What's the difference between now and then?
XxZavxX - Raging Tide
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I see so many QQers QQing because of rank sale..
"boohoohoo i farmed so many yrs of my life away and people can just by r8 now...."
but lets be real here. people were buying lunar gear by selling gold or spamming packs like madmen. so nothing has really changed.
rank sale is actually better for PWI than people realize. more competitive people to pk against, maybe less one faction dominance on different servers.
Are people just butthurt because APS can no longer monopolize Nirvana thus the game economy?
"boohoohoo i farmed so many yrs of my life away and people can just by r8 now...."
but lets be real here. people were buying lunar gear by selling gold or spamming packs like madmen. so nothing has really changed.
rank sale is actually better for PWI than people realize. more competitive people to pk against, maybe less one faction dominance on different servers.
Are people just butthurt because APS can no longer monopolize Nirvana thus the game economy?
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XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »I see so many QQers QQing because of rank sale..
"boohoohoo i farmed so many yrs of my life away and people can just by r8 now...."
but lets be real here. people were buying lunar gear by selling gold or spamming packs like madmen. so nothing has really changed.
rank sale is actually better for PWI than people realize. more competitive people to pk against, maybe less one faction dominance on different servers.
Are people just butthurt because APS can no longer monopolize Nirvana thus the game economy?
Nobody does nirvana anymore, smartypants b:bye
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try reading some of the countless posts that analyze the whole situation or think a bit.0
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I have thought about it. People are butthurt for no reason.ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »try reading some of the countless posts that analyze the whole situation or think a bit.0 -
XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »I have thought about it. People are butthurt for no reason.
butthurt?
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XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »I see so many QQers QQing because of rank sale..
"boohoohoo i farmed so many yrs of my life away and people can just by r8 now...."
but lets be real here. people were buying lunar gear by selling gold or spamming packs like madmen. so nothing has really changed.
rank sale is actually better for PWI than people realize. more competitive people to pk against, maybe less one faction dominance on different servers.
Are people just butthurt because APS can no longer monopolize Nirvana thus the game economy?
I hope you realize, you don't make much sense and your logic is pretty horrible.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
As for the lame excuse they have of it being so hard for players to get rep now look at all the things they have removed from the game over the past 3 years. Tournaments were once the only way to get the lvl 70 warsoul helm. Lets take that out an only add the championship scroll in a pack. Fc drops hmm people can farm and make gear lets fix that. Pwi removes drops an now adds the nice lil item in packs to make the bow an glave. People are getting close to rep .... lets remove badges after Fb 59 and add bh so no one will want to grind to lvl doing one man armies anymore. Arenas stay broken forever so no way to get the badge for rank 6 wep. ETC etc etc ...... anything that is for the benefit of the free to play player has slowly been nurfed, changed, or removed. Then vs now? then u could have done everything with out spending a cent now ..... well you decide.0
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Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »-removed-
Nope I think u got the majority of it0 -
no but do tell me HOW a barb can stay compatible vs INt players (cashshoppers) or farmer without rank9 gear.
NO vsadly with PVP having so many cashshopper and farmer going INT r9 is the only way for a barb 2 still we ale 2 defend in pk so whether u like it or not r9 is actually a good thing
if it help ME we able 2 pk rpkers who do nothing but stun and demon spark and auto attack cos that is such a pro MOVE rightb:bye0 -
no but do tell me HOW a barb can stay compatible vs INt players (cashshoppers) or farmer without rank9 gear.
