Pwi Before or Pwi Now?

Elviron - Dreamweaver · December 2010

@Eoria
Yes the TT mats are a lot harder than the lunar mats themselves.

PWI has moved from a pure farming type of game to one where you can farm (but its more difficult than before) and you can buy (made easier so that people would spend on the game)

This did not affect game balance in any way since all the interval gear (except the tome) were attainable previously as well, but a lot harder.

In essence, with the sale, PWE just fast forward time to where they have many end game players with the gear they wouldve expected to attain in like 2~3 yrs or so b:chuckle

Calling a game dead because you cant do it as easily as a cash player is kinda inaccurate. Yes it is unfair but if that level of unfairness had not been introduced, people would not cash shop to begin with.

To be honest, would you cash shop if there were only mounts and fashion in the boutique? The materials can be got from grinding, teleportation scrolls are really not needed but some use it for convenience, socket stones and orbs are usually used by endgame people only (some use it as lower lvls but its not much), esos were perhaps being used earlier on to lvl slightly faster. But thats about it. None of these would really attract people to spend RL money.

Now put in equips which take quite a long time to farm....you have a whole bunch of people willing to spend every dime to get them since it would mean they can jump into action right away without having to spend probably months to get them.

So yea, it favours some people, it hurts some others. If packs werent there, I believe some of them wouldve quit since they wouldnt be able to compete with a no-lifer farming instances 16 hrs a day <.<. Either ways there was always a group of people getting the brunt of it.

I believe PWE just did what was more profitable for them seeing as how there would always be dissatisfied customers.

Fresh_Aire - Dreamweaver · December 2010

Personally....I liked PWI better when it was Pay to Play. At least those of us who paid weren't being totally screwed like we are now. I stopped buying packs the minute they put endgame gear in them, and I haven't bought a single one since. IMO, they don't deserve my money if they're going to wreck the hours I spent in game, farming my gear, because they're being greedy.

To those of you claiming that the company ISN'T greedy.....

Look at forsaken world.
Now back to PWI
Now look at forsaken world.
Now back to PWI.
Sadly, this isn't forsaken world. But if your company stopped being a greedy bunch of money hoarders and spent some of that money fixing major issue in game, it COULD be LIKE forsaken world.
Look down, where are you now? You're browsing the forums, looking at posts and remembering what the game was like before.
Look up, now look again-- You're back in Old PWI, actually enjoying your game time.
Turn around, what's in my hand? It's the gear you COULD have farmed two years ago with a little effort.
Look down, now back up again, the gear is now DUST.
Anything is possible when the people managing your company are money sucking vampires-- I'm donating a kidney to get a new mount.

Uriah - Raging Tide · December 2010

PWE has taken a lot of fun out of this game and has made the people who have been playing for awhile feel like their accomplishments are totally worthless now.

Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, there is a problem. The problem is that this company went from offering good customer service/support to just blindly grabbing fistfuls of dollars while trampling all over the people that play this game.

Lag sucks in the game. Rubberbanding and other glitches are rampant now. There is no GM support unless one pops into game to tell people they can't do something that people have been doing for six months. There is no live 24 hour support which is advertised by the company.

This company makes $6mil a year off of its customers. And any time one of those customers needs help with something, or has a complaint, they are blatantly ignored.

The reason a lot of us don't just "shut up and move on" is because we are watching money hungry people destroy something that was really fun just to try to make their profits go up just a little more, and i guess we hold onto the hope that something will change. In the meantime PWE is clearly spending less of their earnings on things like basic support and maintenance.

I actually took the time to contact them directly to try to make a difference. But everyone else just cowls down and says "Oh well, they'll do what they want and there is nothing we can do about.....Oh, cheap packs!!!"

Maybe we should all just move on. All of us dissatisfied customers that are keeping this company in business. The main question thus far seems to be "But where will we go?"

I have an idea. I'll make my own game. You get to make a virtual character and dress it up however you want to. Everyone that plays sends me as much of their "disposable income" as they can afford. And whoever sends me the most is the winner.

Oh wait. I can't do that. I might get sued for copyright infringement...

Healforwimps - Heavens Tear · December 2010

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Before: QQQQQQQQQ

After: QQQQQQQQQ

Any questions?

