Pwi Before or Pwi Now?

pois0ned

Hello im so noob but i like hear and learn, ppl said the game IS DEAD i want know why? how was the game time ago and how is now? what change? can some1 give me a example please? that i dont know manny about the game so i dont know that ppl said about R9 R7 BLA BLA that all i hear about now the game is dead cause it.. can some1 give me a nice explain please?
im just lvl 35 im enyoining the game and ppl said the game is better after lvl 50.. i want make instances because im cleric..

Note: I play online games but im not a cash shoper addict, can i live in this game whitout buy zen with dollars? im from venezuela ( south america) and here we can just use 400 $ per year, sound bad eh?... yes my country is falling down

so i can work HARD and have all those can have a cash shopper? or really the game is broken?..


hoping nice replys.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Yes anyone can get endgame gear. It requires a lot of time and patience -- cash shopping is for getting your **** right now, or for a large initial investment into merchanting.

If you find yourself bored at 35 I don't think you'll find yourself less bored at 50 or 80 or 101. Either the game is fun for you or it isn't. Just don't listen to "game is dead" nerdragers for any logical advise -- ask yourself why they would bother trolling forums posting that if it were really true, instead of playing another game.

Before, after, just worry about the present.

Llux - Sanctuary

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Before, after, just worry about the present.

This. Just play and figure out how things work. You'll realize if this game is for you or not.

Alasen - Heavens Tear

If you want all the things a cash shoper can get w/o spending RL cash..... good luck on that. stuff's so expensive it's imposible. unless you can leave anoher pc on and run a cat shop all the time and even FIND a nich in the merchanting.... It IS possible... eventually... to get anything in the cash shop with in game coin. Honestly the game isn't dead. In fact alot of things are alot cheaper now then they were back when gold was like 150 or 200k.

You CAN play this w/o spending a dime, and even be decent (or great depends what you put your time into) with gear. All I can say is try it, find some nice people to play with, and ignore the childish spamming on WC from the minority morons lol..... there IS a blacklist (albeit rather short one......)

pois0ned

Wow thanks for fast reply..

ok lets think i want a cash shop mount, i hear the gold now is 900k and cash shop mount cost is 10 gold.. how manny time i need to get 9millons ?

just a example please im so confuse

Vibba - Sanctuary

The game is not dead, it still has the biggest population out of the free MMOs I've tried. However, it is kind of messed up with all these Rank8-9 stuff and APS. PVE is enjoyable with decent 3star gear, TT and Legendaries, these are cheap and can get them without spending real money. Only PVP freaks need epic gear to compete other cash shoppers, but I don't care about PVP, or if you really want to make a 5APS char (costs about 600 million coins or so?). If PWE nerfs 5aps, high lvl PVE will be fun for magic classes once again (FCC, Nirvana). My country is poor too and I only spent 20 dollars on this game, my Cleric is lvl 101 and can heal just fine with TT90-99 gear that was 100% farmed in game. b:victory

Edit: 10 gold mounts are usually 1-2million coin/s. xD Also, 30-40 dollar ones are 6-8mil, so you don't have to pay 40 x 900k, that would be ridiculous.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

more info about subject : http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=938282 b:cute

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver

pois0ned wrote: »

Wow thanks for fast reply..

ok lets think i want a cash shop mount, i hear the gold now is 900k and cash shop mount cost is 10 gold.. how manny time i need to get 9millons ?

just a example please im so confuse

uh, u dont want to buy a mount from the cashop... there are mounts u can buy from a npc for ~2mil. also, people sell mounts waay cheaper (less than 1mil for a "common" mount).
i got my mount for 5mil, it's max speed and quite nice. anyway, 3mil can get u a max speed mount if u wait a bit to find a good bargain.

3mil, well, i would say that u can make that in 6-10hours.

pois0ned

ok thanks, can some1 tell me how was pwi before and how is now? why manny ppl is mad about new changes?..

thanks.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

pois0ned wrote: »

ok thanks, can some1 tell me how was pwi before and how is now? why manny ppl is mad about new changes?..

thanks.

Before: QQQQQQQQQ

After: QQQQQQQQQ

Any questions?

(The obvious answer is people have been complaining since the start of this game -- listening to complaints only makes you think the game sucks instead of forming your own opinion by playing)

Born_Free - Harshlands

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

k you'll find yourself less bored at 50 or 80 or 101. Either the game is fun for you or it isn't. Just don't listen to "game is dead" nerdragers for any logical advise -- ask yourself why they would bother trolling forums posting that if it were really true, instead of playing another game.

You probably shouldn't listen to the "QQSTOPQQINGABOUTTHEGAMEDYINGQQ" group either. They tend to swarm and troll in groups, and have this tendency to be very ironic in calling some people trolls, when they're trolls themselves.


Once upon a time, Perfect World was fitting for its name. Sure, there were bugs, but nobody really complained about anything, and things were okay. I mean everybody got along pretty well. Things usually worked the way they were supposed to. If you pointed out a flaw, most of the time PWI staff would come and fix it. In PvP you could actually kill people without worrying if they had better gear than you because....everybody was pretty much equal in those days.

And then one day, Perfect World Entertainment started giving us things that helped the game in some ways, and completely botched it and ruined it in others. A few examples being:

--Phoenix Bleed effects that people QQ'd about
Positively, Venomancers actually started being more than a lure.