NO vsadly with PVP having so many cashshopper and farmer going INT r9 is the only way for a barb 2 still we ale 2 defend in pk so whether u like it or not r9 is actually a good thing
if it help ME we able 2 pk rpkers who do nothing but stun and demon spark and auto attack cos that is such a pro MOVE rightb:bye0 -
ViciousMinx - Dreamweaver wrote: »As for the lame excuse they have of it being so hard for players to get rep now look at all the things they have removed from the game over the past 3 years. Tournaments were once the only way to get the lvl 70 warsoul helm. Lets take that out an only add the championship scroll in a pack. Fc drops hmm people can farm and make gear lets fix that. Pwi removes drops an now adds the nice lil item in packs to make the bow an glave. People are getting close to rep .... lets remove badges after Fb 59 and add bh so no one will want to grind to lvl doing one man armies anymore. Arenas stay broken forever so no way to get the badge for rank 6 wep. ETC etc etc ...... anything that is for the benefit of the free to play player has slowly been nurfed, changed, or removed. Then vs now? then u could have done everything with out spending a cent now ..... well you decide.
I am a lvl 100 archer, never spent a dime on this game. However, I now have rank 8, lunar cape with 4 vit shards, warsoul helm, and a pan gu tome. It still can be done without being a cashshopper.0 -
\_Nicole_/ - Dreamweaver wrote: »I am a lvl 100 archer, never spent a dime on this game. However, I now have rank 8, lunar cape with 4 vit shards, warsoul helm, and a pan gu tome. It still can be done without being a cashshopper.
Yes it still can but point being how many will even attempt it that way?0 -
Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »-removed-
So much hate toward people that want to play PWI without doing it as a no-life ?
Before playing PWI, I played PW on that -euro- version which didn't have all the easy stuff. I had a Lv87 cleric that I lvled with brainless grinding, either zhenning, butterfly then fishes parties.
But you know what ? I was glad PWI had all the easy stuff, so when I started all over, it was so much more enjoyable.
This is your own opinion, but for lots of other players, they do enjoy playing it easy.
Calling them "noobs" is discriminating. If you can't enjoy PWI anymore because it doesn't fit your harcore rules, then I'm sorry but find another game.
Although no one prevents you to farm Rank 9 farming FBs, old school fashion.0 -
The ones that care enough to do it the right way. Sure it's easy to get it by just charging some zen. But those who worked for it will always feel better about how they got it. And really, for those who actually have moral values, that's more important than actually having the gear.0
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Sherilys - Raging Tide wrote: »So much hate toward people that want to play PWI without doing it as a no-life ?
Before playing PWI, I played PW on that -euro- version which didn't have all the easy stuff. I had a Lv87 cleric that I lvled with brainless grinding, either zhenning, butterfly then fishes parties.
But you know what ? I was glad PWI had all the easy stuff, so when I started all over, it was so much more enjoyable.
This is your own opinion, but for lots of other players, they do enjoy playing it easy.
Calling them "noobs" is discriminating. If you can't enjoy PWI anymore because it doesn't fit your harcore rules, then I'm sorry but find another game.
Although no one prevents you to farm Rank 9 farming FBs, old school fashion.
I think you misunderstood the definition of "noob" when used in this instance.
There are newbies, who are new players.
There are noobs, who can't play the game and understand only mindless basics of the game, nothing more, and are usually too lazy to actually work for anything.
And then there are nabs, who do nothing more than spam the easy way, and faceroll the keyboard to beat down a Barb with 25k HP who has been farming his rank 8 for six months.
I do understand where you're coming from, though. But there's a difference between making things easier, and making things too easy. Handing endgame gear on a silver platter is one of those things that is hurting old players and new ones alike.0 -
XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »I see so many QQers QQing because of rank sale..
"boohoohoo i farmed so many yrs of my life away and people can just by r8 now...."
but lets be real here. people were buying lunar gear by selling gold or spamming packs like madmen. so nothing has really changed.
rank sale is actually better for PWI than people realize. more competitive people to pk against, maybe less one faction dominance on different servers.
Are people just butthurt because APS can no longer monopolize Nirvana thus the game economy?
