Psy's V Wiz

Wiz are still highest damage per hit, period. Psychics are slightly less powerful than wizzies, but can fire more skills in the same period of time- so I think they are overall more powerful.

psy out DD wizys by a long shot, ...unfortuantly -_-, my psy makes my wizy look like a littly b****

HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

that's totally wrong psychics also outdmg wiz in dmg per hit even without black voodoo and with black voodoo on its even worse. Wiz dmg is the 2nd lowest dmg in game now only clerics deal less dmg than a wiz. Roll a fish if you want all the fun. Roll a wiz if you want to feel gimped all the time

greetz harm0wnie

What drugs are you on?


Wizzie skills just plain hit harder. The INITIAL skills, yes, Psys hit harder if both classes use their basic skills, because they do the same damage for both classes but the Psy has black voodoo (DPH) and casts faster (DPS).
On the more advanced skills, Psys hit a ceiling of 200% weapon damage + whatever additional whereas wizzie skills just keep going. I'd like to see Red Tide hit harder than BIDS, or Sandburst Blast outdo Sandstorm.

But yes, Psys blow wizzies out of the water DPS-wise. At least, as long as -channeling gear remains somewhat difficult to obtain. The thing people forget though is that DPH can be very useful PVP-wise in certain situations where it's easier to one hit a target than to whittle away at his HP.

DemansPsy - Lost City wrote: »

what about if u take the psy's lv 100 skills into account? i think the 2 spark one would hit higher than a bids due to psy's black voodoo...

sage/demon bids or just lvl 10 bids?
with same gear and very similar weapon, yea stone smasher probably would hit a bit higher due to black voodoo
but lvl 11 bids would so outdamage it.



Stone Smasher: 400% gear's magical attack and 10253.1 Earth damage.
Lvl 10 BIDS: 500% of weapon damage plus 9648.9
Lvl 11 BIDS: 500% of weapon damage plus 13955.0.


though maybe the extra 100% weapon damage on the BIDS would make it hit harder...maybe.

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

What drugs are you on?


Wizzie skills just plain hit harder. The INITIAL skills, yes, Psys hit harder if both classes use their basic skills, because they do the same damage for both classes but the Psy has black voodoo (DPH) and casts faster (DPS).
On the more advanced skills, Psys hit a ceiling of 200% weapon damage + whatever additional whereas wizzie skills just keep going. I'd like to see Red Tide hit harder than BIDS, or Sandburst Blast outdo Sandstorm.

But yes, Psys blow wizzies out of the water DPS-wise. At least, as long as -channeling gear remains somewhat difficult to obtain. The thing people forget though is that DPH can be very useful PVP-wise in certain situations where it's easier to one hit a target than to whittle away at his HP.

the average dmg difference between a psy and a wiz at my lvl is 7k with white voodoo effect
you forgot the stacking effect of blessing with black voodoo

you should also consider sideeffects like bleed from red tide

@ThanosQRt --> wiz skills are horrible expensive too lvl 79 skill = 4 s stun that psy gets as normal skill ....

DemansPsy - Lost City wrote: »

what about if u take the psy's lv 100 skills into account? i think the 2 spark one would hit higher than a bids due to psy's black voodoo...

Well for one, I doubt it, simply because Black voodoo is just that: 22-25% more damage and nothing more. On the other hand, BIDS has an advantage with weapon damage (500 vs. 400) and Wizzies have more weapon damage on their weapons anyways. +12 all their **** and that extra weapon damage will REALLY start to add in.
Another thing is I simply doubt a Psy would use that skill as freely as a wizard uses their ultis. I mean, TECHNICALLY we hit harder than wizards DPH-wise if you just focus on the basic spells, but that's completely unrealistic: Wizzies often build their PVP around their ultimates; not their basics. At the same time, Psys heavily rely on Earth Vector and Psy will: the two-spark demand for that skill is just too much. Of course it has it's uses, but it's not practical for a Psy to rely on it and build it's strategy around it just for a CHANCE of having the highest magical DPH..

HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

the average dmg difference between a psy and a wiz at my lvl is 7k with white voodoo effect
you forgot the stacking effect of blessing with black voodoo

I didn't understand ****. :U

We're discussing damage per hit. That to me says who has the do-all, end-all highest hitting skills in the game. It is highly likely that this is Wizard, and even if Psy can beat Wizard with Stone Smasher, that's just ONE singular skill that out-performs, whereas the wizzie has a nice three ultimates. If we're talking about -THE- highest hitting skill, then that to me says well refined end-game weapons and level 100s: not level 89s. Psys have higher damage per hit than wizzies until level 39: doesn't mean you should go make a Psy if you want the highest DPH.

you forgot the stacking effect of blessing with black voodoo

NO.

