8 weapon and sage skills buffs
i get invited to alot nirvana runs full rb delta's 3-2- 3-3 runs with 20k hp i still get alot wrk
+ iam a cat barb too i think i go claws forget that i have a sin and archer for dd classs to wrk with

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

barbs are still worth getting to 100, because not everyone is 5aps...

Someone once made a comment that stuck with me; "you only see people asking for 5aps Nirvana squads on WC because they have trouble finding eachother."

And it's true when you think about it. I'm in a strong TW fac, and it runs multiple nirvanas. Are all of them 5aps? no, infact I'd say only 1/5 may be 5aps.

So if you still enjoy playing your barb, keep playing it. You'll always have usefullness.

Btw; saying that you don't want to spend alot of money in order to restat and buy new weapons etc just means that you couldnt be "worthwhile" on any class, since it cost alot for 5aps with a bm and sin

WnbTank - Archosaur

Yulk_owns - Lost City wrote: »

1. First axes were called the best melee weapon, now it became the worst? Axes low DPS to ranged weapons? You don't even need arrows to attack with axes... Well its typical for a newer player to think the popular ways. Most BMs used to ONLY use axes and they looked down on other weapons. Now you looking down on axes as a BARB? How are you going to flesh ream? Or even use invoke? Or even stun? Occult ice? Give me a good reason why axes are the worst melee weapon, it is darned useful, its just that you have no idea how to use them. Bows have only advantage of range, but its true archers should just use their bows, best idea infact.

2. Yes I have seen, people were paying for repairs too, I was one of the people that got payed to tank in FF for them too. Not from my 55 barb, but from my LVL71 barb, It was pretty scary since I was using calamity axes of blood since I could not sell it and had no other axes yet :x ... I could do 2-1 on barb instead of archer since they are way easier to play for me anyway. Anyway, I doubt you can do rebirth delta as a claw barb? Just auto attack waves? :x how will you keep aggro? I also don't even know you can take waves without some sort of healing since (I know I can take waves without any heal, just have to time, I have done it before) you will lose aggro to wiz / cleric / archer really easy if you were just using fists for delta. Maybe by then hopefully they have enough HP to take the pro of a common fist barb :x

3. Barbs, venoes and ofc heavy cash shoppers can handle anything easy, why? HP, DEF and pets. Besides, you do not have +9s yet, so you are not decent because you are wearing fists on a barb. I bet BMs with +4 can still steal aggro from you.... Cake for fist barbs in delta? LOL. I guess you like to have 100+ mobs stack on you... :x

1. I take part of sentence and forget what else was in the same sentence, yeah, that sort of arguing totally proves everything you are saying. I did say when it comes to DPS, worst weapon when it comes to pure, raw, DPS. Archers need low aps weapon for nothing, they got bows that infact hit harder per hit than axes, thus making spike dmg argument invalid. My point was, there is no reason for any class w/o skills to use axes when on other hand there are reasons to use claws/fists w/o them.

2. Now I`m farming my own pan gu tome, it would be rather stupid plan if I couldn`t do delta. I have finished several deltas with my claw build, only delta I ever failed was before restatting, with statistics my claw build is better for delta, but then again Lie, big fat lie, statistics. Now you idiot assume I dont use axes when they are useful? I see axes worst weapon when it comes to DPS, they still got their uses. I`m yet to fail run in delta with claw build, I`d say it shows I know what I`m doing. Sure some runs we have quit when somebody got their OHT culti boss done but that also means I take first timers with me, people who need help with their cultis.

3. Since when has gear affected my skills as a player? My claw build is lowish yet I`d call it decent already, I realize the facts, I know what I can and what I cant do. And like I said earlier, I`m yet to fail delta with my claw build, but I cant say I like those mobs on me, freaking 300k repairs after delta =/. Now I really wonder what you try to prove, that my hp is too low to do instances I have succesfully ran, quite a bit?

Ps. Why the **** would I FR when claws keep aggro ridiculously easier and also provide lot of dmg?