too tough

Cool I'm going to hit it and see what happens.

XauroraRAIN - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Cool I'm going to hit it and see what happens.

That didn't go so well. Well, It only does about as much damage as Virddis too me. But I forgot to kill the two Praco lol.

Azezoc - Archosaur wrote: »

i have done krimson already. it was a total bs. 10k exp for that nasty ****. what kind of idiocy is that? i though admit it was a lvl 89 sin without whose help big eye of doom wouldnt be possible for us to kill.he made a good work of it really fast.

this in fact was my point. that whats the deal with needing 80+ peeps to do lvl 50 work. hard is ok. but this is simply insane difficulty. i say this for i have played many mmo to epic lvls but this game is sure pushing my skills to the limit. i almost felt like im playing epic lvl bosses from my other games jst for some pathetic exp.

It's been said already that gear must be the problem. I have done it both as cleric and Barb , so my sugestion is to read up on a boss and find out what HP/Def you need to survive being one shoted. This is something i did when i use to play. I dont believe theres only one way to kill a rabbit but HP/Def is so important to surviveability.

Shards help alot .

When we was at Krimson we had a group laugh at us whilst we was waiting on the respawn.
Some smart Alec said a lvl 62 Barb cant tank Krimson. Well we was waiting on the respawn cause we had just killed him once and swaped another person in that needed it. So how wrong was that person ? .
I must add i was in a great faction back then, people were prepared to try and learn even if there was a possability of endless deaths.

I started life as a Barb on Sanctuary and read the forum section for every bit of help i could get, and did the same for my Cleric when i started him. I still made mistakes we all do, but i learnt from them. My Barb was never charmed either, as i couldnt afford them being out of work at the time.

I know its been said in other threads but, this is why i like people who at least try to work though the bosses on there first toon and not just opt for the easy option of Oracles and Hyper or using high lvl's. This is why back then it was fun to try, but nowdays sadly it seems most people are impatiant and just want to go from 0 to 100 in days.

Btw that last comments were'nt aimed at you b:chuckle you obviously want to learn to do the bosses .
This is one of the few threads lately where people have been offering help instead of insulting one another, so grats on making a good thread

ChopChop - Raging Tide wrote: »

I remmeber my first time trying 69 Pole/Nob can't remember which one it was . We had'nt read up on it (bad mistake b:chuckle ), and at first it all seemed to be going nice and steady. Then he debuffed and i hit the ground like a sack of bricks.

There was me ( Barb) , BM and 2 Clerics . Need i say we didnt realise pury was needed but we soon learnt and had a good laugh about it, as we were all friends .

I shuder to think if that had been a pug group what the reactions would have been lol .

My first time at pole was terrifying - guildies warned me over and over again to purify as fast as possible - and then boom, he one-shot me b:cry.

Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »

the NPC in front of TT that will give you some kind of gossip for money.

you mean the fengshuist, that tips you off to the level-60 hidden quest? if i'm not mistaken he shuts up after you complete the quest.

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »

you mean the fengshuist, that tips you off to the level-60 hidden quest? if i'm not mistaken he shuts up after you complete the quest.

no he does not shuts up. Unless they changed it. I have not been close to TT in almost a year.

Obly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

the helpfullness of players has decreased, ALOT!

agreed with everything till this point.
I personally believe it's the opposite, that the abundance of high lvls has caused an increase in players willing to help.
I mean have you seen the world chat? It's not uncommon to see people asking for something to do, a FB to help with, a bh to finish, a TT to assist with.

Now whether this is a testiment to the helpfulness of the players, or the lack of endgame content could be debated...b:shutup

Not every new player will cheat himself through the lvls on rep and hypers...
I play this game for my own fun, want to get good at playing my class and don't mind if i don't grow as quickly as other players do. When i do attack a monster i keep trying to find the best combo's to attack and i'm having more fun getting something as a result of hard work and many weeks of frustration over a quest i can't seem to get rid of Often i take time to explain a squadmember what i can do so they can benefit from my skills , many players sadly never read up on other classes unless they start playing one themselves. A wizz can be very usefull if he knows how to assist...