30% is 30% is 30%. If a Psy has 55 attack level and a wizzie has 30, that's STILL a 25% difference. The Psy doesn't magically gain bonus damage for breeching 50 attack level; every attack level has the same value. The ONLY attack levels that a Psy has which a wizzie cannot are those from Black voodoo; everything else can be attained by both.

you should also consider sideeffects like bleed from red tide

Yes, because when I think Damage-per-hit, I think damage-over-time effects.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

Psy lvl 100 skill may (and I mean *may* because I've yet to see proof) hit higher than bids on HA.

Actually we can calculate this ****, can't we?

Sage black voodoo is 25% additional damage:


Stone smasher is 400% weapon damage + 10253

BIDS is 500% damage + 13955


400% * 1.25 is 500%

10253 * 1.25 is 12816

Keep in mind a Wizard can carry weapons that have higher damage on them, so 500% weapon damage for a wizard > 500% weapon damage for a Psy.



No idea if it can be calculated that way (just woke up and too lazy to put any real thought behind this :P) but that's 25% added onto both of the outbound numbers. I see it as highly unlikely that a Psy would out-do a Wizard on DPH.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »

well, you forgot the base magic attack so it's
1.25*BMA + 500%weapon + 12816
vs
1*BMA +500%weapon+13955

so BMA/4 vs 1139
considering that my magic attack is ~10k psy would win with 1.5k more dmg
assuming same magic attack and weapon damage

Wizzie would, again, have higher BMA to begin with.

And yeah, as you've stated: A wizzie has other forms of defense and nothing else to spend their sparks on: their ultimates are very practical for them. A Psy on the other hand has chi-dependent defense lines and several chi-dependent moves; that level 100 AOE doesn't seem very practical at all.

BlastingWave - Harshlands wrote: »

Assuming both psy and wiz have equal Base magic attack and weapon attack

And there's the problem already.

Wizards have higher damage capability on their weapons. Soulspheres aren't just there for looks: they're damage control.

We don't have equal base magic attack. This means the Wizard will gain more benefit from base magic attack and from that 500%. BIDS will hit harder.

Proski - Archosaur wrote: »

can a psychic hit an archer or other robe user for 20k when properly debuffed non-crit?

blade tempest

/thread

No, but we can fully resist said skill. b:cool

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

My favorite part was when she was arguing with a level 100 psy about hsi damage potential.

stop posting and play a toon in a faction that i am b:avoid

Ayz - Lost City wrote: »

I play MMORPG's for PVP. The way i play PVP is that i enjoy hitting high, oneshotting things and dieing really quickly. Mages/Wizards used to play this role in pretty much all MMO's. Due to the new expansion, have psychics changed this? Basically what i am asking is; 'What hits harder, Wizard, or psychic'?

Lol, do you hate fighting games? I bet you suck at them, learn how to fight in a real fighting game... Martial arts in real life... I want to take classes again, really fun.

Psy hits harder I think... IDK... Wiz is not hard to play in PVE or PVP.

Allynna_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Everybody talking about (Sage) BIDS, doesn't Blade Tempest actually hit harder when sparked? (gets 2x the spark bonues, and applies Base magic attack twice. The hardest hit I've done on my wizzard with a 20K non-crit with 2x spark on BT. (haven't tried 2x spark BIDS, but 1x spark BIDS only hits ~13K non crit).

I think BT is stronger on anything but HA in PvP or Increased Def mobs in PvE.

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

No, but we can fully resist said skill. b:cool

If you're talking about psy will, you gotta rmr BT is half mag also.

Back to the topic,

Everyone is talking about black voodoo and all but forgetting the damage increase from undine.

And while you're doing all the math of Stone Smasher vs lvl 11 BIDS, take the crit bonus for sage BIDS into account (since sage wiz should hit harder with the 5% mastery bonus anyway).

So take whatever dmg you get from BIDS (500% Wep attack+ 13955) and multiply it by 50% chance of 30% crit. Keep in mind every crit is 1% increase in damage on average (100% crit = 100% increase in damage, 50% crit = 50% average increase, etc.)

SOOO sage bids would give 1.15*(500% wep attack + 13955) in actuality = 575% wep attack + 16094.25.

I'd like to see 400% + 10253.1 dmg compete with that. Oh, and wizards have higher pdef from earth barrier and higher average ele resists. But psys with high soulforce are undoubtedly one of the best classes in the game.

wizard would get new skill on genesis expansion b:victory
i think it's because they very much toward nuking compared to other caster b:surrender