(The obvious answer is people have been complaining since the start of this game -- listening to complaints only makes you think the game sucks instead of forming your own opinion by playing)

There was a lot less complaining at game start,infact if i remember correctly it was almost a paradise compared to todays O.o

Eoria - Harshlands · December 2010

Healforwimps - Heavens Tear wrote: »

There was a lot less complaining at game start,infact if i remember correctly it was almost a paradise compared to todays O.o

Rose-colored glasses make everything that happened in the past look better.

tweakz · December 2010

Just skimmed the first couple pages and was surprised that even after the OP's second post that it wasn't recognized as a troll post?

ok lets think i want a cash shop mount, i hear the gold now is 900k and cash shop mount cost is 10 gold.. how manny time i need to get 9millons ?

just a example please im so confuse

-lol: haven't even played the game and asking about mounts?

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · December 2010

u so smrt tweak

you should prove us, why aps isnt broken also

Born_Free - Harshlands · December 2010

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

u so smrt tweak

you should prove us, why aps isnt broken also

.....O of korze aps R nawt brokez....el oh el. Y u think aps broke?! NU! EEZ NAWT! QQ!

But of course Eoria, better to see them in Rose colored glasses than look at this MESS in the same prospective: there's nothing rosy about a franchise taking a swan-dive into a concrete pool headfirst. But of course, that would be considered trolling to complain about legitimate problems....my bad.

EDIT:

Look at forsaken world.
Now back to PWI
Now look at forsaken world.
Now back to PWI.
Sadly, this isn't forsaken world. But if your company stopped being a greedy bunch of money hoarders and spent some of that money fixing major issue in game, it COULD be LIKE forsaken world.
Look down, where are you now? You're browsing the forums, looking at posts and remembering what the game was like before.
Look up, now look again-- You're back in Old PWI, actually enjoying your game time.
Turn around, what's in my hand? It's the gear you COULD have farmed two years ago with a little effort.
Look down, now back up again, the gear is now DUST.
Anything is possible when the people managing your company are money sucking vampires-- I'm donating a kidney to get a new mount.

Quoted for epic. Old Spice conquers all!

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear · December 2010

Healforwimps - Heavens Tear wrote: »

There was a lot less complaining at game start,infact if i remember correctly it was almost a paradise compared to todays O.o

Au contraire...

Complaining has been on the menu here since the game started, it's just a lot less thought out nowadays (though a lot funnier, I'll give it that).

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · December 2010

shame, they were discussing it, for 78 pages and noone told them to s.t.f.u. and gtfo

where was anti-rage police back then? =(

Healforwimps - Heavens Tear · December 2010

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Rose-colored glasses make everything that happened in the past look better.

No not really,there was a lot less complaining,people ingame were a happier bunch,it only started getting bad when the nix came along and the forums began getting flooded with complaints,only other thing i can remember that was even a little controversial was rare pets being killed when others tried taming them lol

I'm talking about this version only btw,but if you think it was as bad then as it is now,you shoulda went to specsavers.

NightRage - Raging Tide · December 2010

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Au contraire...

Complaining has been on the menu here since the game started, it's just a lot less thought out nowadays (though a lot funnier, I'll give it that).

Oh look a GM actually trying to address concerns.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · December 2010

Uriah - Raging Tide wrote: »

PWE has taken a lot of fun out of this game and has made the people who have been playing for awhile feel like their accomplishments are totally worthless now.

Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, there is a problem. The problem is that this company went from offering good customer service/support to just blindly grabbing fistfuls of dollars while trampling all over the people that play this game.

Lag sucks in the game. Rubberbanding and other glitches are rampant now. There is no GM support unless one pops into game to tell people they can't do something that people have been doing for six months. There is no live 24 hour support which is advertised by the company.

This company makes $6mil a year off of its customers. And any time one of those customers needs help with something, or has a complaint, they are blatantly ignored.

The reason a lot of us don't just "shut up and move on" is because we are watching money hungry people destroy something that was really fun just to try to make their profits go up just a little more, and i guess we hold onto the hope that something will change. In the meantime PWE is clearly spending less of their earnings on things like basic support and maintenance.

I actually took the time to contact them directly to try to make a difference. But everyone else just cowls down and says "Oh well, they'll do what they want and there is nothing we can do about.....Oh, cheap packs!!!"

Maybe we should all just move on. All of us dissatisfied customers that are keeping this company in business. The main question thus far seems to be "But where will we go?"