-TW 'fixes' that ended up killing the whole point of it
There's nothing positive about this.

---Dungeon 'fixes' that ended up making it impossible for anybody but APS characters to play.
Nothing much positive about this either.

----Giving a class that can go invisible the means to attack super quickly.
Assassins are the only ones not complaining.

--Sticking Endgame Gear in packs
Cash Shoppers are the only ones not complaining, and those with braincells.

---Literally giftwrapping Rank Gear for christmas....right before a major expansion.
People with an inkling of sense in their brains can tell you this was a bad idea.

----Shoving sales down our throats
For the past 15 months.

-Refusing to answer questions about certain things
You can possibly blame Frankie. You could also blame PWI.

--Refusing to amp up graphics for older classes, while making newer ones look completely amazing.
This is due to laziness.

---

AND POSSIBLY COMING SOON: Nurfing the ability to attack really fast because now suddenly PWE realizes it's a problem....two years after doing it.
The only people who will complain are the APS classes.

And so yes, I could see why people complain. Perfect World USED to be perfect. Now it's more like "It could be better, but it could be worse World".

Me? I don't agree with either side. If you're stupid enough to believe there's not a problem with this game, that's your own issue. I pity you.
If you're stupid enough to whine about the game dying, that's your own issue too.

Personally, as I've said about a million times before--- the game isn't dead, it's on life support. Doctors could save it by removing tumors such as pack sales and broken game mechanics, but PWE isn't giving consent.

Alasen - Heavens Tear

Uh Tahanos he's just starting... and you think he can make 3 mil in 6 hours or even ten? LMAO and wth? ya buy a 2 mil HORSE from the npc that has **** speed. sure... 2 mil u can get a pretty common 10 speed mount i'm sure instead of a 9 speed bland horse. And I've NEVER seen a max speed mount for under 4 but hell i dont' look at shops that much. Still... Poisoned do what u can to make money, but save up like 4-5 mil for a max speed (11 m/s) mount (by the way they dot' start out at lvl 1 with max speed, you have to sit on them awhile to level them then they hit lvl 11 and get another meter per second). Some are alot more cause they're rarer (or were idk now with the mount sale atm...), but I got a battlecat pretty recently for 5. Giant Lobsters are even cheaper i think and go to 11 m/s.

By the way if you JUST started... you missed the anniversary time, so yo'd prolly have to wait a year and a half.... but they give out a mount to everyone each year that's played long enough.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »

You probably shouldn't listen to the "QQSTOPQQINGABOUTTHEGAMEDYINGQQ" group either. They tend to swarm and troll in groups, and have this tendency to be very ironic in calling some people trolls, when they're trolls themselves.

Mmhmm, telling someone to try something that's free before listening to whiners sure is trolling.

Once upon a time, Perfect World was fitting for its name. Sure, there were bugs, but nobody really complained about anything, and things were okay. I mean everybody got along pretty well. Things usually worked the way they were supposed to. If you pointed out a flaw, most of the time PWI staff would come and fix it. In PvP you could actually kill people without worrying if they had better gear than you because....everybody was pretty much equal in those days.

lol!

It was never "fitting for it's name". It's a fricken name, and a gimmick. Obviously you were dumb enough to take that literally.

And then one day, Perfect World Entertainment started giving us things that helped the game in some ways, and completely botched it and ruined it in others. A few examples being:

--Phoenix Bleed effects that people QQ'd about
Positively, Venomancers actually started being more than a lure.

And then once upon a time, person naively took this gimmick literally. And venomancers became more than just a lure with the herc. Oops?

-TW 'fixes' that ended up killing the whole point of it
There's nothing positive about this.

People complained about TW before the "fixes" -- primarily about factions owning the map which had been done long ago. Nothing useful about this.

---Dungeon 'fixes' that ended up making it impossible for anybody but APS characters to play.

APS had long been in this game before changes to TT and Nirvana and FF. People only came upon this realization well after.

----Giving a class that can go invisible the means to attack super quickly.
Assassins are the only ones not complaining.

People used to QQ about veno bleed, QQ about BM APS, QQ about being slept constantly, stunned constantly, kited constantly. QQ + QQ = more QQ.

--Sticking Endgame Gear in packs
Cash Shoppers are the only ones not complaining, and those with braincells.

.. and merchants, and anyone who appreciates lower prices of shards, pots, subs, pages, hypers, makeover scrolls, GS, and so on. Oops, forgot a few people while pretending you have brain cells? I bet you use most of those and benefit from packs, yet complaining. Hypocrite much?

---Literally giftwrapping Rank Gear for christmas....right before a major expansion.
People with an inkling of sense in their brains can tell you this was a bad idea.

No, actually, there's numerous topics on this with people liking the fact that it came out. Translation: I didn't like it therefore everyone who doesn't think like I do has no brain cells. Egocentric much?

----Shoving sales down our throats
For the past 15 months

How dare they actually give sales to people who help keep their company running by using real life cash. Those ****. b:cry

Although, I doubt people who actually bought the stuff would say that it was shoved down their throat. Sounds like it was a sweet deal for them, wasn't it?

-Refusing to answer questions about certain things
You can possibly blame Frankie. You could also blame PWI.

Which things? In almost every case I've seen, it's either something that had been answered already, and thus did not merit a continuous response to the same thing, or something that PW or any company could not possibly benefit from in answering.