No offense but you would talk differently if you had sold all your raps, uncannies and a scroll of tome to get r8 (I did).Middle lane, middle lane.. b:shutup0 -
stop crying abt that R8 (which is not end-game gear) if u cant afford 72 gold with coins u should stop playing and find new game.... current gold prices are lil bit too much tho
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\_Nicole_/ - Dreamweaver wrote: »The ones that care enough to do it the right way. Sure it's easy to get it by just charging some zen. But those who worked for it will always feel better about how they got it. And really, for those who actually have moral values, that's more important than actually having the gear.
I SEE JOO
And yeah, merch your way to awesomeness.0 -
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Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »-removed-Sherilys - Raging Tide wrote: »So much hate toward people that want to play PWI without doing it as a no-life ?
Before playing PWI, I played PW on that -euro- version which didn't have all the easy stuff. I had a Lv87 cleric that I lvled with brainless grinding, either zhenning, butterfly then fishes parties.
But you know what ? I was glad PWI had all the easy stuff, so when I started all over, it was so much more enjoyable.
This is your own opinion, but for lots of other players, they do enjoy playing it easy.
Calling them "noobs" is discriminating. If you can't enjoy PWI anymore because it doesn't fit your harcore rules, then I'm sorry but find another game.
Although no one prevents you to farm Rank 9 farming FBs, old school fashion.
Here's the thing, like Sherilys said not everyone here plays this game to grind forever. That idea of our culture versus asian cultures is true as it is often shown through sales of "classic" RPGs which are VERY popular over in those countries compared to ours. Our culture tends to revolve around action much more so because people here tend to want to kill now and have to work less to become stronger. Me personally, I enjoy working to build up but at the same time I don't have all the time in the world to put into this game with work and classes so it is nice to have hypers to get some more exp out of my grind (as much as people complain about them). Grinding is grinding, yes it took longer back before these items were implemented however now that they're here how does that make me LACK skill just because I can level a bit quicker. Just because I use hypers every now and then doesn't mean I just can afford to stock up on them (non-cash shopper). Also, you forget that you learn the tips and skills to be successful from higher levels and guides. I've gotten lots of tips on my characters from (leveling a couple almost simultaneously but slowly) higher level characters floating around the areas I've quested at or in town.
Consider the fact that not every new player is a cash shopper, also how hard is it to learn your class when you talk to higher levels? ESPECIALLY if you're not interested in PvP. This brings me to the point of PvP players vs. PvE players. It just interests me how much disrespect PvP players show PvE players, especially with the nickname "carebear". Why in the hell do you think it's valid to say that, why would you think that wouldn't make people upset? The irony I viewed came about in a guide made by a PvE player who is in the FW beta testing which is only PvP atm. He made ONE statement about certain PvP players being unintelligent drones who attack anything that moves (honest truth from what I've heard of PvP servers) and like 10 PvP players complained about that ONE line. Anytime someone disputes the name "carebear" they're dismissed as being sensitive... really? b:shocked
Back on topic though I wanted to point out that most of the changes are upsetting primarily the PvP players as I could see how it would change balances in how well they can hold onto the entire map in TWs and such. Again, this isn't really a concern for MOST PvE players, as we have the goal to help one another to defeat the wraiths. What a lot of the players fail to realize (PvP-oriented players specifically) is that just because someone chooses PvE does not make them a noob, they may have a preference towards fighting mobs and bosses because they LIKE RPGs... My reasoning for playing a MMORPG is so I could fight mobs and bosses with OTHER PLAYERS, not to be killed by them repeatedly as I step out from town. Some people may get a kick out of that, however I know I wouldn't. Remember that everyone has different reasons for playing, whether it's shinier armor and weapons, killing one another, or fighting CPU controlled monsters o' doom and that the game is far from dead for many players.0 -
No, I really wouldn't. I played another MMO -removed- for four years. Had an OP class, pwned PVP severely, got nerfed with an expansion. Did I spend my time on forums QQing about it? Nope. I simply adjusted to the game. And if I had been as butthurt as much as people here are I would have just cancelled my account and moved on instead of acting like I need a wAhmbulance.Minimus_ - Sanctuary wrote: »No offense but you would talk differently if you had sold all your raps, uncannies and a scroll of tome to get r8 (I did).0 -
XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »because i got f*** by other mmo company i think it is ok, to not ask for any standards. I also think, that it is perfectly ok if compay, without any announcement, change prices by 90% over one night, for my lose.
i remember to stick to that rule IRL and let anyone make gross money on my loss
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Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »-Quests gave you more experiance, items, and rep.