I have an idea. I'll make my own game. You get to make a virtual character and dress it up however you want to. Everyone that plays sends me as much of their "disposable income" as they can afford. And whoever sends me the most is the winner.

Oh wait. I can't do that. I might get sued for copyright infringement...

+100 Totally true.

Airyll - Dreamweaver · December 2010

Oh my god it's Airy.

I used to stalk these forums a huge amount and play the game as if it were an addiction. Back in the "good old days" this game was amazing and I loved it for what it was; pretty graphics with a variety of classes that actually had a role without needing to give up anything about their class.

Is this game dead? No. No it is not. The new players that join this game don't even have the slightest idea about what they're joining. Most people don't check these forums to find out. The new players on PWI think they're joining a game that's the absolute **** in their eyes and hey, if that's what floats their boat, they can have at it.

But in general, the things this game used to be about don't exist any more. The values this game used to have, including many of it's social aspects, have been ousted in place of greed and lack of care. Social circles are not what they used to be; people now have their select little group of friends and most won't dare to step outside of that because the new generation of players sucks complete ***. Don't like hearing that? Tough cookies, suck it up, because it's the damn truth and most of the old players worth their "veteran" status they cling to so badly should know it.

I wonder how many of the "QQabouttheQQgameisdead" trolls are honest when they defend this game. I wonder if they actually dare to step outside the social circle of friends on this game if they still play it. Chances are, they don't. They keep to themselves and the few people they know because as much as they flash their e-peen around while screaming about how this game is still worth anything of value, they also know that the new generation of players on this game aren't worth spending time with or wasting time on. People can get to the level cap and not know a damn about the class they play and PWE has only ever encouraged this.

Archers aren't worth a **** any more if you aren't 5aps and using claws or rank 9. Fact. If you're an archer and you use anything less than 5aps claws or rank 8 bow at you're side you are now worthless to this game. PvE, and PvP. In PvP because you will be completely steamrolled and then told to go **** yourself, because how dare you not have rank 8. In PvE because you just don't go fast enough for everybody else.

Wizards lost their value long before I quit. They don't even have the real option of being 5aps, so all they can do is sit on the sidelines and PvP because it's the only real thing they're good for. And of course, that's assuming they have epic end-game gear.

Barbs are a near extinct species. They don't need to tank any more because everything dies in twenty seconds. They either need to be APS, or they need to GTFO and go play with their little nubby not-5aps-friends because they're the only people who still need tanks.

Venomancers I foresee being completely replaced by Mystics, but I could be wrong. Either way, you're either a Herc venomancer or you're nothing. Better yet, the 5aps class is even ousting the venos, too. Who needs to lure one at a time and use teamwork when you can just mess those ****ers up and not even need to worry about needing heals?

Clerics are the only class that doesn't actually need to go 5aps. Kudos to you, clerics, you have survived the 5aps take over simply because they need da healz. And even then, I heard stories of clerics who weren't geared in Lunar or Nirvana getting turned down.

Nothing is good enough for anybody any more unless you have the end game gear. If you aren't 5aps, if you aren't +6 or above Nirvana, if you aren't rank 8, the majority of players in this game will label you the most worthless piece of **** you could imagine yourself being. As such, you aren't likely to find many people questing any more either to befriend, because most of them hide away in dungeons like the little instance ****** they are, leeching off BH because it's the only thing people know how to do any more.

Is this game dead? No.
Has it changed? Yes.
Has it changed for the better? As far as I'm concerned, no if you:
a) worked for their gear and then got shat on by the company when it was later sold for a day's wages
b) couldn't cash shop fast enough to keep up with the crowd
c) were a veteran player who enjoyed this game for the social aspect that used to exist, and the fact that once upon a time not everybody was 5aps and you did actually have to use teamwork if you wanted to beat a dungeon

For all the new players who don't know what this game used to be, it's just another ****ing game. I pity them, really, they have no idea what they missed back when this game was really fun to play.

krittycat · December 2010

Wow Airyll...way to make a splash with your first post in a while. o.o

I try to defend the game and my reasons for playing, but I can guarantee that people would discount it as me defending it because I'm a moderator. However, that isn't the case. Rather, I volunteered to be a moderator because I love this game and would defend it strongly.

I actually see quite a few squads looking for barbs (the barbs going extinct is kinda sad, but true), but it's mostly for FCs or Delta, which is above my level.

And before you ask, I intend to keep a semi-obsolete build alive...pure-vit Sage barb. Maybe, just maybe, something will change...