--Refusing to amp up graphics for older classes, while making newer ones look completely amazing.
This is due to laziness.

This is a marketing tactic to get more people to try new content they create. Any company would do this, especially in the F2P MMORPG industry. Useless whine.

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AND POSSIBLY COMING SOON: Nurfing the ability to attack really fast because now suddenly PWE realizes it's a problem....two years after doing it.
The only people who will complain are the APS classes.

And possibly coming soon, more pointless banter and whining from someone who can't seem to stop playing a game that makes them QQQQQQQQQ.

And so yes, I could see why people complain. Perfect World USED to be perfect. Now it's more like "It could be better, but it could be worse World".

No, it was never a "perfect world" -- again, this was a gimmick, and you were dumb enough to fall for it. The key to making a decent argument is actually understanding a situation realistically. You downplay how much people used to whine about everything before, and are exaggerating what people are whining about now. It does not take a genius to see this, and it's a pretty crappy way at trying to give yourself validity. Presuming everyone who disagrees with yourself is an idiot or has no brain cells is icing on the cake.

Me? I don't agree with either side. If you're stupid enough to believe there's not a problem with this game, that's your own issue. I pity you.
If you're stupid enough to whine about the game dying, that's your own issue too.

Nonsense. While I haven't directly seen you use the phrase "game is dead" I've seen you hyperbolically declare every facet of the game dead as well as most classes that don't include assassin. You also said you would stop posting, and also said that you quit the game yet you must have missed the topic that was deleted with someone posting a screenshot of you talking on world chat after posting you quit. Typical crybaby quitter "QQ i r quitting" attention grab, then come back the next day and pretend it never happened.

Personally, as I've said about a million times before--- the game isn't dead, it's on life support. Doctors could save it by removing tumors such as pack sales and broken game mechanics, but PWE isn't giving consent. [/COLOR][/FONT]

Pack sales have happened for almost a year and a half now. What you call "broken game mechanics" have been around for 2+ years now. You've come late to the QQ party and all the QQ beer is gone.

Born_Free - Harshlands

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Mmhmm, telling someone to try something that's free before listening to whiners sure is trolling.

Oh, don't act like you've never trolled Janus. You wouldn't wanna be considered a liar, would you?

lol!

It was never "fitting for it's name". It's a fricken name, and a gimmick. Obviously you were dumb enough to take that literally.

Someone wasn't around during Beta.........
But if it's such a gimmick, why are you still playing? Eh?


And then once upon a time, person naively took this gimmick literally. And venomancers became more than just a lure with the herc. Oops?

Oops? Did you fall down? >

Before Genies came out, Venomancers were hardly rolled, and were only used as lures. To make some money and make the Venomancers more appealing, they decided to stick in very expensive legendary pets. Of course what they forgot to look at was the power of that bleed.

Thus, the QQbird was born.



People complained about TW before the "fixes" -- primarily about factions owning the map which had been done long ago. Nothing useful about this.
And now EVERYBODY is complaining.


APS had long been in this game before changes to TT and Nirvana and FF. People only came upon this realization well after.
Didn't I mention that in the APS thread? Oh wait.....


People used to QQ about veno bleed, QQ about BM APS, QQ about being slept constantly, stunned constantly, kited constantly. QQ + QQ = more QQ.
And QQ about QQ = More QQ.


.. and merchants, and anyone who appreciates lower prices of shards, pots, subs, pages, hypers, makeover scrolls, GS, and so on. Oops, forgot a few people while pretending you have brain cells? I bet you use most of those and benefit from packs, yet complaining. Hypocrite much?

Funny, if I remember correctly prices of gold go up during pack sales....Pretty sure THAT isn't appreciated.
I did forget to mention the merchants, our bad.

So are we keeping score or something?


No, actually, there's numerous topics on this with people liking the fact that it came out. Translation: I didn't like it therefore everyone who doesn't think like I do has no brain cells. Egocentric much?

Oh do link one. I'm all curious now.

There's nothing egotistic about pointing out game flaws. But of course, there's nothing flawed about literally paying the price of a cheep used car to oneshot everything in a two mile radius, right?
Still, it was a good try. If you act like something that has effectively ruined PvP and PvE is a good thing, maybe you deserve to be told you lack braincells, mmm?


How dare they actually give sales to people who help keep their company running by using real life cash. Those ****. b:cry

There's a difference between packs once in a while, and packs every week for the last 15 months. I was one of those people who bought them early in the game because I figured they needed the money. Turns out, all they were doing is saving up so they could stick Forsaken World in my face. No, I didn't spend 10k on this game so you could make another game and not **** that one up, I paid you because I want you to improve this game, and NOT **** it up.

Somewhere along the way, it just didn't work out like that.
It's their money now, so I don't really bother with it. That doesn't mean I don't have the right to be a little angry about it. It's completely unreasonable not to be angry, it depends on the degree.

As good as FW looks now, I have to wonder if a good chunk of the PWE money isn't going to them instead of us. I am of course, terrified to even so much as touch it now due to the fact they're run by the same people currently **** up our game.

Although, I doubt people who actually bought the stuff would say that it was shoved down their throat. Sounds like it was a sweet deal for them, wasn't it?

