Wizzy/Caster APS

Like he said, make a 5 aps char yourself if you wanna farm so badly

Interval builds have been ruling pve for over 1 year, not like people didn't have time to adjust and lvl one up themselves. Instead they stand in Archo for months, QQ-ing about unbalance and lack of Nirvana for casters, its kinda lame. Stop being so passive and lazy seriously, not like it takes time to get a BM/Sin to 100+ <_<

We allready got +30 attack blessing and than rank8 weapon for 72 bucks that both highly benefits casters in pvp. Any adjustment to casters dps at this point would make pvp pretty much impossible for mele classes.

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

Like he said, make a 5 aps char yourself if you wanna farm so badly

Interval builds have been ruling pve for over 1 year, not like people didn't have time to adjust and lvl one up themselves. Instead they stand in Archo for months, QQ-ing about unbalance and lack of Nirvana for casters, its kinda lame. Stop being so passive and lazy seriously, not like it takes time to get a BM/Sin to 100+ <_<

We allready got +30 attack blessing and than rank8 weapon for 72 bucks that both highly benefits casters in pvp. Any adjustment to casters dps at this point would make pvp pretty much impossible for mele classes.

Why should I make APS class because of dev. stupidity? When i started nobody didn't tell that this game will f*** up by the time for magic classes.

Ruxal - Harshlands wrote: »

If we raise wizzard dps to match that of a 5 aps bm or sin we create 2 new problems:

1) we pull agro in instances and mess up parties since we do not have the survivability of a bm or even a sin.

2) We become rediculously overpowered in PvP.

One solution though might be to replace frostblade (we do not need anymore melee attack buffs) with a threat reduction buff. However that still leaves the PvP damage issue.

In my opinion aps just needs a nerf period.

See half of these people are not even at the level to farm endgame instances but are ******** already. Think for a minute: why can't wizards just form their own squads with a barb and farm endgame instances themselves? Because they can't do it without spending hours and hours in there and wiping repeatedly. You're all missing the glaringly obvious fact that endgame instances cannot be comfortably farmed without APS DDs, thus is why people *****. Nerfing APS does nothing to help you. Have you been to a 3-3 without enough APS DDs? Have you even been to 3-1?? Do you know what that's like? Nerfing APS is not going to include wizards in farm instances, that's just going to force MORE exclusive-APS squads because you would need the DD that much more to not get ***** trying to farm.

Nerfing APS means wizards will never see the inside of a 3-x TT ever again while before they might be in on some "friend squads with some 5.0s". Obviously the solution should be changing PvE instances: making the 3-x bosses not **** that hard and making permaspark DD not that important to a successful run.

Wow, many of you guys here are plain r3tarded. Interval/APS has ruln BOTH pvp and pve.
Self explainatory for pve part.

Now, the pvp. There is little chance casters can face equally geared APS classes in pvp. I see people mentioning about casters killing aps classes before they even reach em. lol? With magical marrow/anti-stun sprint/pots/domain. Not possible. Its not even possible to survive once they land a stun on ya. yeayea....domain/expel bla bla bla. I am sorry but sins and bms can manage to keep them stunned through the whole duration of expel. And domain is a lol, takes almost all your genie energy. APS classes can use occult ice twice with that amount of energy. Take note that APS classes just need less than 5s to kill a caster equally geared. And with that many stuns/seal/occult ice/freeze and that little skills to resist them, domain/expel, casters dont really stand a chance.

Interval should not even come into the game. It was fine when int gears were non existent. At that time, casters/archers have higher dps than bms, and still,both pve and pvp were somewhat balanced. And then here comes the dev, giving true emptiness to them. (as if zerk wasnt enough), and now the interval gears. Wiz/Archers were considered DD, bms were for Aoe/Stuns/secondary tank, barbs were the main tank. Take a look now. Bms are the tanker, bms are the true DD (same goes to sin). Wiz are roflcopter, archers are lmaoplane and barbs are lolboat. They can all go back to loltown and cry in a corner.

Really, APS hasnt broken the game.

I fear the melee's HP more than their APs... if they can't reach me, it's nothing to fret over.

However, an archer with 4 APS with a bow is something to fear.b:shocked Face 4 APs afar or 5 APs up close. Lose/ lose situation for casters. Thankfully, I've only run into one or two with this ability since most seem to stop once they acquire 5 APs up close.

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »

Highest you can get now is below 1.5 aps...demon saprked

Are u sure?

Saturday - Harshlands wrote: »

Wow, many of you guys here are plain r3tarded. Interval/APS has ruln BOTH pvp and pve.
Self explainatory for pve part.

Now, the pvp. There is little chance casters can face equally geared APS classes in pvp. I see people mentioning about casters killing aps classes before they even reach em. lol? With magical marrow/anti-stun sprint/pots/domain. Not possible. Its not even possible to survive once they land a stun on ya. yeayea....domain/expel bla bla bla. I am sorry but sins and bms can manage to keep them stunned through the whole duration of expel. And domain is a lol, takes almost all your genie energy. APS classes can use occult ice twice with that amount of energy. Take note that APS classes just need less than 5s to kill a caster equally geared. And with that many stuns/seal/occult ice/freeze and that little skills to resist them, domain/expel, casters dont really stand a chance.

Interval should not even come into the game. It was fine when int gears were non existent. At that time, casters/archers have higher dps than bms, and still,both pve and pvp were somewhat balanced. And then here comes the dev, giving true emptiness to them. (as if zerk wasnt enough), and now the interval gears. Wiz/Archers were considered DD, bms were for Aoe/Stuns/secondary tank, barbs were the main tank. Take a look now. Bms are the tanker, bms are the true DD (same goes to sin). Wiz are roflcopter, archers are lmaoplane and barbs are lolboat. They can all go back to loltown and cry in a corner.

