Wizzy/Caster APS

Denarius - Heavens Tear

Now a ton of people are crying about how -int has broken the game.
In retrospect I find that to be true, aps created an unbalanced game and casters are knocked from the PVE scene by the infinite amount of aps characters.
Shown by multiple people Casters don't stand a chance at doing the dps a 5 aps BM can and with R8-9 showing up everywhere I agree there's no real way for Casters to catch up to a 5 aps toon.

No matter what point you may make, currently a caster has no real contribution for a squad for nirvana etc and yes crying about it is very logical and understandable because I for one suffer from it too.

Nevertheless, we can remain hopeful because the minute Casters get even something trivial like 2 aps we'll be able to cause the same amount of DPS as any other BM or sin out there, so we can wait patiently because PWI are gold diggers who'll eventually buff wizards instead of nerfing aps, that way we can improve and PWI can get more money, it's a win win situation.

So do not fear we'll get what we deserve in return eventually, if it's -chancast or better buffs or just a revamped skill tree, casters have been awesome and with just a small tweak, can become fearsome again.

Tamias - Archosaur

The mechanics are there its just that PWI hasn't given you the tools to exploit it. Like how APS/Fist/Claws used to be laughed upon PWI gave them the means to cause trouble. In a few months, PWI will give magic users the ability abuse their skills.

Even now, when I talk to some barbs their worst fears are not 5 APSers but a nuking from a wizzy. b:cute

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Probably they will reverse the position .

With new adds on from earthguard expansion (semi hoax) double spell !! b:chuckle

Gives chance for magic based skill to hit 2 times of what it supposed to be . . b:bye
[heal included]

Denarius - Heavens Tear

haha then that'll be one of the first things to change, although I rather wizzies be powerful on their own and not from some other classes buff.

tweakz

We dont need APS. We have EVERY other advantage!

Denarius - Heavens Tear

That's really not true Tweakz, we have no advantage at speed or attack rate, our real advantage is power and range. Now range these days doesn't mean much with BMs flying around + holy path + stuns or a Sin's stealth, power on the other hand is great for PVP.

But I'd rather be good at PVE and make money than **** people at TW.
TW pay isn't really worth it anymore and aps characters are still strong in PVP when it comes to 1 vs 1.

I do agree we beat the pack when it comes to AoE but other than that I also want to be able to solo TT in under an hour xD.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Denarius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I do agree we beat the pack when it comes to AoE but other than that I also want to be able to solo TT in under an hour xD.

What makes me lazy to play my caster class . . b:laugh

Drsok - Harshlands

There are rellly no problems with the 5aps becides getting a squad in the higher instances like nirvana.

My friends that are casters can easily take out a 5aps bm and a sin if they use the genie skill expel or holy path to get away.

5 aps is kinda laughable in pvp. they would have to get right on top of you to do that but even then you can expel or use a pot.

Wizzys are still very useful in TW and FC just like an archer. IF they made them more powerful they be OP in pvp.


The problem today is they need to have pvp and pve balanced on pwi which is because of if you impove pve someone will use that in pvp and could be a problem.

Tamias - Archosaur

Drsok - Harshlands wrote: »

There are rellly no problems with the 5aps becides getting a squad in the higher instances like nirvana.

My friends that are casters can easily take out a 5aps bm and a sin if they use the genie skill expel or holy path to get away.

5 aps is kinda laughable in pvp. they would have to get right on top of you to do that but even then you can expel or use a pot.

Wizzys are still very useful in TW and FC just like an archer. IF they made them more powerful they be OP in pvp.


The problem today is they need to have pvp and pve balanced on pwi which is because of if you impove pve someone will use that in pvp and could be a problem.

But Harshlands besides Lost has the most broken pieces of caster work out there, what are you talking about :P *wishies she could abuse Expel but her genie isnt stated corrctly for it* Yeah main concern is always always always that darn Nirvana instance. In all my random squads I have never seen hide nor hair of a Wizzy and it saddens me a bit. b:surrender

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide

Casters can get 2.2 APS.

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=021c85b8d13df298

Drsok - Harshlands

Tamias - Archosaur wrote: »

But Harshlands besides Lost has the most broken pieces of caster work out there, what are you talking about :P *wishies she could abuse Expel but her genie isnt stated corrctly for it* Yeah main concern is always always always that darn Nirvana instance. In all my random squads I have never seen hide nor hair of a Wizzy and it saddens me a bit. b:surrender

the thing i thought that would make casters better is channling to me thats kinda like interval but for skills. Even though skills have cool down i think demon makes those cool downs less.