Dont be so hard on us newbe gamers please. There are new players that really like to take the time and try to learn as much about the class they are playing as they possibly can. Playing a Wizzard makes it hard to find squads that can use u on their fb's and when you finally get to a lvl you can do some damage you find that you have no clue what to do untill you try different attacks in the dungeon themselves....

I really like to solo - I also tend to shy out when i had to do an fb... And when i finally did dungeons i found out i can't learn a thing but run along. No time to ask, trying to keep up and getting killed. Always had to 'stand back and do nothing' while a high lvl babr or physical atacks class had to do the work... No fun - running after somebody and not being able to learn the routes or right way to take out the monster.

So i read a lot, try ask other players that play Wizzards also about their tips and go back many lvls to fb 19/29 and bosses to at least understand what i can do. I know i will get stronger, even more so now i finally got above lvl 60 and every lvl has been hard work to get to... There's much i dont know yet but i'm trying to play my class as 'best' as i can but
sharing yr experience or taking time to explain things to me is not always a waste of time. I'm always very thankfull if you take a moment to explain if i make mistakes or might get better results changing tactics.

Clandore - Lost City wrote: »

The old arrangement for jewel is usually with the main cleric healing/purifying the tank, and a second cleric healing the main cleric. However it would be a problem since you're getting one-shotted. A well-timed plume shell or apothecary powder may help.

I was succcessful in soloing this boss but I was level 95 or so and had to lure him to ground > run till edge of the cliff so he came to ground, then send my pet tanker to kill him. Only person in party was the quest holder and my friend, who did this before on his veno and verbally walked me through (but was not physically there to help).

I was fox form and soooo close to edge of that cliff it was not funny... So I guess there are ways.. but I was like *oh gosh.. he gonna kill me.... * etc..

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Uhh, people still do FB's -- world chat that you have tabs for one (wines too for those that need it) and guaranteed it fills up in seconds.

What is with people and this seeing through rose colored glasses ****? Just because you liked the game more 1 or 2 years ago doesn't mean the game has gone to complete **** and suddenly people aren't helpful. I've gone out of my way to help lowbies with BH29 39 51 59 and my wife just helped some random squad with her 5 APS 100 bm do a bh69 -- random squad. I can't tell you how many times there's multiple people joining the squad just to help. People are still very much helpful, you just have a negative perception of the game so that is all you are going to focus on. It's so easy to just whine and be negative and blame other people.

If we want to use your cynical tone about people, most created chat rooms and did world chats to do fb's not because they loved helping people but because those selfish **** wanted to use newbies for rep and xp. No, there's the same proportion of people helping today than before. Assuredly with hyper less are actually questing and more are doing oracles or hyper grinding or bringing a lowbie with a friend to FF but honestly little has changed with the game. Like every MMO I've played there are people who get tired of the game and want to blame the game for it, or can't adapt to changes that occur in every game.

Make FB bosses drop gems n ****, are you ****ing crazy? Peachblossom and Hellfire already drop skill books, some of them go for 10-25m. BH100s already give you 50 mirages and 2 ecstasys amongst other rewards. /inb4nobodydoesfb99s.

Oh and don't say I wasn't ever generous -- want a tip? Just before TB expansion release people were farming FB19 like crazy for the ring molds because the profit on those was insane. Expect something similar for this new expansion. Of course, more people know how to merchant so the profit margin will be slimmer. There's already nice equipment that drops from instances, but again, if all you look for are negative ****, that's exactly what you'll find.