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · December 2010

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Oh my god it's Airy.

I used to stalk these forums a huge amount and play the game as if it were an addiction. Back in the "good old days" this game was amazing and I loved it for what it was; pretty graphics with a variety of classes that actually had a role without needing to give up anything about their class.

Is this game dead? No. No it is not. The new players that join this game don't even have the slightest idea about what they're joining. Most people don't check these forums to find out. The new players on PWI think they're joining a game that's the absolute **** in their eyes and hey, if that's what floats their boat, they can have at it.

But in general, the things this game used to be about don't exist any more. The values this game used to have, including many of it's social aspects, have been ousted in place of greed and lack of care. Social circles are not what they used to be; people now have their select little group of friends and most won't dare to step outside of that because the new generation of players sucks complete ***. Don't like hearing that? Tough cookies, suck it up, because it's the damn truth and most of the old players worth their "veteran" status they cling to so badly should know it.

I wonder how many of the "QQabouttheQQgameisdead" trolls are honest when they defend this game. I wonder if they actually dare to step outside the social circle of friends on this game if they still play it. Chances are, they don't. They keep to themselves and the few people they know because as much as they flash their e-peen around while screaming about how this game is still worth anything of value, they also know that the new generation of players on this game aren't worth spending time with or wasting time on. People can get to the level cap and not know a damn about the class they play and PWE has only ever encouraged this.

Archers aren't worth a **** any more if you aren't 5aps and using claws or rank 9. Fact. If you're an archer and you use anything less than 5aps claws or rank 8 bow at you're side you are now worthless to this game. PvE, and PvP. In PvP because you will be completely steamrolled and then told to go **** yourself, because how dare you not have rank 8. In PvE because you just don't go fast enough for everybody else.

Wizards lost their value long before I quit. They don't even have the real option of being 5aps, so all they can do is sit on the sidelines and PvP because it's the only real thing they're good for. And of course, that's assuming they have epic end-game gear.

Barbs are a near extinct species. They don't need to tank any more because everything dies in twenty seconds. They either need to be APS, or they need to GTFO and go play with their little nubby not-5aps-friends because they're the only people who still need tanks.

Venomancers I foresee being completely replaced by Mystics, but I could be wrong. Either way, you're either a Herc venomancer or you're nothing. Better yet, the 5aps class is even ousting the venos, too. Who needs to lure one at a time and use teamwork when you can just mess those ****ers up and not even need to worry about needing heals?

Clerics are the only class that doesn't actually need to go 5aps. Kudos to you, clerics, you have survived the 5aps take over simply because they need da healz. And even then, I heard stories of clerics who weren't geared in Lunar or Nirvana getting turned down.

Nothing is good enough for anybody any more unless you have the end game gear. If you aren't 5aps, if you aren't +6 or above Nirvana, if you aren't rank 8, the majority of players in this game will label you the most worthless piece of **** you could imagine yourself being. As such, you aren't likely to find many people questing any more either to befriend, because most of them hide away in dungeons like the little instance ****** they are, leeching off BH because it's the only thing people know how to do any more.

Is this game dead? No.
Has it changed? Yes.
Has it changed for the better? As far as I'm concerned, no if you:
a) worked for their gear and then got shat on by the company when it was later sold for a day's wages
b) couldn't cash shop fast enough to keep up with the crowd
c) were a veteran player who enjoyed this game for the social aspect that used to exist, and the fact that once upon a time not everybody was 5aps and you did actually have to use teamwork if you wanted to beat a dungeon

For all the new players who don't know what this game used to be, it's just another ****ing game. I pity them, really, they have no idea what they missed back when this game was really fun to play.

VERY GOOD written. b:victory
I'm, telling this couple months already.

Airyll - Dreamweaver · December 2010

KrittyCat wrote: »

Wow Airyll...way to make a splash with your first post in a while. o.o

I try to defend the game and my reasons for playing, but I can guarantee that people would discount it as me defending it because I'm a moderator. However, that isn't the case. Rather, I volunteered to be a moderator because I love this game and would defend it strongly.

I actually see quite a few squads looking for barbs (the barbs going extinct is kinda sad, but true), but it's mostly for FCs or Delta, which is above my level.

And before you ask, I intend to keep a semi-obsolete build alive...pure-vit Sage barb. Maybe, just maybe, something will change...