My friend can cast gush, pyro, etc in a sec or two and wizzys are dhp based. Could you immagin getting hit by 4 spells that hit really hard in a few sec?

Ha sets are afriad of magic casters already and having that ability would make it where they didnt wanna come out of safezone at all.

Really only problem is getting a squad in nirvana as i stated in my first post on here

maybe they can make a wepon that all classses could use that require very low str lower then daggers, bows, around what magic casters can hold. this would make all classes have a melee wep and have a choice of 5aps i guess

and make another set that only do maggic dammage 5aps magic fisted wizzy :P i see wizzys everywhere screaming "run bm run!! >:D"

but thats just a funky idea

Quilue - Sanctuary

getting hit by 4 spells that hit really hard in a few sec would be Sutra

ArchSaber - Sanctuary

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide wrote: »

Casters can get 2.2 APS.

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=021c85b8d13df298

Wrong, casters can get 5.0 http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=80ac5876e6df0fe8 (wind shield spam)


NOW STOP COMPLAINING WHEN I HAVE ASCERTAINED THAT ALL CASTERS CAN GET 5.0! Now shaddap.

FateMakerr - Heavens Tear

ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wrong, casters can get 5.0 http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=80ac5876e6df0fe8 (wind shield spam)


NOW STOP COMPLAINING WHEN I HAVE ASCERTAINED THAT ALL CASTERS CAN GET 5.0! Now shaddap.

I don't think 5aps claw is quite what we were looking forb:sweat

Fresh_Aire - Dreamweaver

In before tweakz comes in to try and defend broken game mechanics.....b:surrender

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

why should a class that can easily do 200k damage a hit be able to do that damage 5 times a second.

why does this stupid thread keep showing up. really.

threepointone

Imho, if you see a 5aps BM coming at you, and you're either a Cleric/Wizard/Psychic/Veno and you can't kill it before it gets to you, then you've dont something wrong.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

tweakz wrote: »

We dont need APS. We have EVERY other advantage!

yes! yes! We have all the other advantages!!!

We totally own the control skill department with our badass chain stunning!
We also have an abundance of speed buffs to make kiting easier!
Nice high returns from refining our AA armor, I mean having a +5 robe give the same hp as a +2 platebody is totally advantageous!
No one will ever see me coming with my wizard stealth!
Our awesome hp pool makes us impossible to kill!

Yes, we have EVERY other advantage there is to have!

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

threepointone wrote: »

Imho, if you see a 5aps BM coming at you, and you're either a Cleric/Wizard/Psychic/Veno and you can't kill it before it gets to you, then you've dont something wrong.

defintly, what with their anti-movement debuff skill combined with ironguard powder, we should defintly be able to drop a bm loooooooong before they get to us.

Jadsia - Lost City

threepointone wrote: »

Imho, if you see a 5aps BM coming at you, and you're either a Cleric/Wizard/Psychic/Veno and you can't kill it before it gets to you, then you've dont something wrong.

Most of the time they come at me from above off their fly mounts and stun me before I even have a chance to defend myself. I'll be experimenting with absolute domain and just keep my nix out in defend mode when that happens again though.

Ruxal - Harshlands

If we raise wizzard dps to match that of a 5 aps bm or sin we create 2 new problems:

1) we pull agro in instances and mess up parties since we do not have the survivability of a bm or even a sin.

2) We become rediculously overpowered in PvP.

One solution though might be to replace frostblade (we do not need anymore melee attack buffs) with a threat reduction buff. However that still leaves the PvP damage issue.

In my opinion aps just needs a nerf period.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

quit complaining people, our time is coming soon enough...

Fist_Mama - Harshlands

why complain as ive stated before you can have a 5aps character too. why are you trying to not give people there moneys worth. people worked hard and paid alot to be 5ap, why should they not get what they paid for? again you can be 5aps too! so stop complaining.

Ruxal - Harshlands

Fist_Mama - Harshlands wrote: »

why complain as ive stated before you can have a 5aps character too. why are you trying to not give people there moneys worth. people worked hard and paid alot to be 5ap, why should they not get what they paid for? again you can be 5aps too! so stop complaining.

1) I will not stop complaining because you told me to.

2) I do not want 5 aps because I am playing a wizard, we use spells to dd we do not do melee damage.