It's only a problem until it's your problem, and then, it's a big problem. The thing is, for them it's not a problem. Kind of like for you, it's simply not a problem because you don't allow yourself to see that it's a problem. I see it as a problem because as a formerly paying member, I can tell things got screwy when the Endgame started popping out, after old folks worked for their gear.

Messed up? Yeah, pretty messed up.


Which things? In almost every case I've seen, it's either something that had been answered already, and thus did not merit a continuous response to the same thing, or something that PW or any company could not possibly benefit from in answering.

And there you go.


This is a marketing tactic to get more people to try new content they create. Any company would do this, especially in the F2P MMORPG industry. Useless whine.

Was I complaining? I'm playing a fish, why should I care?
Simply because other people are asking for it, and PWI just simply won't get it to us. That's why I cared to mention it. Good try though.


And possibly coming soon, more pointless banter and whining from someone who can't seem to stop playing a game that makes them QQQQQQQQQ.

Hey, I'm not complaining about APS nurf--quite the opposite. Now on the other hand....you can expect the REAL nerdrage to come from all the very very shortsighted people who paid all that money for APS characters. For the sake of my health, I won't be around that day, or I'll laugh myself into a coma.


No, it was never a "perfect world" -- again, this was a gimmick, and you were dumb enough to fall for it. The key to making a decent argument is actually understanding a situation realistically. You downplay how much people used to whine about everything before, and are exaggerating what people are whining about now. It does not take a genius to see this, and it's a pretty crappy way at trying to give yourself validity. Presuming everyone who disagrees with yourself is an idiot or has no brain cells is icing on the cake.

You make it almost sound like I'm trying to troll or something. :S That's not very nice Janus. But at least you're doing better than the last post.

How many things, exactly, were complained about when things were actually....you know, good? I'm talking about before genies came out. How many of us REALLY, ACTUALLY complained about something that wasn't really needed to be complained about?

It's a fact....that quite honestly, we NEVER complained as much then as we do now. Not even close.

I don't call EVERYBODY who disagrees with me brainless....have you ever seen me call Eoria brainless? Or even you? I've said you lacked braincells, but never brainless. There's quite a difference between the two.

Now, Luctirica, Yulk, and Tweakz, THOSE guys are brainless. Tweakz I consider slightly off the far side of the pool, however, he's only brainless when it comes to APS.
Guess that just means I'm going to have to cook up a new insult, since it looks like you're tired of me using the same old thing....that's a pity, the braincells joke is my favorite.


Nonsense. While I haven't directly seen you use the phrase "game is dead" I've seen you hyperbolically declare every facet of the game dead as well as most classes that don't include assassin. You also said you would stop posting, and also said that you quit the game yet you must have missed the topic that was deleted with someone posting a screenshot of you talking on world chat after posting you quit. Typical crybaby quitter "QQ i r quitting" attention grab, then come back the next day and pretend it never happened.

When have I ever said clerics were dead? Or Blademasters? No, I may have stated fewer people would play them. I may have said they're some of the fewest played classes. But there's a difference between a dead class, and one that's not played.

I have said Wizards are dead. Because they are.
I have said Barbarians are dead. Because they are.
I've said Venomancers are in trouble. With practically a double of their class, sprinkled with butterflies and a few earth skills, yeah, they are.
I've said Archers are dead. They've been dead.
I've said Blademasters are in trouble now that the Seekers are coming out.
I've said Assassins are going to get what's coming to them once everybody hyper/oracle's their EG's to 100. And they will. When that day comes, I'll come back, sit quietly on the wall by West Archosaur, and watch the pandemonium.
I've said Clerics are in trouble. With the Mystics coming soon, it's possible that they are.

I said I'd stopped playing. Posting in WC is simply that....posting in WC. Just because I log in, doesn't mean I'm continuing to play. There's a few reasons why I'm still around:

1) My fiance still plays. I don't have the heart to tell him I bought Final Fantasy XIV and am not taking the game seriously anymore.
2) I like checking up, messing around on WC, and smalltalking in West Arch.
3) If Luctircia shows up on Harshlands, I'm going to kill her **** just like I promised.
4) I'm no longer IN it, but I still recruit for Shadows once in a while, simply because they're nice people, and need some help recruiting.

I did log in once to see if I could buy a decent pair of wings, I think. And then there was this interesting two tele conversation when Eoria and I were online at the same time.

I've about told you on every single topic we've ever argued on that I don't believe the game is dead. It's just very, very sick.

If you're going to try and use my words against me, at least try and do it right. :S


Pack sales have happened for almost a year and a half now. What you call "broken game mechanics" have been around for 2+ years now. You've come late to the QQ party and all the QQ beer is gone.

That's "fashionably late" to you, sir. I didn't start QQing until they stuck endgame in a pretty box for five dollars a pop-- THAT is what broke the camel's back.
But that's cool....I was never much of a beer drinker....and knowing PWI, their beer would be flavorless, and cost a fortune. Personally, I would rather go with the martini...at least I know I'm getting some quality for my money.

Oh this is much better than the last post Janus, thank god. I was starting to wonder if you'd given up. :<

Granrey - Sanctuary

pois0ned wrote: »

ok thanks, can some1 tell me how was pwi before and how is now? why manny ppl is mad about new changes?..

thanks.

Let me try to explain.