--There were no BH's
-Territory Wars were won by the strong factions who worked hard.
---Normal non-paying players stood a chance against those who paid
--No packs
----You had to WORK for endgame and endgame gear, no matter who you were.
--Fewer broken game mechanics
-No Assassins
---Few to no 5aps. Even then, they were very rare.
--Venomancers were the most hated class. People QQ'd about untamed like they do TB's today.
---The staff actually sort of gave a damn about the playerbase.
--No genies.
-No Hyper nabs
--No Oracle'd nabs
---Gold never went above 400k
-There was one PvE server for every PvP server.
----Merchanting was at it's lowest.
--Warsoul Helms were WAY easier to get.
---If you were a high level, that was because you EARNED it. When you were a high level, that could only mean that you knew how the game was played. That is what you call "pro". It's not very common these days.
--It was easy to get coin because of DQ prices.
--PvP, Territory War, and Twilight Temple were some of the most common things to do.
----The Game was actually fun.
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Do tell, am I missing something?
Oh, yes, you very much did...
Gold was 100k, for the times when all of your other conditions were true.
But, also, no quests have been removed, and quests gave so much experience back then because everyone was low enough level that they had not run out of quests yet. (And people that power leveled wanted to get into "zen squads", or failing that, some of them would "hunt fishies".)
Still, I am mildly amused by the way you use the word "earn" to distinguish between people playing games and people working for a living. Personally, I recently spent $100 of my own money here, and I am not going to feel ashamed for doing so.
Mind you, I do agree that the previous long-term gameplay side of things essentially no longer exists. Short term gameplay remains, but the long term aspects have changed so much they are almost unrecognizable.
But I still have my character, and some of my friends, and I am hoping that the expansion will have some fun things to do. I was getting a bit tired of the old grind, and I consider my spending money here to be no different in nature than spending money on a pre-order copy of some other game.
And, you never know... they might even fix the rubberbanding problems? (That one has gotten me killed, in TW, and is really no fun in any situation.)0 -
ViciousMinx - Dreamweaver wrote: »Yes it still can but point being how many will even attempt it that way?
Actually, alot do.. because they have no other choice.
One specific person I know - and many of his friends do not cashshop and do ok. They farm pretty hard, and group up.
They have 1 fashion, no fancy mount, and nothing earth shattering as gear but they also are experience (came from another version as I did).
Sure, they have to stop and farm, before they can buy hypers off someone vending, or might get lucky on a box they also got from a vendor and get a rare.
But it can be done. He uses the earn free zen and does surveys daily and was able to pay for his 1/2 of the marrage with the boxes were 10 gold recently.
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Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »-removed-
People used to zehn. People used to do RB, not for the sake of BH's, though, because they didn't exist then.
Other than that, you got it right. x)9x Veno - Liebe
9x Cleric - /\ngellus
8x Archer - Xaixu
6x Barb - \/ladamir
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How much? Just a few thousand?-Quests gave you more experiance, items, and rep.
Yeah I bet they were still disproportionate with the xp you need 80+. This is not something to point out. A useless fact >_>.
And TT is not dead to me.
The game is still fun to me.
Yea Veno was the most hated class. Now venomancer is the class full of noobs who use it to rush to 100 and make the good veno's look bad.
Lol, I dont care what anyone says. I earned my level. It was a tough ****ing 4 months to get there. YOU HAVE NO IDEA.