3) I want to be relevant in PvE instead of being overlooked for the classes who are doing far superior dps. As a wizard I am a dd but compared to a bm/sin @ 4/5 aps my dps is well below theirs. Sure in PvP I could beat them but same goes for them if they get me stun locked.

4) I worked just as hard just to be where I am now. In fact I have to work harder because I have to press the buttons on my keyboard more times (huge lol) than you do. Macros are nice but we suffer from something called interrupts, furthermore running macros can be dangerous at times, hence why I prefer to manually input my skills.

5) As for monies paid, I have to pay just as much as you my friend, don't think r8 is the be all end all of wizardom. Any well geared char has to use a lot of money.

Fist_Mama - Harshlands

Ruxal - Harshlands wrote: »

1) I will not stop complaining because you told me to.
thats your choice but w/e keep whinning
2) I do not want 5 aps because I am playing a wizard, we use spells to dd we do not do melee damage. yes yes i know i have a wizard but i quit it to start a bm for farming.
3) I want to be relevant in PvE instead of being overlooked for the classes who are doing far superior dps. As a wizard I am a dd but compared to a bm/sin @ 4/5 aps my dps is well below theirs. Sure in PvP I could beat them but same goes for them if they get me stun locked. you are relevant in pve. the only instance i dont see wizards in is nirvana.
4) I worked just as hard just to be where I am now. In fact I have to work harder because I have to press the buttons on my keyboard more times (huge lol) than you do. Macros are nice but we suffer from something called interrupts, furthermore running macros can be dangerous at times, hence why I prefer to manually input my skills. if you worked as hard as a 5aps character did you would defnetily not be complaing.[COLOR="cyan"] no one uses macros in pk but in pve they seem to work sometimes! but i allso manually click/push my skills[/COLOR].

5) As for monies paid, I have to pay just as much as you my friend, don't think r8 is the be all end all of wizardom. Any well geared char has to use a lot of money. yes i know again i have a wizard and know the cost.

answer in cyan

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear

Fist_Mama - Harshlands wrote: »

answer in cyan

*head desk* Uhm no, we would complain because for all our work and money we still get shafted for runs unless we have friends. And also I hardly See Wizzies taken anywhere in high instance other then Rebirth. Everyone is too busy with getting things done fast fast fast fast. Forget about other people farming their gear. Its sad if you have to re-roll your class jsut to get a run, and BTW, Stating for 5aps as an arcane class is stupid, it kills your ability to do anything arcane wise!

Okeano - Harshlands

Ohlookanotheroneofthesethreads.

Fist_Mama - Harshlands

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear wrote: »

*head desk* Uhm no, we would complain because for all our work and money we still get shafted for runs unless we have friends. And also I hardly See Wizzies taken anywhere in high instance other then Rebirth. Everyone is too busy with getting things done fast fast fast fast. Forget about other people farming their gear. Its sad if you have to re-roll your class jsut to get a run, and BTW, Stating for 5aps as an arcane class is stupid, it kills your ability to do anything arcane wise!

i see wizzies being taken in FC all the time again the only instance i dont see wizards gettin into unless its a faction run is nirvana. i rerolled my class for farming not to get a run. and ill see if i can find the build but someone had a pw calc of a 100 wizz at 4aps base and was wearing the rank8 mage top. ill c if i can find it

Dakaruch - Lost City

All of you QQ ****** have 1 easy solution. Make a aps char for pve and quit complaining. Or else just gtfo.
I can actually tell you i do nirvana with anyone... Except qq magic classes that constantly complain they can't get parties because they can't compete with a 5 aps bm/sin/whatever.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Fist_Mama - Harshlands wrote: »

i see wizzies being taken in FC all the time again the only instance i dont see wizards gettin into unless its a faction run is nirvana. i rerolled my class for farming not to get a run. and ill see if i can find the build but someone had a pw calc of a 100 wizz at 4aps base and was wearing the rank8 mage top. ill c if i can find it

You must not do many Nirvanas then. I see wizards quite often. Not as much as sins bm's and archers (ignoring that 99.9% of squads need a cleric too) but like psychics they can find squads, especially with friends.

Fist_Mama - Harshlands

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You must not do many Nirvanas then. I see wizards quite often. Not as much as sins bm's and archers (ignoring that 99.9% of squads need a cleric too) but like psychics they can find squads, especially with friends.

i see wizards but not as much as i see sins/bms