Before the levelling was very slow for most classes ( venos were the exeption). Most people would quit the game around level 90 or cap their characters at that level since it was kind of considered end game.

it was so hard, that IMO I thought level 90 people had no friends and nothing to do in real life.

Now people level quickly and either quit or cap their characaters at level 101/102. They should increase level cap already.

Gold used to be cheap, 100k coins per gold or cheaper. So, many players could afford to get items from boutique, Players used to have a veno to farm instances or mobs and some guilds would have a farming veno toon or you simply had a veno friend to help you out. Now the price fluctuates for over 1m most of the time and being a veno is not so good as it was before for farming.

Before the population on servers seemed to be higher than now but is hard to tell since most people are currently on dungeons. When this toon was in his early level 20, doing quests outside Archo was a warfare for the mobs as there were many players doing their quests. I think it was better on that aspect.

Before you had to fight for your quest mobs as there was a lot of kill stealing as people spent a lot of time killing mobs to level (grinders). Now the drop rate from mobs is less and you get better exps by doing BH and other things.

I think having a busy world was socially better than having busy dungeons.


On the world chat, you would get many messages about people asking to do your FB, some would even pay the wine (this was the best way to gain exps). Some people would do your FB the wrong way and they would not help you with the quests inside the dungeon and then you would be stuck (FB's used to be an special thing, people would ask you to pm them for your fb way in advance). Now those messages are replaced by BH and other activities, if you did not get your quests done inside dungeon you can get them on a BH squad and you can get your FB for free since BH squad would pay for wine.

Keep in mind, drops from FB used to be valuable and tabber would ask for his drops and complaint if you did not give the drops to him. Now those drops are garbage since you get them though BH. which is a good thing, since now poor people can get decent cheap gear with mold items.

People would ask for help for world bosses like jewelcalen and many others but you dont see those messages anymore as right now anyone can help you with those.



Oracles, and some sale items for exps and gear came out, it made many people quit.

they also brought, genies, new classes.

Saying that, I dont think the game is bettter or worst. It's hard to tell. the game is basically different. Before people would quit or get bored at 90 but would do so with a sence of accomplishment as it was hard to get there and get your gear. Now they either quit or get bored at 101 with very little sence of accomplishment as many people can do it and some can do it in couple months.

the ones saying the game is dead are those who prefered the game the way it was before rather than the way it is now.

Elviron - Dreamweaver

To further elaborate on GranRey's post, whats new are the different options available to players. Nobody is stopping a player from doing it the old fashioned way, its just that there are more options available to get exp.

Before,
1.) Only option to lvl to the 90s = grind or FBs (even this would give less exp) or Rebirth instances
2.) Gear options were limited to Legendary, TT or 3* equips. Rank and other elite equipment were present but took extremely long time to acquire.
3.) Very few people around to help
4.) Favoured hard core gamers and grinders since they would be able to spend a lot of time ingame
5.) New People knew the intricacies of their class better due to the sheer amount of time being spent on levelling them
6.) Was fun to play with friends

Now,
1.) Options include = grind or FBs or Rebirth instances or Hyper FF runs or Bounty Hunter Quests
2.) Gear options include Legendary, TT, 3* equips and Nirvana equips. Rank and other elite equipment can be got directly/indirectly from the boutique via packs and mysterious chip box sales.
3.) Lots of people around to help
4.) Favours average and casual players more as they too can achieve the same as hard core gamers by spending some RL money. Although this pisses off the previous category who like to farm things since it makes it look like they wasted time farming when someone can simply buy their way through it.
5.) New People know less of their class since many take the express way to reaching maximum level and knowing very little of what their classes are capable of.
6.) Is still fun to play with friends.

Granrey - Sanctuary

Probably the best example on how the game was before. Its looking at the snow men event.

Some players were competing in killing the snow men. The game was a bit like that while you were doing quests on timberfield, broken wulf, tusk town, archo, secret passage and other places that were very busy with players trying to do their quests.

SilverCleric - Lost City

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Before: QQQQQQQQQ

After: QQQQQQQQQ

Any questions?

(The obvious answer is people have been complaining since the start of this game -- listening to complaints only makes you think the game sucks instead of forming your own opinion by playing)

There wasn't many complaints back then when this game started but as soon as the packs came out and game became to easy, along with Hypers, TideBoron expansion and people figuring out how to get 5aps, lack of bug fixes, lack of communication from GM's, and unnecessary changes to game that made it worse, thats when the game went down hill.


So before there wasn't as much QQ as you think it was. ijs :P

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »

You probably shouldn't listen to the "QQSTOPQQINGABOUTTHEGAMEDYINGQQ" group either. They tend to swarm and troll in groups, and have this tendency to be very ironic in calling some people trolls, when they're trolls themselves.


Once upon a time, Perfect World was fitting for its name. Sure, there were bugs, but nobody really complained about anything, and things were okay. I mean everybody got along pretty well. Things usually worked the way they were supposed to. If you pointed out a flaw, most of the time PWI staff would come and fix it. In PvP you could actually kill people without worrying if they had better gear than you because....everybody was pretty much equal in those days.

And then one day, Perfect World Entertainment started giving us things that helped the game in some ways, and completely botched it and ruined it in others. A few examples being:

--Phoenix Bleed effects that people QQ'd about
Positively, Venomancers actually started being more than a lure.


-TW 'fixes' that ended up killing the whole point of it
There's nothing positive about this.

