Worst Class For Getting in a Random Squad

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  • Elviron - Dreamweaver
    Elviron - Dreamweaver Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I would put in "noobs" and "newbs" if the option were there. Most random squads prefer people who have done the instance before (except in the case of TT i guess) over first - timers.
  • Flickerfae - Sanctuary
    Flickerfae - Sanctuary Posts: 351 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    My point went to Sins, just because I'm always cautious about how many Sins I accept in my own squads.

    Depending on how the squad is already filled out, any of the squishies (yeah, I include some Sins in that, depending on build and playstyle) can have a hard time getting in, whereas BMs and Archers can often serve as awesome backup tanks if something goes wrong. I've had way too many Sins who thought they could tank (or just didn't check their damage) get two-shotted to trust Sins wholly in party. It feels like I'm babysitting them a lot of the time, constantly checking to see what they're hitting and keeping an eye on their health bar if they have a tendancy to steal aggro (and quite a few of them do, and then don't stealth out of it). At least Psys, Wizzes, and Venos are distance casters, so the entire party can see when they accidentally steal aggro. b:surrender
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    _Zappy_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Due to fishy racism, I'd say psy, with sins being a bit more wanted because of high APS. I dunno why wiz got so high I've never had problems getting into any squad but nirvana o.O
    Likely because most voters play endgame and realize how much it sucks to be a wiz or psy trying to get into a Nirvana squad.

    Sins are wanted for virtually everything but RB. Psy's and Wizards were always my favorite combo for DD's (or even a psy/wiz/archer combo with one of them running tickets thru wave 2, likely archer -- only did this once or twice but loved it) for that instance.
  • Ohms - Sanctuary
    Ohms - Sanctuary Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    My vote went to psychics. Thats a good part of the reason I rerolled. I'm not exactly sure if any of it was because of the server I was on, But usually when I'd ask for squads the response was something similar to this "Ohh a psy, You're like a mini fish wizard right?" "Lets just find a non-squishy DD".........lol.
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  • Fangxing - Heavens Tear
    Fangxing - Heavens Tear Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Krisnda - Lost City wrote: »
    Not anymore, dumb genies taking our jobs... lol.

    There are many places where a genie cannot lure as well as a veno. Take Wurlord for instance, too many times am I in squads where some idiotic sin or BM becomes too impatient and instead of pulling just Wurlord, they pull all the adds with them.

    Worst class for getting in a random squad: I'm not really sure...my biased P.O.V. I'd say venos without hercs even though I can say those venos without hercs are most likely 900% better than many of the venos with hercs cause they have to watch their backs.
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  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    _Zappy_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I dunno why wiz got so high I've never had problems getting into any squad but nirvana o.O

    Wiz is high because outside of RB, we get lost in the DD scramble without the benefits some other classes have, namely:

    Psychics have better dps, support skills, aoe stuns
    Sins have much better dps, and much better buffs (bloodpaint (i think) in particular)
    Archers have better dps and STA for bosses
    BM's back up tank, awesome buffs, better dps
    Veno's better dps, better buffs, puller, pass chi, if with herc back up tank

    If aoe isn't all but required (like it is in RB, although we are replaceable there too), we can easily be replaced by better options.

    We are better in higher magic attack squads (barb, cleric, wiz, psy, psy, bm maybe) because our debuff will give a significant boost to the damage the psychics do, but since it doesn't really help barb, cleric and bm, and it shows up on boss and not a buff you walk around with, it gets overlooked somewhat.
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  • Krisnda - Lost City
    Krisnda - Lost City Posts: 1,465 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Fangxing - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    There are many places where a genie cannot lure as well as a veno. Take Wurlord for instance, too many times am I in squads where some idiotic sin or BM becomes too impatient and instead of pulling just Wurlord, they pull all the adds with them.

    Worst class for getting in a random squad: I'm not really sure...my biased P.O.V. I'd say venos without hercs even though I can say those venos without hercs are most likely 900% better than many of the venos with hercs cause they have to watch their backs.
    I know about the luring thing, Was just making a joke :D. And i 100% agree, we always have to watch our backs (which is why i got feral concentration XD). I also have to say that I don't see Psy's anymore, and I don't agree with the people saying that veno is the most popular class, I think that the amount of people who have mains that are venos has declined, I rarely see any in squads, and when im in a squad, they usually forget im a veno XD.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    As for the psychic vs wiz contest.

