Deicides versus Hitman Legend

Errrr go Nirvana daggers/or rank8????

im trying to fin a new sever my pries are outrageous 925k-1m each gold wing throphy LG goes for +10vit stone 27m-32.5m it took me a feew weeks but on my server i hev TT matts and everything on a new server id get baerly and help or should i just stick on myne

LOL A sin is aggro? Ijs... don't need to prepare for it when we been living it since level 89

LeiMai - Raging Tide wrote: »

Hitmans out DPS R8 daggers with the same shards/refines and some -int gear. ijs.

That's only true if you assume that both setups have the R8 armor. If not, then you're comparing the following:

Hitman Legend:
G13
Interval -0.05
Maximum Physical Attack +284

Ocean Supreme Dagger:
G14
Interval -0.05
Maximum Physical Attack +370
Crit +4%

As you can see, Ocean Supreme Dagger comes out superior. Not to mention that the R8 armor has other good stats as well.

Hook and Thorn don't stand a chance against Hitmans, even with max shards and +5 on the Hook and Thorns. You cannot compare the two.

Of course not, it's a ridiculous comparison, as Hitman Legends are obviously superior.

And why would you switch to claws? Someone explain to me how doing less damage in a second is better just because you hit faster. You can't possibly be that desperate for more chi.

Probably has something to do with reaching permaspark. That makes it not only easier to get squads, since you're 5 aps, but it also makes playing the character easier as you only have to spark and attack, which you can put on a macro easily. So the difference is that you look like a really good candidate for a squad and you don't have to play your character.

There are two reasons why people would prefer the R8 weapon:
1. It's a stepping stone to easier 5 aps
2. It's easy to get

LeiMai - Raging Tide wrote: »

Ocean's Supreme Daggers don't have interval...

Um, did you even read the post? I said that Rank 8 armor does. If you count that extra -0.05 as a mod on the R8 weapon, it's better. That is, if you compare R6 armor and Hitman Legend against R8 armor and R8 dagger, Hitman Legend loses. And that's the fairest comparison you can get.

Comparing Hitman Legend and R8 weapon as they are is silly, since they have different pre-requisites. Using R8 armor with Hitman Legend gives Hitman Legend an edge that it doesn't naturally have.

What I'm saying, is that if you already have the 200,000 reputation and level 100, why would you get Hitman Legend? As far as I can see, the best advantages of Hitman Legend over other weapons are the lower level requirement and 2 sockets, which means that pre-100, it's vastly superior to anything else. At 100, it's still a good weapon, but not amazing.

Personally, I bought enough rep for Rank 6 with the rep sale. Even before that, I was considering Hitman Legend as a prospective weapon simply because it came with the pre-requisite of Rank 6. Rank 6 armor has defenses that are comparable to TT99. So Hitman Legend would come with the additional bonus of having a great armor. Similarly, Rank 8 comes with a really cheap -0.05, and a decent weapon as well. In fact, if you count the -0.05 to the Rank 8's advantage, then it places among the best weapons for endgame.

LeiMai - Raging Tide wrote: »

Sorry, i didn't realize you couldn't wear the R8 chest with the Hitman's Legend daggers. My bad.

Really now...? I'd expect a bit better of an attitude when I wasn't even taking a side at all.

Obviously, if you had Hitman Legend before the rep sale and bought Rank 8, it's the better option. If have Rank 8 already, getting Hitman Legend isn't the best option you have. If you have neither, then Rank 8 is the better option of the two.

Basically, if you have to choose either Rank 8 or Hitman Legend, Rank 8 wins, as the combined mods of the armor and the weapon are better than Rank 6 and Hitman Legend. If you already have Hitman Legend, getting Rank 8 is a valid option, as it's one of the cheaper -intervals you can get. If you already have Rank 8, getting Hitman Legend is a bit silly, as you'd have better options, such as Barrier Thorn: Nirvana or second cast Nirvana.

Also, you cannot really just compare the stats and say which one is better. Rank 8 shines to some people because it's easier to get than Hitman Legend. On the other hand, to some people Hitman Legend is better because you can get it 10 levels earlier and you can actually farm most of it.

Rank 8 also has the option of going with claws for an easy 5 aps.

Just like Rank 8 inherently comes with the armor, Hitman Legend comes with Rank 6 armor. Since I've personally gone through the process, I have no doubt that there are people to whom Hitman Legend was a choice because of the Rank 6 armor that comes as a pre-requisite. Similarly, Rank 8 weapon itself might be ****, but if you consider the Rank 8 armor, it's actually a good endgame weapon.

Personally, I'd rank the endgame weapons in the following order:
Barrier Thorn: Nirvana > Dark Death Thorn > Ocean Supreme Dagger > Hitman Legend

If all of the setups had the same armors (e.g. R8 on all), then I'd say:
Barrier Thorn: Nirvana > Dark Death Thorn > Hitman Legend > Ocean Supreme Dagger

If you were to take costs into account, then I'd say the following:
Ocean Supreme Dagger > Hitman Legend > Barrier Thorn: Nirvana > Dark Death Thorn

However yes, I am of the opinion that with the rep sale and Rank 8 being cheap as heck, Hitman Legend has risen up to be a proper endgame weapon, as it can now reach 5 aps without costing extreme amounts. Previously, there were people who were of the opinion that Hitman Legend was **** because you needed Rank 8 to get 5 aps with it, but now that argument has crumbled down, as the most expensive -interval item is Barrier Thorn: Nirvana, followed by Pan Gu Creator and finally Shadow Ashura Greaves.

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

If we are talking endgame, then I would include tome, and there's no reason why G15 dags will be behind G13. There are quite a few pairs of G15 dags with interval and zerk on my server, and those vastly out DPS G13 dags.

But that was kinda my point of ranking Dark Death Thorn below Barrier Thorn: Nirvana. You have to be extremely lucky to get the -0.05 interval and God of Frenzy.

With Rank 8 being cheap as dirt, Barrier Thorn: Nirvana shines even better as you can achieve 5 aps without Lionheart Ornaments, which means you can use a Puzzle Cube Badge and a Warsong Belt, which would provide massive defenses and more life.

Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »

I call bullsht. I restated HA for farming, but it turned out to be ok for PvP. As for out DPS claws at 5 APS with dags at 2.5, it depends on the build. If you are min STR claws then it's quite possible.

Sage daggers are not a bad pair, but lack of savage value compare to the claws make them an inferior choice, since OP is already going for Nirvana.

You do fine in PVP because your Nirvana HA gear actually gave you the defense and hp needed for fists sir >_> Or maybe I'm just not used to the build, seemed like I managed better with my old pure build b:chuckle

HamachiKama - Raging Tide wrote: »

Scratches head maybe its the way you worded it but um sounded like you said the R8 daggers have an int bonus b:bye

In the quote of me, I clearly wrote the following:

That's only true if you assume that both setups have the R8 armor. If not, then you're comparing the following:

After all, it's silly to assume that by default, you have both Hitman Legend and Rank 8.

hmm.. I never really looked into it but... isn't Rank 6 daggers like 100-200million or something like that w/ all those high priced badges? Better off using that money to guaranteed to have half your nirvana daggers already or to merchant with. Just Look at all those sins w/ r.6 daggers before they got their Nv Daggers. They no longer use it, look at it, & ouch, can't even sell it unless you want to npc it. That's just 100-200m coins worth of a weapon being useful for only a few months until you decide you want a better dagger. That's a lot of coins to re-farm, Ijs.