---Dungeon 'fixes' that ended up making it impossible for anybody but APS characters to play.
Nothing much positive about this either.

----Giving a class that can go invisible the means to attack super quickly.
Assassins are the only ones not complaining.

--Sticking Endgame Gear in packs
Cash Shoppers are the only ones not complaining, and those with braincells.

---Literally giftwrapping Rank Gear for christmas....right before a major expansion.
People with an inkling of sense in their brains can tell you this was a bad idea.

----Shoving sales down our throats
For the past 15 months.

-Refusing to answer questions about certain things
You can possibly blame Frankie. You could also blame PWI.

--Refusing to amp up graphics for older classes, while making newer ones look completely amazing.
This is due to laziness.

---

AND POSSIBLY COMING SOON: Nurfing the ability to attack really fast because now suddenly PWE realizes it's a problem....two years after doing it.
The only people who will complain are the APS classes.

And so yes, I could see why people complain. Perfect World USED to be perfect. Now it's more like "It could be better, but it could be worse World".

Me? I don't agree with either side. If you're stupid enough to believe there's not a problem with this game, that's your own issue. I pity you.
If you're stupid enough to whine about the game dying, that's your own issue too.

Personally, as I've said about a million times before--- the game isn't dead, it's on life support. Doctors could save it by removing tumors such as pack sales and broken game mechanics, but PWE isn't giving consent.

100% true.
+ Casters like you or me are useless comparing to APS classes.
APS(attack per seconds=melee classes+ archer)
+ The good gear requires real cash OR endless time of grinding and not be wanted in instances because you as a caster your are slow in casting spells.
+ you can be high level in few days (this was impossible in old PWI)
+ balance between classes is very broken. (it wasn't in old PWI)
+ many old players who knew old PWI left. These who telling this new PWI is good are wrong because, most of they never played old one.
+ You will force to have melee character later to support your caster for sure.
+ HUGE inflation killed the non cash spenders

Paramedic - Dreamweaver

Elviron - Dreamweaver wrote: »

biggest misunderstood in this conflict evar

people are far more pissed off, about how those changes are being implemented i.e.


- rapidly: tommorow devs can add g15 full set sale for 20$ or +60 attack/defense blessings

+ w/o carying about gameplay: 'broken' aps (and above) etc

+ often with nerf of in-game money making ways


everyone and their mother, understand that pwe likes money; most notice, that they are making it w/o thinking, how changes affect the game.



inb4 more pointless debate about something not really related..

or anti-QQ police, will derail this topic too?

Sekmeth - Raging Tide

The old PW was as much cs as it is now Leveling at high levels was done mostly either by grinding (very slow xp, was a game of endurance) or zhen aoe parties (that required a lot of money spent on charms or even more coins in game for pots). Getting help was hard and veno (or werefoxes how they were called in the previous "international" version) kinda made lots of money while others QQed all the time of being poor.

PWI kinda introduced a bit of dynamic into the game: crabs/herbs much cheaper option than pots/charms, faster leveling (really only thing endless grinding showed was a lack of personal life), more team oriented game (people usually do at least one BH a day and after lvl 75 FC, great places to make new friends), cheaper items in general making people change gear more often and thus having a sense of advancing into the game. Lots of new content that previous versions didnt have, and some of the people took to extremes (resulting in popular classes like 5 aps ones).

PWI also brought a ore dynamic approach to money making, thus increasing it's revenues. And so PW has had more updates since PWI came online than has ever had before. If you think that's a bad thing, i can tell you another english version of the game took another approach and ended up dead and closed a few months ago. Also came with a better localization then previous PW english version and better connection too (much friendlier to american and to some extent european players).

People QQ that latest sales were a bit too much, and while I was fast to cry about it too, thinking about it more i realize is not that bad. on RT rank8 was about 70mil and that's not much for any above average free-to-play player. Ofc to cash shoppers is easier, but then again they keep the game free for others. (and when i mean cash shoppers i mean those who spend more them 100-200$ a year, the 20-30$ every few months other ppl try doesn't make them OP at all).

Future update announces more faction vs faction battlles, that will fill the void for the factions that are really too small to compete in tw, were have cash shopping players usually rule (but they really should be compared to the most hardworking free players anyway not to the average toon). This is what PWI needs, more pvp events, maybe even tiered so people could compete with others their level or equipment and overall power, just for fun and fame not for OP items.

Renza - Raging Tide

Sekmeth - Raging Tide wrote: »

The old PW was as much cs as it is now Leveling at high levels was done mostly either by grinding (very slow xp, was a game of endurance) or zhen aoe parties (that required a lot of money spent on charms or even more coins in game for pots). Getting help was hard and veno (or werefoxes how they were called in the previous "international" version) kinda made lots of money while others QQed all the time of being poor.

the game was much less cash shoped then it is now, i dont no what you call before, but back when you needed to FARM for your gear and level up properly, you couldent just buy your gear, the only things that was commently bought were charms and exp scrolls,
now people buy hundreds of packs a day/week depending on the heavy CSers while the active pvpers tend to buy charms if they feel the need, so whilst there making stupidly easy money whilst buying packs, some making a profit from it, the game is definatly more CSed now then it was before.

