PETS: DD vs Tank || Best Flying Pet

Mauntille - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Actually, as someone who has run FF from level 75 on, the herc really starts to loose it's value in FF90+. 95+ it's a joke. I see countless herc venos repeatedly asking in world chat for FF90/95+ squads. When you get that high, hercs can't hold aggro against a majority of the DDs and it's incredibly inefficient time-wise and pot-wise to have your full squad nerf to let a herc tank.

FF is all about fast xp. From 75-90, herc > DDs. When you get to 90+, DDs > herc. (There are some exceptions of course, but this seems to be the norm.)

Thank you. Someone had to post this again. The only time herc can tank comfortably is during [?] bosses. But even then, a high DD can pull aggro from it easily.

Mysti, before you talk about venos like you know everything, level yours up. It seems like you're missing out on the 8x-9x perspective. Hercs loose its value at higher levels, period. I just did 2-3 with some people and I didn't even need a pet since the barb/BM tanked the whole instance. But I did use my Kowlin for pulling/debuffing.

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Gelnd answered this much better than i could have. And i do enjoy my pets so there really is no point getting upset about some of us making different choices.

You could of but it any other way and I don't have have any flaws.btw MANray you made my post count go up a lot.

V foolish how.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

You could of but it any other way and I don't have have any flaws.btw MANray you made my post count go up a lot.

V foolish how.

b:chuckle

We need a sticky guide that says that the new classes are so OP, soloable, and make 4x as much coin as Veno's 100 levels higher, and they can use any pet including AC as attack pets so all the fails and trolls will move on and stop posting stupid **** in this forum. b:chuckle

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Unfortunately all the fails are dead set on selling the idea all venos MUST get an herc... I'm afraid they've proven their unwillingness to leave...

dont lose hope , one day they will quit this game , i hope b:surrender

Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary wrote: »

I've gotten to the point to where i don't wanna pull my herc out during bhs cause either me or someone else is gonna steal aggro from it. It always happens. Thats why i feel it best for me to lvl up a DD/debuffer pet, since it will have some value.

But on a side note, do nix's lose their value later on? (And im not talking about from a pvp point of view.)

hercs lose their value? news to me, if you are spending 1/4 of the time healing as you would with any other pet, you have that much more time to use other skills. who cares if other people steal agro from it on [?] bosses, 1- its their fault if they where counting on the herc to tank and cant control their damage, if they are a better tank and do more DD, let them have it, its better for everyone. because they can take more damage than anything else, herc are the best lures, you cant solo card bosses with other pets, you still cant solo TTs with other pets, you cant aoe grind with other pets, 5aps is better on [?] and is also much more expensive than a herc, not being the tank for everything doesn't make a herc any less valuable. i would say their value levels off at a point, but it doesnt drop.

nix's never lose their value either, pvp or pve.

there's nothing stopping you from having a DPS pet and a debuff pet too. the more tools you have to work with, the better. but if the tool is only gonna hold you or your party back, its the wrong tool for the situation. nothing says you have to have your pet out and at the ready at all times, sometimes they just get in the way, aggroing extra mobs, dying excessively, etc.

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »

dont lose hope , one day they will quit this game , i hope b:surrender

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

hercs lose their value? news to me, if you are spending 1/4 of the time healing as you would with any other pet, you have that much more time to use other skills. who cares if other people steal agro from it on [?] bosses, 1- its their fault if they where counting on the herc to tank and cant control their damage, if they are a better tank and do more DD, let them have it, its better for everyone. because they can take more damage than anything else, herc are the best lures, you cant solo card bosses with other pets, you still cant solo TTs with other pets, you cant aoe grind with other pets, 5aps is better on [?] and is also much more expensive than a herc, not being the tank for everything doesn't make a herc any less valuable. i would say their value levels off at a point, but it doesnt drop.

nix's never lose their value either, pvp or pve.

there's nothing stopping you from having a DPS pet and a debuff pet too. the more tools you have to work with, the better. but if the tool is only gonna hold you or your party back, its the wrong tool for the situation. nothing says you have to have your pet out and at the ready at all times, sometimes they just get in the way, aggroing extra mobs, dying excessively, etc.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

Right now I am concentrating on my Cleric as well as another game where my guild is in.I want to get my Cleric to demon or sage plus get a few skills.I will then work on my Veno getting it to sage maybe demon but I prefer sage.I got to much invested into this char. as it now has 2 Leg. pets.