    Not once have I ever seen a squad WC that they wanted a psychic.
    I see people WC asking for wiz for delta or fcc but never psychic.

    People think that a psychic is a wiz without zhen and people dont even want a wiz. Technically a psychic may have more dps but neither class is ever wanted for their dps at high levels.

    I think the reason that psychic is getting fewer votes than wiz is that people forget about them.
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  • Myralis - Sanctuary
    Myralis - Sanctuary Posts: 977 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Voted veno...

    Simply due to the fact theres so many of them and theres always already one in squad before me b:cry
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  • Segreta - Sanctuary
    Segreta - Sanctuary Posts: 291 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Assuming that we're talking about BHs...
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    BM
    4/5
    Good sub-tank if squad can't find a barb,also have a useful squad buff and the second best DD endgame

    Wiz
    2/5
    A DD with some healing skills(Generally better than Psy)but no particular useful buffs

    Cleric
    5/5
    *ahem*

    Archer
    1/5
    A DD with no healing skills and no particular useful buffs,have a good debuff on bosses with High Hp

    Veno
    3/5
    A versatile DD/Support/Sub-tank that can kill mobs in the way while the squad is looking for a Cleric,also have a decent buff and some good debuffs(Amplfy/Ironwood/Myriad)

    Barb
    5/5
    *aehm*

    Sin
    3/5
    A DD with no healing skills and a cool buff for BMs/Barbs,also have a good debuff(Rib Strike).With some good gear It can speed up considerably boss killing

    Psy
    2/5
    A DD with some healing skills and no particular useful buffs
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  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Segreta - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Psy
    2/5
    A DD with some healing skills and no particular useful buffs

    20% better heals? b:avoid


    just ask yourself: when was the last time i saw a wc asking for a psy and not a wiz? there you go
  • Segreta - Sanctuary
    Segreta - Sanctuary Posts: 291 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    20% better heals? b:avoid


    just ask yourself: when was the last time i saw a wc asking for a psy and not a wiz? there you go

    I rarely see Psy casting that buff,and in general,I rarely see Psy around b:puzzled
    Do they hide somewhere b:avoid

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  • Montcalm - Archosaur
    Montcalm - Archosaur Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Who the heck has been voting cleric and barb?...b:chuckle
  • Segreta - Sanctuary
    Segreta - Sanctuary Posts: 291 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Probably those Charmed Fist BM with 5 aps and 20k Hp who solo the hell of everything ? b:chuckle
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  • Tojop - Dreamweaver
    Tojop - Dreamweaver Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I want to know who the hell voted bm
  • Ninnuam - Sanctuary
    Ninnuam - Sanctuary Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Where's the option for "idiots"? I really don't discriminate apart from that lil tidbit xD
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  • SugarPrinces - Sanctuary
    SugarPrinces - Sanctuary Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    well seeing as the only 3 classes i've played is veno, sin and cleric, imma vote veno, seeing as i've actually been kicked from squad before after saying no to "do you have a herc?" in a tt and bh squad... i cant even imagine what its gonna be like when it comes time to do FCC etc...

    somehow i have no issues getting and stayin in squads on my cleric.. and on my sin sometimes takes a bit to find a squad for what i need but i always get one eventually, just gotta wait till someone is actually doin the run i need.
  • PaMpeReD - Heavens Tear
    PaMpeReD - Heavens Tear Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    i vote veno since drunken veno is tadaa like me :P
  • Graviora - Dreamweaver
    Graviora - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,073 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    I think every class is useful... as long as they know the instance, how to play their class, and is generally not a jerk..
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  • Xallah - Archosaur
    Xallah - Archosaur Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Bullshyt. I will ALWAYS take a wizard over just about anything else, they have great AoE and damage. Psychics definitely should be on top of this poll. I never take a Psy unless they're a friend. All they do is pull aggro and die consistently, and always with some QQ excuse. Psychics are worthless for everything except PKing.