Sekmeth - Raging Tide wrote: »

PWI kinda introduced a bit of dynamic into the game: crabs/herbs much cheaper option than pots/charms, faster leveling (really only thing endless grinding showed was a lack of personal life), more team oriented game (people usually do at least one BH a day and after lvl 75 FC, great places to make new friends), cheaper items in general making people change gear more often and thus having a sense of advancing into the game. Lots of new content that previous versions didnt have, and some of the people took to extremes (resulting in popular classes like 5 aps ones).

you're may be half right, but ive known plenty of people that have had a big personal life and still managed to out level me, i had a friend that used to play that owned his own restaurant and had his wife and child to look after, whilst also having the odd night out as well, it just depends how you get on with the game or not, even my self when i used to play properly, i would grind a hell of alot whilst being in college and getting all my work done and on weekends and such id be going out.
the only new content you really listed as being even a remotly active part of the game, is BH (which is just the FB dungeon with a new daily added), and FC, which is just another big grinding zone when used with hypers for easy baby lvling.

Sekmeth - Raging Tide wrote: »

PWI also brought a ore dynamic approach to money making, thus increasing it's revenues. And so PW has had more updates since PWI came online than has ever had before. If you think that's a bad thing, i can tell you another english version of the game took another approach and ended up dead and closed a few months ago. Also came with a better localization then previous PW english version and better connection too (much friendlier to american and to some extent european players).

dynamic approach...the 10mill bank notes?, thats just another thing thats babied this game,
people dont need to work for there cash, they can just use there credit card, an MMO is supposed to be all about the journey to the end game and getting gear etc, not about how you used your credit card.

Emancipator - Lost City

IMO PW was better before oracles...and ss...

Sekmeth - Raging Tide

Renza - Raging Tide wrote: »

the game was much less cash shoped then it is now, i dont no what you call before, but back when you needed to FARM for your gear and level up properly, you couldent just buy your gear, the only things that was commently bought were charms and exp scrolls,
now people buy hundreds of packs a day/week depending on the heavy CSers while the active pvpers tend to buy charms if they feel the need, so whilst there making stupidly easy money whilst buying packs, some making a profit from it, the game is definatly more CSed now then it was before.

Just the goal of cash shopping has changed Instead of spending it on the leveling itself it's spent on gear. Also every game when it starts is a bit naive, with time the hardcore players appear and I see that in all games i played.

Renza - Raging Tide wrote: »

you're may be half right, but ive known plenty of people that have had a big personal life and still managed to out level me, i had a friend that used to play that owned his own restaurant and had his wife and child to look after, whilst also having the odd night out as well, it just depends how you get on with the game or not, even my self when i used to play properly, i would grind a hell of alot whilst being in college and getting all my work done and on weekends and such id be going out.
the only new content you really listed as being even a remotly active part of the game, is BH (which is just the FB dungeon with a new daily added), and FC, which is just another big grinding zone when used with hypers for easy baby lvling.

Well it's relative. I know of people from older version of PW that had lvl 100 with rank8. Much harder to get but still were plenty who did it spending countless hours. Now it's much more accessible for more players, dontreally have to no-life to reach end game like before.

Tbh i'm a big fan of FC, i love it almost every time i go there. The bosses are just different then tank attack get aggro then party semi afk for 10min. Also TT3-1 bosses like GBA one is nice now, lots of fun, before was just dull.

Renza - Raging Tide wrote: »

dynamic approach...the 10mill bank notes?, thats just another thing thats babied this game,
people dont need to work for there cash, they can just use there credit card, an MMO is supposed to be all about the journey to the end game and getting gear etc, not about how you used your credit card.

It's a lottery. U make it sound like Best Tokens are a sure thing, when it's like 98% chance to get just tokens of luck. The move with packs it's brilliant marketing, they don't actually sell much but make people think they will get much. Many well geard people made for cheaper TT mats (as supply increased cause of them) making it easier for regular players to get them. I agree with you though as some gear should only be available as in game rewards, just that the journey to get them in game is harder than grinding some money and buying them from ppl who open packs. Now they need to design events that are less about gear, and more about strategy and skill. This is the big challenge of future PW.

Molkalicious - Sanctuary

I suppose I could be considered even more n00b than you, being only level 27, but I will say this: I have played MMOs for five years. I only recently got into PWI, and I must admit I wish I would have gotten into it years ago. I've played just about anything you can name, p2p and f2p, and this is unquestionably the very best f2p game I have played. I must give a big nod here to Guild Wars, which I also love, but the lack of variety in that game makes it somewhat tedious.
So far, I have greatly enjoyed PWI. And yes, I admit, I did read some forum posts/spam/QQ'ing/ragequitting before I even started. But the bottom line is that, even in a short period of time, I've decided that I really enjoy this game, and therefore will continue to play it. In the end, that's all that really matters.
And IMO, this game is anything but "dead". The major cities are chock-full of people (and the obligatory shop-cats or whatever you call those things) and I have yet to venture out to quest without running into many others. Heck, there are people out there who claim that WoW is dead, and that is as stupid a statement as I have ever heard. You can never avoid idiots in these forums, that's for sure.

Born_Free - Harshlands

SilverCleric - Lost City wrote: »

TideBoron expansion

Ouch Silver....that hurts my feelings. b:sad

I agree 150% with Renza....10 mil, BH, Endgame in the Cash Shop, Hypers, the whole "new generation" of PWI players is completely babied. (I define "New Generation" as post-Tideborn expansion.)