I would say that Herc would never lose it value or I want my money back if that is the case.I would prefer Lunar or Kowlin and you could of debuffed.

Like the poster above me says Hercs still have their value.

Well i didn't say they had no value. My herc has served me well for a long time, but in bh's it wont hold aggro at all, even with lvl 5 bash. Even non-int characters steal from it. In TT or Fcc it usually holds aggro, unless there's a sin or bm with good interval bonuses. I don't mind aggro being stolen from it, cause that gives me a better chance to DD and debuff, but I am asking in these situations if it would be better to pull out a different pet. And in nirvana, they don't tank the bosses do they?

Quoting myself to clarify what I meant...

Mauntille - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Actually, as someone who has run FF from level 75 on, the herc really starts to loose it's value in FF90+. 95+ it's a joke. I see countless herc venos repeatedly asking in world chat for FF90/95+ squads. When you get that high, hercs can't hold aggro against a majority of the DDs and it's incredibly inefficient time-wise and pot-wise to have your full squad nerf to let a herc tank.

FF is all about fast xp. From 75-90, herc > DDs. When you get to 90+, DDs > herc. (There are some exceptions of course, but this seems to be the norm.)

I didn't mean to say that the herc loses it's value period. However, the herc is meant to take damage and not deal it. In the case of higher level FF, a herc is really only preferable on aoe bosses, since it won't be tanking. Even on the aoe bosses it's debatable. As long as your pet can take a hit or two, then you should be fine. It's well known that a herc does less damage compared to many other pets, so the time spent popping an extra heal on occasion evens out with the extra damage/debuffs other pets can apply.

If you become a pet cleric, it's a different story and you shouldn't be using that pet (assuming you aren't the tank).

You can definitely do much more with a herc and having one makes things easier, but depending on the circumstance, the gains in having one can be diminished.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

I would go down into TT with full sqd only to open the doors but go down with a Bm or Cleric with RB.

Do you mean BB instead of RB? Since RB conflicts with red spark?

Well, thanks for the answers Sasha and Mauntille. Anyways, you said a nix doesnt lose any value at all, pvp or pve, right? I hear it's the queen of grinding pets basically, and if it's got protect added to it, it can tank outside bosses, or oht ones. Also someone told me in high lvls it can make more money than a herc soloing TT. (Just asking these questions since i just got mine the other day)

Mauntille - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That makes more sense; guess I misread your initial post. I thought you meant just taking the BM and the cleric with RB. Is this new TT or old TT?



Np. Yeah, as long as you're spending time outside, I have yet to see a scenario where the nix doesn't have it's full value.

I do know someone who got a nix and not a herc and doesn't spend any time outside. So while the nix is still valuable, it's wasted on this person.

Nixes are generally worth it because it rips mobs to shreds during questing, cutting the time in half. I don't do quests often enough recently to make it worth it though. b:surrender

The only time it gets annoying is when you have to jump and make the nix follow in order to get to your target (same with all air pets). But imo air pets are all worth the coin.

You can't exactly effectively DD on ground mobs if you fly, and I really despise air grinding ><

Well yea I know i can't effectively DD on ground mobs in the air. But im talking about grinding on those sentries in oht. That's usually where im grinding, and it doesnt really matter if I DD. So best to stay in air, imo. But any other place, I'd be on the ground and put up with the jumping. lol

Till now (lvl74) i've been useing a GW & an eldergoth marksman as land-pets.
in valley of disaster i recently caught a dodon laronist (big red chicken) witch looks also good, only a bit low on hp, but comes with bash & fireball lvl3 and as 3e skill howl lvl2 witch r all good for DD. Thx2 the marksman i can solo lots of mobs/bosses that u can't do without a herc, being a ranged pet, u can stay out of aoe-zones + most bosses do less ranged damage then 1-on-1 damage.

So basicly if i had 2 choose 1 alround pet, i'd go for the marksman (named Kong btw). It doesn't hold aggro verywell, but if u solo u'd have not mutch trouble with that, just let it built up some aggro then 2 shot-heal pet combo.

Have fun & cya in game ,
Venomman b:cool

well if i was u i had not waste coins or time on legendary pets, normal pets work fine 2, and use those pets u like.
And keep lvl em and give them skills-lvl skills^^ u alredy have good tank, but if u wanna get better DD, u may have 2 find pet w hige patk build. scope and sawflys are know as much patk, but hp/pdef/mdef is not that good. wel u have 2 try em out.
Only way 2 find out if u like em