    On a side note.. during the event that sends you into the temple with other people to try and get the highest room score (killing bosses that keep respawning over and over), I outdamage a Psy that was only a couple levels below me (I'm 95 he was like 93). Both of us were squadless and I got all the drops when the boss died. It was only him and I on the boss and we got to the boss at the exact same time. The boss was Physical Immune, so my pet was doing **** for damage with Icicle (I think icicle is even physical damage & I do not have a legendary pet). I have very average equipment. If a Psy cannot out damage a Venomancer then why even use them at all? I'll never pick a Psy again unless their gear is out-freaking-standing and they're a known pro player.
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Xallah - Archosaur wrote: »
    Bullshyt. I will ALWAYS take a wizard over just about anything else, they have great AoE and damage. Psychics definitely should be on top of this poll. I never take a Psy unless they're a friend. All they do is pull aggro and die consistently, and always with some QQ excuse. Psychics are worthless for everything except PKing.

    On a side note.. during the event that sends you into the temple with other people to try and get the highest room score (killing bosses that keep respawning over and over), I outdamage a Psy that was only a couple levels below me (I'm 95 he was like 93). Both of us were squadless and I got all the drops when the boss died. It was only him and I on the boss and we got to the boss at the exact same time. The boss was Physical Immune, so my pet was doing **** for damage with Icicle (I think icicle is even physical damage & I do not have a legendary pet). I have very average equipment. If a Psy cannot out damage a Venomancer then why even use them at all? I'll never pick a Psy again unless their gear is out-freaking-standing and they're a known pro player.


    you are an idiot.
    remind me never to pick a veno unless they have herc
  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Xallah - Archosaur wrote: »
    Bullshyt. I will ALWAYS take a wizard over just about anything else, they have great AoE and damage. Psychics definitely should be on top of this poll. I never take a Psy unless they're a friend. All they do is pull aggro and die consistently, and always with some QQ excuse. Psychics are worthless for everything except PKing.

    On a side note.. during the event that sends you into the temple with other people to try and get the highest room score (killing bosses that keep respawning over and over), I outdamage a Psy that was only a couple levels below me (I'm 95 he was like 93). Both of us were squadless and I got all the drops when the boss died. It was only him and I on the boss and we got to the boss at the exact same time. The boss was Physical Immune, so my pet was doing **** for damage with Icicle (I think icicle is even physical damage & I do not have a legendary pet). I have very average equipment. If a Psy cannot out damage a Venomancer then why even use them at all? I'll never pick a Psy again unless their gear is out-freaking-standing and they're a known pro player.
    Psychics are actually better than wizards at AOE instances -- lunar, RB, FF, WS.. and are way more useful than venos.

    However, I will point out that just about in all of those cases except lower level FF, you will find that you as a veno are easily expendable to a psychic, especially in RB. I think that venos, especially herc'd ones, get a false sense of security and being needed from all the lower level FF's where pet damage is very useful for bosses and AOE classes aren't too necessary since mob groups drop so quickly. Otherwise, veno wouldn't even be under consideration over a better AOE class.

    The event you were talking about sounds like City of Abominations, and you're on the server Archosaur, so none of that surprises me.
  • Xallah - Archosaur
    Xallah - Archosaur Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    ^ I was talking about Wizards & Psychics not Venos. I actually voted Veno's to be hardest to get a group. My point was that I don't take Psys because as far as I've seen they're all terribad. Only one has impressed me--a faction officer of mine named Elysiam in Nemesis.