Well, if you know me, you know I'm prone to the odd long makes-a-lot-of-sense-even-if-you-don't-necessarily-agree post now and then. I haven't posted here in a long while; I first dropped out of the game and then forums grew incessantly boring not long afterwards. I left not too long after several notable posters did; the forum didn't have the same feel as it did before and a lot of the fun felt like it had been drained from it.

I can say I'm pleased to see you got some form of moderator, though. I frowned in great distaste at the way voting was handled and who won (QQmoar that I don't like Fuzzy and oh god how could I not jump on the "third person is so cute" bandwagon kthnx.) Possibly one of the better decisions that this forum has seen in a while.

On that note, good luck with your build. Sage barbs weren't too common but I find them a great deal of fun to play on other servers that I shall not name, lest I break rules, and in a way it is kind of sad that there was always a great lack of them on PWI. If times do change and barbs with nice, sexy HP pools are needed, you'll certainly be more popular than the 5aps demon barbs around right now.
... although, you know, we might be asking for a miracle. After all, somebody needing a class that's not 5aps and not a cleric? Unheard of.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide · December 2010

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Is this game dead? No. No it is not. The new players that join this game don't even have the slightest idea about what they're joining. Most people don't check these forums to find out. The new players on PWI think they're joining a game that's the absolute **** in their eyes and hey, if that's what floats their boat, they can have at it.

I've been preaching this for months b:laugh The new players will never know what they're missing, and even if they visited the forums and saw all the nerdrage, they'd simply tack it up as being the old players trying to feel good about themselves and the game they used to play (and I'll have to admit I even think that sometimes)

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Clerics are the only class that doesn't actually need to go 5aps. Kudos to you, clerics, you have survived the 5aps take over simply because they need da healz. And even then, I heard stories of clerics who weren't geared in Lunar or Nirvana getting turned down.

This is suprising. I had thought that bloodpaint canceled out any need of clerics.

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Nothing is good enough for anybody any more unless you have the end game gear. If you aren't 5aps, if you aren't +6 or above Nirvana, if you aren't rank 8, the majority of players in this game will label you the most worthless piece of **** you could imagine yourself being.

I find this to be the opinion commonly found in somebody who used to be part of the "endgame wtfpwn gear" crowd, but was ousted from the crowd somewhere down the line by a sale.
You're mad because you cant get a squad with the best geared people that used to beg for you to join them, and now you have to squad with the people that are considered "below par" endgame gear.

Truth be told, there are plenty of squads doing Nirvana and the such without -int chars, they're just much slower.

Airyll - Dreamweaver · December 2010

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

I've been preaching this for months b:laugh The new players will never know what they're missing, and even if they visited the forums and saw all the nerdrage, they'd simply tack it up as being the old players trying to feel good about themselves and the game they used to play (and I'll have to admit I even think that sometimes)

Between the automatic assumption that old players complaining are only whining to grab attention, troll, reminisce on the "good old days" and the anti-QQgameisdead police, a lot of new players are lead to believe that what most people have to say is bull****. It's a sad sight when several well thought out and well formatted posts are tossed off as QQs and nonsensical babble, because they normally make very good points.

This game is not dead.

But it has seriously changed, and for people who enjoyed the social air to the old PWI, where you would go out, grind, meet other people, make friends, perhaps even start factions together and then go out helping others grind and so on, it's not an enjoyable game at all. That social aspect has been largely lost to BH. Player skill has also taken an ungraceful dive into the blue oblivion.

The game went from being too much of a grind fest (and I will be the first to admit it was) to a game that babied you through it every step of the way and made it way too easy.

This is suprising. I had thought that bloodpaint canceled out any need of clerics.

For the most part, it does, but I still see a good number of squads that ask for clerics. Bloodpaint generally means clerics are unneeded, but in the case of a freak accident or emergency where a squad member dies or does need healing, people like to know a cleric is their to save their rear end.

I find this to be the opinion commonly found in somebody who used to be part of the "endgame wtfpwn gear" crowd, but was ousted from the crowd somewhere down the line by a sale.
You're mad because you cant get a squad with the best geared people that used to beg for you to join them, and now you have to squad with the people that are considered "below par" endgame gear.

Truth be told, there are plenty of squads doing Nirvana and the such without -int chars, they're just much slower.