My one gripe with this game came at 90+. The NEED to FCC for leveling. Now that was getting on my nerves and I've been doing different things trying to avoid over-FCCing.0 -
experiment14 wrote: »Here's the thing, like Sherilys said not everyone here plays this game to grind forever. That idea of our culture versus asian cultures is true as it is often shown through sales of "classic" RPGs which are VERY popular over in those countries compared to ours. Our culture tends to revolve around action much more so because people here tend to want to kill now and have to work less to become stronger. Me personally, I enjoy working to build up but at the same time I don't have all the time in the world to put into this game with work and classes so it is nice to have hypers to get some more exp out of my grind (as much as people complain about them). Grinding is grinding, yes it took longer back before these items were implemented however now that they're here how does that make me LACK skill just because I can level a bit quicker. Just because I use hypers every now and then doesn't mean I just can afford to stock up on them (non-cash shopper). Also, you forget that you learn the tips and skills to be successful from higher levels and guides. I've gotten lots of tips on my characters from (leveling a couple almost simultaneously but slowly) higher level characters floating around the areas I've quested at or in town.
Sure, the culture differs. However, there are many people from different cultures in PWI, so not every1 has no time and needs everything here and now. Aside from the cultural differences, I'd like to point out a difference between playing 1-2 hours a day should be more rewarding rather than logging on, charging zen and getting rank 8 right away. Then use a few hours here and there...
Chinese people spend a whole day on the game, some dedicated players from PWI play a few hours a day, so why should a cser, who spends near to no time win with them all???
Consider the fact that not every new player is a cash shopper, also how hard is it to learn your class when you talk to higher levels? ESPECIALLY if you're not interested in PvP. This brings me to the point of PvP players vs. PvE players. It just interests me how much disrespect PvP players show PvE players, especially with the nickname "carebear". Why in the hell do you think it's valid to say that, why would you think that wouldn't make people upset? The irony I viewed came about in a guide made by a PvE player who is in the FW beta testing which is only PvP atm. He made ONE statement about certain PvP players being unintelligent drones who attack anything that moves (honest truth from what I've heard of PvP servers) and like 10 PvP players complained about that ONE line. Anytime someone disputes the name "carebear" they're dismissed as being sensitive... really? b:shocked
I wanted to say this after the 1st paragraph, but after this one, I have to do so. Yea.. you gainst most knowledge from forums, guides and higher lvl players, not from experience, yea.. I agree.. FULLY!!! Sure you can use hypers and/or oracles once in a while, but how do you learn to play a certain class if you SPAm oracles and hypers and NOTHING else? Just one spot for oracles. Just one dungeon for hypers. Yea.. you've seen a lot of youtube videos!!!
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Sorry, but I had to point this out. You a troll, nub, or just clueless?!?!? Uh, ah, or a MAJOR cser LOL.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »translated for teh truth b:cute
"teh truth" is you're not very bright. you make a choice to play a mmo. if you have any real history of playing mmos, you understand changes are made. and instead of massive QQing; you A) adjust to the game
quit the game
all the bellyaching = stupid
And IRL do you see anyone QQing when they buy a computer and then a month later newer hardware comes out?0 -
XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »"teh truth" is you're not very bright. you make a choice to play a mmo. if you have any real history of playing mmos, you understand changes are made. and instead of massive QQing; you A) adjust to the game quit the game
all the bellyaching = stupid
And IRL do you see anyone QQing when they buy a computer and then a month later newer hardware comes out?
Yes.
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I know more like you, its cool etc. but you miss one point. The gold you have bought with in-game coins. If there wasn't the guy who charged zen for you, you wouldn't have it. At least not rank 8 I bet. This fact makes non-cashshopers kind of cashshopers.\_Nicole_/ - Dreamweaver wrote: »I am a lvl 100 archer, never spent a dime on this game. However, I now have rank 8, lunar cape with 4 vit shards, warsoul helm, and a pan gu tome. It still can be done without being a cashshopper.
This is not critics, I just wanted to add some more QQ.
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