They wouldn't spend a day back pre-beta, not if they actually (GASP!) had to work for stuff. WORK!? You have to actually spend time understanding the game?!


Don't get me wrong....I like BH's. Or....I'd like them more if there weren't so many idiots who don't know how to play the game or their class running around. Most of them are Assassins, who THINK they're barbarians, who run into mobs, aggro them, and wonder how they die. Or, they're Blademasters, who think they're barbarians. OR they're Psychics who think that they're Barbs, and AoE everything on sight and then wonder how you get aggro.
I'm willing to make a bet they don't even know what aggro is, but that's neither here nor there.

I've always loved FC's. I try to do lowbie FC's on my psychic whenever it's possible, simply because I find we're actually quite useful there with the AoE's. I've only done a few runs as a Psychic and enjoyed it 100%. The gear was always...."just okay." I never bothered with any of my higher characters, because back in the day, TT 90 gold was the ****.

....now if you say you have 90 gold, people laugh at you whilst oneshotting your face into the ground with pretty pretty rank gear....that they didn't earn.

Packs were never an issue with me, (I spent 10k on my barb alone buying packs and other goodies, nobody could ever label me as an anti-pack nab--) until they put endgame in there. Before then, I never complained about the Cash Shop, because I knew that was the way PWI worked to get their money to keep things going.
I'm talking about Lunar Glade. I'm talking about gems. I'm talking about Warsong. Now they've got Rank gift wrapped for every rich moron out there who is willing to spend a few hundred dollars on pixels.
Then suddenly, it was a problem because.....Hey wait a second, why should they get free gear by throwing money at you when I've been farming all my stuff?

See, things are never a problem until they're YOUR problem. That's the issue with most players who think that the game is completely fine the way it is.

The other issue I had is when I suddenly saw Forsaken World and then glanced back at PWI and said.... "Wait a second, why does their game look better than ours?! Why can't you fix some of the stuff with the money you spent making THAT game?!"
And then the developing staff and the guys in charge of the money give you a blank stare like they don't know what you're talking about.

If they're getting all this money on packs.....why is it that we're not really getting anything but updates....and no real fixes to the game? If they don't have enough money to fix Perfect World.....how is it that they were able to pay for create Forsaken World?
Sense?
Yeah, it's their money. But it's absolutely stupid how they spend all this time and effort making a new game....when their flagship franchise is taking a swan dive headfirst into an empty concrete pool.


Just to shorten it down, there was a lot less complaining back in old PWI. More people were happier. There was more communication between players and staff. Most issues that came up that were pointed out were patched as soon as they could.

And now the game is too easy. You can literally buy level 100....or anything else for that matter, and there is really....no point in seriously playing anymore. I pity those with enough blind optimism to say the game is fine.

Tigriss_o - Raging Tide

Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »

Ouch Silver....that hurts my feelings. b:sad


Just to shorten it down,
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*Looks at sentence then back at full post* Holy **** if thats the shortened version I'd hate to see the full version.

X_trigger_X - Heavens Tear

Old PWI.

I used to get given stuff like bronze charms etc (worth around 25-30k) for helping randoms for example.

People now just criticise, want to do things at the speed of light, and won't even throw you a stick.


I enjoyed the banter and stuff while fishing so much, I miss it.

Born_Free - Harshlands

Tigriss_o - Raging Tide wrote: »

*Looks at sentence then back at full post* Holy **** if thats the shortened version I'd hate to see the full version.

That tends to happen when you try and make a point to those who lack the mental capacity to actually get it.....for some, it results in endless insulting and nerdrage. For me.....I just ramble. b:chuckle

Trigger, I remember you from my cleric... Good to know you're still playing.

Xoria - Sanctuary

pois0ned wrote: »

Hello im so noob but i like hear and learn, ppl said the game IS DEAD i want know why? how was the game time ago and how is now? what change? can some1 give me a example please? that i dont know manny about the game so i dont know that ppl said about R9 R7 BLA BLA that all i hear about now the game is dead cause it.. can some1 give me a nice explain please?
im just lvl 35 im enyoining the game and ppl said the game is better after lvl 50.. i want make instances because im cleric..

Note: I play online games but im not a cash shoper addict, can i live in this game whitout buy zen with dollars? im from venezuela ( south america) and here we can just use 400 $ per year, sound bad eh?... yes my country is falling down

so i can work HARD and have all those can have a cash shopper? or really the game is broken?..


hoping nice replys.

PW THEN:
Better quality players that farmed their gear diligently and knew every trick in the book for every instance. Gold was hardly known in the gold trading department and was, at some point, 90k each.

PW NOW:
Access to the best end- game gear. Access to better leveling spots (specifically thinking Past Valley of the Scarred) and the ability to go through instances at a remarkable rate (5 APS). It doesn't have the same ability to make money as the PW THEN does, and for those that don't cash shop, it's a very slow and bothersome process. Especially when some cash shoppers (not all) will rub it in another player's face that they have x and y.

I liked PW THEN over PW NOW. Everyone was pretty even, cash shopper or non cash shopper and the game could almost be called 'balanced.' However, it's in the past, so what can you do?

RouxLouka - Dreamweaver

I like it now. Basic things like charms, fash and mounts can be farmed with dq points for sage/demon cards. There is no reason for me to use the actual cs unless I want new fashion right away.