Some of the people who have that opinion are part of that crowd. As such, I'm not. I've never been in possession of true end-game gears (I'm not even at a level where I can use Lunar, my avatar speaks truth.) I am, however, jaded to an extent, at how easy this game has begun. It used to be that TT99 gold was about as rare as it came, and having TT90 green was an achievement.
Naturally, over time as the game grew, this would have lessened the more players reached the level. That I won't argue.
But it was the manner in which everything was made so damn easy and so sped up that makes people angry. I had to work my rear end off to find squads to get me into a Twilight Temple run and then I had to battle it out and hope enough of the good mats drop for me to pick one, because drop order was all the rage back then. People don't even need to consider farming TT any more unless they want to make money, because you can buy just about every single bit of it without much worry.

So yeah. Again, people who complain about how they got shat on by PWI are commonly people who worked hard for their gears, but ended up ousted when a sale came along. However, if you spend several months to farm good gear, only to find the game then puts gear five times better on sale for your daily wages, you have a right to be annoyed and angry.

Hell, I'm angry and I didn't come close to truly being uber or end-game. The speed at which you can basically "win" this game is absolutely damn ridiculous, and the fact that you really do have to be a 5aps character if you want to get into runs more often than once a month is just ridiculous. And sadly, that's exactly how it is. Your one group of friends that don't mind doing is slow is great, but they are a minority.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide · December 2010

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Your one group of friends that don't mind doing is slow is great, but they are a minority.

There's more than one group, infact there's probabally about a third as much squads like this as there is -int squads. Whether thats because we have a young server, or people that don't cs as much, idk.

Airyll - Dreamweaver · December 2010

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

There's more than one group, infact there's probabally about a third as much squads like this as there is -int squads. Whether thats because we have a young server, or people that don't cs as much, idk.

You speak as if your server is an accurate representation of the entire game (although yeah, at the end of your post you do attribute that it could just be your server.)

I speak on behalf of people across multiple servers, however. Many people have been led to quit this game over the past few months, including several well geared, end game people. When they leave, their small circle of friends is one person short. Then another friend leaves. Then another.

This is why squads are in such a state. Most people are in a rush to get it done quickly so they can make as much money as possible and, while there are squads willing to go slowly, they are again the minority. Worse yet, the recent generation of terribad players who don't truly understand how to play their class encourage people to squad only with their friends. The people they know won't fail.

That is what this game is comprised of now. It's why so you either do well or barely do anything at all. It's why this game has become terribly anti-social in comparison to the way it used to be. These are the people you now have:

- 5aps, do it all as fast as you can, if you aren't the best you aren't invited people.
- 5aps, do it all as fast as you can, I might take a slightly under geared guy on a run if I am a really good friend of his.
- not 5aps, do it in the time it takes us, don't ever squad with randoms because they have a high chance of sucking and killing us all.
- the exceptionally rare not 5aps, do it in the time it takes us, I will take the risk and squad with randoms because people out their might not necessarily all suck balls

The latter really is exceptionally rare. Most people stick to their group of friends and don't invite outsiders in because they are paranoid of the failure. Somewhat understandably, I'll be honest.

Maybe it is just because you're on RT, I don't know. I'm not necessarily saying I speak the gospel truth, either, and I'm not saying there aren't squads out there that will squad with the lesser geared. But these squads are rare and hard to find due to people's unwillingness to take it slowly and squad with people they don't know.

NightRage - Raging Tide · December 2010

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

There's more than one group, infact there's probabally about a third as much squads like this as there is -int squads. Whether thats because we have a young server, or people that don't cs as much, idk.

I can make up statistics too.

95% of the playerbase quit playing within the last year.

I bet my made up statistic is closer to the truth.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · December 2010

Shulkie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

it's funny how they hang about the forums like a bad smell is more like it. I don't know how much enjoyment can be had from continually posting bad press comments about a game you no longer play but it speaks much for an empty life if this negativity is a high spot.

your urge to defend silly game (instead of just playing it) like it was something very important, shows how meaningless your life is.

ofc hun, i have no idea about our irl life, thus, what i just wrote is pure c.r.a.p.

thats why, it is good to keep discussion content-related

when you go to college (i assume that you are young) you will -hopefuly- learn, that, if in debate, someone try to disapprove opponent in personal way, it shows, that person dont have any valid arguments (and it pretty much 'disqualifies' him as debater).

you watch too much politics in tv

Pwi Before or Pwi Now?

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