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  • zeyar
    zeyar Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    uptimus wrote: »
    Just wanted to say something. Unless those items from packs are NPC'd, no coin is injected into the economy. Coins are just changing hands with every transaction.

    Duke shouts: Let it be known that CashShopKing has recently acquired his 100th Token of Best Luck in just 1 hour. So that will make 50th Millions coins injected into this already over-inflated server and CashShopKing will buy every gold in AH for 999,999 coins each, buy more packs and inflate the economy more. Now, the rest of u players grinding & farming TTs for gear can go cry moar in corner.

    Best Luck token comes from pack. 2 of them can exchange for 10Mil coins note at PWI Boutique agent. That 10Mil coins note CAN BE NPCed to give u 10Mil coins. That is serious injection.

    Yes, gold price is based on supply & demand.
    Yes, Packs make it easier or cheaper to obtain some awesome items.
    Yes, coins from buying/selling Gold & Items just change hands among players.

    But the coins reward from 2xBest Luck tokens are created out of no where. b:bye
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I don't know what you all discussing here. Do you think, the GM doesn't know what cost inflation? They know it very good. BUT they don't do nothing about it, because packs are their income. They just cut income coins from TW and they thought that will be better. But main problem PACKS still remaining. They never remove pack because they are too greedy already.
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  • VonSabrewulf - Harshlands
    VonSabrewulf - Harshlands Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    We get it, the economy is inflated cause of pack sales and the likes, over here in HL gold is holding steady at 700k. It never had anything to do with TW pay, but i dont blame them thats what companys do in the real worldm they try to make money. Now if they really want to listen to the customers bring TW back by changing it back to coins. They still make money from packs and we get something to do besides farming 24/7
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    zeyar wrote: »
    Duke shouts: Let it be known that CashShopKing has recently acquired his 100th Token of Best Luck in just 1 hour. So that will make 50th Millions coins injected into this already over-inflated server and CashShopKing will buy every gold in AH for 999,999 coins each, buy more packs and inflate the economy more. Now, the rest of u players grinding & farming TTs for gear can go cry moar in corner.

    Best Luck token comes from pack. 2 of them can exchange for 10Mil coins note at PWI Boutique agent. That 10Mil coins note CAN BE NPCed to give u 10Mil coins. That is serious injection.

    Yes, gold price is based on supply & demand.
    Yes, Packs make it easier or cheaper to obtain some awesome items.
    Yes, coins from buying/selling Gold & Items just change hands among players.

    But the coins reward from 2xBest Luck tokens are created out of no where. b:bye

    i think that his point was that extra coins will be inserted IF you npc the best luck tokens.
    there are a lot of people that actually USE the tokens and therefore they vanish so they can get tt100 weapons, boots etc etc

    while you can count how many tokens are inserted into the economy you can only estimate how many of them will actually be traded for 5mil in the npc.
    same goes for regular tokens. basically i would dare to say that very few tokens are actually npc'ed (1) cause many ppl dont know about that (2) tokens are extremely useful and quite cheap so they are available to the wide public.

    i dont know what happens in ur server but in DW there are regular wcs from ppl that sell best luck ~5mil. moreover usually there are 1-2 ppl in my faction that want to buy best luck so most of the tokens that faction mates get are sold to those.
  • zeyar
    zeyar Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Thanos, i m on same server as u, and i had run few Nirv with u in the past.
    I m not pointing out abt the regular tokens which u can get alot of useful stuffs with them. I agree that they r widely used.

    But on the other hand, majority of the BL tokens r getting traded for 10Mil note. I m pretty sure abt it cos i have not come across a person trying to buy up 40 BL tokens in a while. In fact how many of the players in DW are actually trying to get Forest wisdom or Heavenrage boots by trading with 40 BL tokens, at this point ? Even if there is 1 player a day trading them, and that is big big IF, it doesnt need half a day supply of BL tokens, the other half become coins.

    and of cos when u have 1 BL token, u either buy another for 4.9~5.1Mil or sell urs for 4.9~5.1Mil cos nobody in their right mind will pay more than that b:laugh
  • NightRage - Raging Tide
    NightRage - Raging Tide Posts: 1,582 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    VonSabrewulf - Harshlands wrote: »
    We get it, the economy is inflated cause of pack sales and the likes, over here in HL gold is holding steady at 700k. It never had anything to do with TW pay, but i dont blame them thats what companys do in the real worldm they try to make money. Now if they really want to listen to the customers bring TW back by changing it back to coins. They still make money from packs and we get something to do besides farming 24/7

    We've always gotten it. Now it's time for the company to get it and own up to their epic failures.
  • WraithTanker - Sanctuary
    WraithTanker - Sanctuary Posts: 344 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    uptimus wrote: »
    Just wanted to say something. Unless those items from packs are NPC'd, no coin is injected into the economy. Coins are just changing hands with every transaction.


    u realize. 2 Perfect Tokens=10 mil bank note right?
  • Mrvate - Heavens Tear
    Mrvate - Heavens Tear Posts: 406 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    WraithTanker - Sanctuary wrote: »
    u realize. 2 Perfect Tokens=10 mil bank note right?

    What I think he was trying to say is, they're not technically a true 5m coin into the economy. As there are other things you can do with them. The main thing is making the red mat for tt100 fists. Which makes it not technically inflation.

    But yes realistically it does inject alot of coin into the economy since alot of them are changed to big bank notes and npc'd.
  • uptimus
    uptimus Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    zeyar wrote: »
    Best Luck token comes from pack. 2 of them can exchange for 10Mil coins note at PWI Boutique agent. That 10Mil coins note CAN BE NPCed to give u 10Mil coins. That is serious injection.

    How many are actually exchanging BLTs for notes? How many are using it themselves? How many are in catshops?

    I won't argue that 10mil isn't a serious injection. But you have to consider how many are actually doing it.
  • uptimus
    uptimus Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    WraithTanker - Sanctuary wrote: »
    u realize. 2 Perfect Tokens=10 mil bank note right?

    And what is wrong with what I said? You still have to NPC the notes. So until those notes are sold to NPC, nothing is being injected.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    If I had to guess I would say 95% of tokens of best luck are turned into 10 million notes.

    I base this off of the rate I see people getting TT100 weapons / event boots / event helm and the rate I see duke shouts for best luck tokens. Most of the other exchanges are kinda bogus and probably tuned for the PW-CN economy.
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  • Allynna_ - Dreamweaver
    Allynna_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Actually I think the TT 100 matts sell for more than their BLT npc price.

    Then again, getting that many BLT together, not to mention the number of people who seem interested in TT 100 . . .
  • BloodyVampie - Heavens Tear
    BloodyVampie - Heavens Tear Posts: 133 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    well there is the problem.... ppl think they need to be competitive... (actually i dunno why, get some friends and u can still run everything) furthermore, i dont know why should i even try to get the best equip on a PvE server so bad that i use hundres or thousands of dollar (waste of money imo better move to a PvP server then it might be "worth" spending rl money)
    the other problem is as far as i read here the option to change 2 TOBL for 10 mil and wedding wine for 99999 coins. if they would remove those 2 options, they might work against inflation in long terms.
    but the damage is already done and many high lvls r in the game => many players do BH100 and that is a lot of money injected to the game too.(dunno the chance of getting 2 mil coins from BH I).
    In the end people might run more Rebirths again haha(was a great option to make money 1.5 years ago or so)
  • Dejack - Heavens Tear
    Dejack - Heavens Tear Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Well said :D

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