Why wine get a charm n a friend or two i solo'd all my new barbs FB's alone without wines nore help maybe bc i know how to use barbs n not careless agro mobs u dont need to invoke when needed sunder when needed its relly easy if your pro im on HT on a new account with a 70 barb gotta love all vit Molds drop yea Theres alot fo molds that drop bh fb 99 is the funnist ones to do

you know what I want to see?
Current generation of players being given lvl 40-50 gear and setup against a NPC TW.
I wish I could be an observer on that. I wish I could see them deal with chainstun mobs in TW and how they will kill some of the bosses for 1k/Archos or Pume/Lost/Ether without even a single piece if TT60 gear.
That would be fun.

Players today lvl with FC and oracles. Get to 100 and have 4k-ish HP as LA and even less as AA.
Yesterday in BH Delta w2 a barb and a BM couldn't keep aggro off my wizard that was in DB without a weapon. WHITHOUT A FRIGGIN' WEAPON!!. And the Archer kept pewpew-ing mobs 1 by 1...

God I wish a wipe would happen in PWI and no packs sale for at least 1 yr. At least for 1yr after player skill will matter.

Sorry, Gems was ment 2 be SHARDS, naturally.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Uhh, people still do FB's -- world chat that you have tabs for one (wines too for those that need it) and guaranteed it fills up in seconds.

I never said no1 did FB's anymore....and ofc people still do them...(although more and more i see people joining when they have their BH there, not otherwise.)

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What is with people and this seeing through rose colored glasses ****? Just because you liked the game more 1 or 2 years ago doesn't mean the game has gone to complete **** and suddenly people aren't helpful. I've gone out of my way to help lowbies with BH29 39 51 59 and my wife just helped some random squad with her 5 APS 100 bm do a bh69 -- random squad So do I. I can't tell you how many times there's multiple people joining the squad just to help. People are still very much helpful, you just have a negative perception of the game so that is all you are going to focus on. It's so easy to just whine and be negative and blame other people.hmm....i agree, but that does not alter some1's opinion...i never stated it to be a fact.

I still like the game..although it has clearly changed, to a point where the attitude of the players it attracts and the social aspect has changed. And this new breed of players...have a destinct attitude, but generally donlt play long anyways..so i don;t really care about them, but i do care about the effect they have on the other players that start or recently started, or very old players that are getting sick of them, loosing the good ones, keeping the fast and easy players...low in skill, high in lvl.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Make FB bosses drop gems n ****, are you ****ing crazy? Peachblossom and Hellfire already drop skill books, some of them go for 10-25m. BH100s already give you 50 mirages and 2 ecstasys amongst other rewards. /inb4nobodydoesfb99s.

Sorry, Gems was ment 2 be SHARDS, and the BH100 rewards are utterly worthless in the current market. Mirages sell for around 18-20K on DW atm, but this is only due to the recent sales runs. Not to forget the vast amounts on the market due 2 the "fixed" tw reward system...

2 Exstasy cards? I do the BHs daily, i think i can still use 2 hands to count the amount of times i actually got that as a reward, usually its the US packs.

50 Mysterious chips...meh....should be 150 to make something of a point.

@Azezoc
Grats on getting down Jewelscalen b:victory

Also do note that the forum population is only a small fraction of the actual ingame population. Most of the people playing the game rarely check the forums, except if they want to find information on something, etc.

You will find many high lvls helping out on BH runs, bosses, etc due to wanting a change to their routine stuff (nirvana, grind, tt, bh, etc).

Also I am always in a double mind to help low level people. Not because that I dont care about them but more so that they have a better chance to learn on how to best play their classes in instances.

A higher level person helping lower level people would basically mean the lower level need not push themselves beyond 25% of what they actually need to if they did the same thing with a person of their own level.

For example, a BH39 (usually meant for 5x or a person with tabs) can be literally steamrolled by a single 9x without buffs or even heals or for that matter even pots. So if a BH or god forbid a person who needs the FB goes with a whole bunch of 9x, they would literally learn 0 from the instance run by itself.

So yea, if people are blaming the newer generation for lack of skill/ability they are also to blame themselves since the newer generation would have asked for help from higher level people and got it.