Really, APS hasnt broken the game.

100% truth.

I have to say the reason i dont invite venos/wizzes/eas to squads i want to go fast is not becuase they lack the dd, but rather becuase they are friggin squishy, and rarely have the gear to back it. I know more than one wizz that will tke agro is dead before i can switch targets, add in if im talking to anyone or look away for a min its a disaster. I find the magic classes have either had a harder time farming or care more about channel and attack than survibilty and tend to have crappy gear unless they are big cash shoppers- look at soome of the new rank 8 wizzes running aroudn with +2 and 3 armor/weapons, yeah it was easy to get but it stil sucks at those refines -i know more than one wizz/ep that should have kept their greens at least till they could have afford to use the 8 more appropriatly

tweakz wrote: »

You could say the same for BMs in Warsong. I agree about the rank 8. It's defenses suck as it is. I got just the top for the -ch, the 2nd tier Nirvana pants blow the r8 pants away. We could also point out how BMs aren't holding aggro against multiple mobs anymore because most focus on 1-1 now.

BMs never could hold aggro on multiple mobs in the first place. Get aggro yes. Hold aggro, no never. That's why once upon a time people used the assist attack function to dd the one mob the bm/barb was hitting, while their weak sauce aoes were enough to keep the clerics safe from heal aggro. One tempest/wiz ulti/two-three barrage iterations and the bm would loose aggro even if he was spamming aoes.

But you know, people actually had to lrn2play back then. Now you just charge zen, +10 everything and solo the game.

Saturday - Harshlands wrote: »

Wow, many of you guys here are plain r3tarded. Interval/APS has ruln BOTH pvp and pve.
Self explainatory for pve part.

Now, the pvp. There is little chance casters can face equally geared APS classes in pvp. I see people mentioning about casters killing aps classes before they even reach em. lol? With magical marrow/anti-stun sprint/pots/domain. Not possible. Its not even possible to survive once they land a stun on ya. yeayea....domain/expel bla bla bla. I am sorry but sins and bms can manage to keep them stunned through the whole duration of expel. And domain is a lol, takes almost all your genie energy. APS classes can use occult ice twice with that amount of energy. Take note that APS classes just need less than 5s to kill a caster equally geared. And with that many stuns/seal/occult ice/freeze and that little skills to resist them, domain/expel, casters dont really stand a chance.

Interval should not even come into the game. It was fine when int gears were non existent. At that time, casters/archers have higher dps than bms, and still,both pve and pvp were somewhat balanced. And then here comes the dev, giving true emptiness to them. (as if zerk wasnt enough), and now the interval gears. Wiz/Archers were considered DD, bms were for Aoe/Stuns/secondary tank, barbs were the main tank. Take a look now. Bms are the tanker, bms are the true DD (same goes to sin). Wiz are roflcopter, archers are lmaoplane and barbs are lolboat. They can all go back to loltown and cry in a corner.

Really, APS hasnt broken the game.

Apparently all the mages on HL suck.

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Unless they're rank9 or Dralighte, yeah they pretty much all suck.

Yeah, I was gonna say, it's not hard to faith/AD/immune/vacuity/*insertotherskill* and avoid being stunlocked by a BM.

Besides, most fist/claw BMs are LA hybrid with horrible hp and mdef. With marrow up, just drop a sutra raep rock and be done with it.

An equally geared mage may have a slight disadvantage but it shouldn't be too tough to kill a BM unless you're absolutely horrid or undergeared.

Sekmeth - Raging Tide wrote: »

lol someone said "It was fine when int gears were non existent" I should remind you that even before PWI is was possible to get -0.30 int rather easy even -0.35, that makes almost 4 aps with demon spark. So high aps was possible a long time ago.

All the hate i find funny People always need to blame something for their inability to play well. One class will always be better than others. People blame APS ppl because they cant do nirvana/TT ... like someone is stopping them to make team ... ohh wait barbs cant hold aggro to all those r8/r9 wiz/archers/psy out there. Instead of being happy cause good tanks that can hold aggro. Remove APS as you still wont do what you didn't do by now.

APS is the solution people found to a broken aggro system at high level, it;s not the problem itself.

Also for pvp APS means getting into range, any half decent archer/wiz can kite and kill bm before can get into range. Just run for 15s ... nice thing blaming other people for lack of skill, sounds like hypocrisy to me. Only real OP aps class in pvp is sin, as they can just stealth and ambush no matter what you do ( even then there are few ways to fight that, but you need to actually know the game for that).

People QQed about herc venos long time ago, now QQ about 5 aps, tomorrow QQ about "looking for R9 +12 barb for nirvana please so all we APS haters with r9 weapons dont die in 15s when we steal aggro" ...

Read this. And think. You are totally wrong. This happened when people really don't know the game like you.

Credit to Saturday
Now, the pvp. There is little chance casters can face equally geared APS classes in pvp. I see people mentioning about casters killing aps classes before they even reach em. lol? With magical marrow/anti-stun sprint/pots/domain. Not possible. Its not even possible to survive once they land a stun on ya. yeayea....domain/expel bla bla bla. I am sorry but sins and bms can manage to keep them stunned through the whole duration of expel. And domain is a lol, takes almost all your genie energy. APS classes can use occult ice twice with that amount of energy. Take note that APS classes just need less than 5s to kill a caster equally geared. And with that many stuns/seal/occult ice/freeze and that little skills to resist them, domain/expel, casters dont really stand a chance.