    I don't know what any of these are: "lunar, RB, FF, WS" but I would like to see something that provides me with any challenge at all in this game. I'm 95 on my first toon which is a Veno, and so far what matters is the player skill not the class (excluding BMs). So far nothing comes even remotely close to hard mode bosses in the craft. Hard mode Lich King (any hard mode boss for that matter) is eons ahead of any boss in PWI in terms of challenge (where I spent my time playing as a raid leader and tank/dps/heals in three different raid teams before I started PWI). My point is I've a keen eye when talking about skill, difficulty, and class involvement/necessity. Even if it was a different game, the similarities are all too common. You were talking like my class wouldn't be accepted because of it's inability to complete tasks as efficiently as Psychics. I can't disagree because I haven't played any of those instances mentioned. Sometimes certain fights require certain classes, yeah yeah. In this game, with the right Genie and elixirs on hand you can do a lot more than people have come to expect as a Venomancer.. but who cares anyway? Come play on Archosaur and see for yourself. See the fail that the Psychic class has become.
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Xallah - Archosaur wrote: »
    Bullshyt. I will ALWAYS take a wizard over just about anything else, they have great AoE and damage. Psychics definitely should be on top of this poll. I never take a Psy unless they're a friend. All they do is pull aggro and die consistently, and always with some QQ excuse. Psychics are worthless for everything except PKing.

    On a side note.. during the event that sends you into the temple with other people to try and get the highest room score (killing bosses that keep respawning over and over), I outdamage a Psy that was only a couple levels below me (I'm 95 he was like 93). Both of us were squadless and I got all the drops when the boss died. It was only him and I on the boss and we got to the boss at the exact same time. The boss was Physical Immune, so my pet was doing **** for damage with Icicle (I think icicle is even physical damage & I do not have a legendary pet). I have very average equipment. If a Psy cannot out damage a Venomancer then why even use them at all? I'll never pick a Psy again unless their gear is out-freaking-standing and they're a known pro player.

    I can't understand why you don't have great gear if you don't have Leg. pet most hercless Venos do have great gear and halffast pets.It is what they spend most of their coin on instead of saving up for big guy there.

    I would go with a Sin as they are more fragile than a Barb or a BM.I would hate to have to waste my Iron Heart on them or mana.I know this from healing Sins on another game.

    ^I wouldn't say Venos as they have an easy time getting into a group especially those with herc.
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  • Meeeeowwwwww - Raging Tide
    Meeeeowwwwww - Raging Tide Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Wow @ People who voted Barb or Cleric haha xD
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  • Thrillseeka - Raging Tide
    Thrillseeka - Raging Tide Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    i heard from my buddy archers becouse they get argo to fast

    becouse off the high damege so its always hard for a barb to keep argo

    mostly they let the archers die

    but i see now the skill we do for to keep boss argo is lame not rely good to keep boss argo

    but then again am not high lvl yet so i hope it get better i find the cool down long in my few
  • Fangxing - Heavens Tear
    Fangxing - Heavens Tear Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I can't understand why you don't have great gear if you don't have Leg. pet most hercless Venos do have great gear and halffast pets.It is what they spend most of their coin on instead of saving up for big guy there.

    I would go with a Sin as they are more fragile than a Barb or a BM.I would hate to have to waste my Iron Heart on them or mana.I know this from healing Sins on another game.

    ^I wouldn't say Venos as they have an easy time getting into a group especially those with herc.

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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    ClericMD - Lost City wrote: »
    Weird I prefer have a veno (even if dont have herc) in squad to a sin or a wiz, venos can lure, make good damage, have that debuff that increase damage and hey they have a pet so you have 2 in 1 members in your squad, in game are very goods combat pets for venos, herc is no the only one.

    In personal i hate sins in squad hate this agro stolen....

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  • Umivee - Dreamweaver
    Umivee - Dreamweaver Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    This just seems to be coming down to the glass cannon, an unknown fish and a legend less furry. But I'll have to include any LA user.


    I just cannot vote here. I'd want to say the magic users and any LA user for either being vulnerable or the agro stealing that scares people to death.




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  • Yindra - Sanctuary
    Yindra - Sanctuary Posts: 784 Arc User
    edited November 2010
    Where is the option that says
    [x] any char that's not equipped for dungeon runs
    ???

    Basically, I wouldn't have a chance of getting into any party if I tried. Gear all blue and white except for one of the rings, sockets left empty, no skills beyond Ironwood and that isn't even maxed. Standard Crystalline Magmite pet.

    I might be able to convince a newbie to let me do his FB19, but that's about it for parties that I would be able to get in. With all the BH quests I probably wouldn't stand a chance to get someones FB29, as other people can clear it in a fraction of the time.

    In most games, and PW isn't an exception, it's the gear and money that matters, not the class or even the level.
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