Pet skills: Am I on the right track?

Zahlee - Lost City · October 2010

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

The OP asked for advice on how to skill the pets he had chosen, and while he did not agree with everything i suggested i think he came to make smart and legitimate choices in the end. That was the point of this thread, and not a repeat of the herc debate.

I'm a she!! lol b:sad b:laugh

MystiMonk - Sanctuary · October 2010

Zahlee - Lost City wrote: »

Hang on, so that would make me without a legendary pet, and only a half-assed skilled common pet? Doesn't that strike you as a bad idea? b:shocked (Sorry if that sounds a bit abrasive, but half-assed is the only thing that's coming to mind atm lol)

Don't get me wrong, I do understand your point though. If i was planning on getting a legendary pet in the near future, i wouldn't invest much into my common pets either. As it is now, i'm trying to skill my pets to try to get the most 'bang for my buck' while still not going overboard on spending coins. (IE: Keeping the icicle on the walker and adding toughen, instead of getting rid of all the skills then putting back on bash and the other skills i already have.) I just think that what you keep forgetting is that i'm not aiming to get a herc.

I would also just like to point out that i'm not anti-herc/nix. I'm just realistic in knowing what i'm going to be able to achieve with the amount of time i spend on this game. There's just no point in only half-skilling my common pets when i'm going to be using them everyday, for most likely over a year, while i penny pinch to try to save up for a herc.

Not to be a kill-joy.....but can we get back on topic now please? b:cry b:surrender

You know what I saw on my Barb when I was checking to see if any squad were around Khewy is alone Veno taking it on with GW.The pet died twice after it was ressed and the Veno started to attack it again the GW died it second time along with the Veno.I was doing the same with my Veno with my Herc was doing a good jop of it except the adds were throwing wood poison on me and no my genie doesn't have nullify poison.I died to but I wasn't killed by khewy only it adds.I was doing this for an Alt Char.

I still wouldn't invest that much coin on a pet I may not have or keep.I would only lvl them up one lvl.When I start to run out of room I just drop the eggs around the pet managers or merchants.I gave you the answers on first page if the wolf means that much keep it.I kept mine in my safe.

tweakz · October 2010

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Unlike the Wanderer the Tabby can actually Bash in some scenarios, such as with a herc tanking... The point in that thread was to illustrate the degree to which minmaxing has taken over as a prevailing attitude amongst a large part of the player base. The Tabby came to a difference of about 20 secs for every 10 minutes against the Wanderer, both working with the same squad in which the Wanderer would be responsable for a third of the dps output, already a ridiculous and unlikely scenario itself...

Where's the pudding? Are you comparing Tabby with Bash and Wanderer w/o? Bash generates a lot of aggro, so it's no fair comparison if so. L90 patk Tabby: 2060, Wanderer: 2779, with both having same atk speed. -That's like 4 hits per kill vs 6 ignoring amplification skills which would stretch the difference even farther.

My Tabby's got maxed Ream, Howl, Threaten and Bash. It is not uncommon for it to noticeably outperform other pets, including hercs, when not in the tanking role.

Not a Herc with the same skills, and there are pets which would further outperform a Tabby than a Tabby would a Herc.

The OP asked for advice on how to skill the pets he had chosen, and while he did not agree with everything i suggested i think he came to make smart and legitimate choices in the end. That was the point of this thread, and not a repeat of the herc debate.

Woah.. You're the one that brought the legendary pets up.

And to get it straight once again, it is not that me or any other venos are against people using legendary pets (i myself hope to one day get a nix) nor that we think other pets even compare to what these can accomplish on their specialized uses. It's the idea that there's only a single pet bag configuration that can be considered competent or competitive that we are very much against.

Make the same argument for weapons and see how far it gets you. They aren't all class pets: they've got a job to do. Not many like running things like FF with under geared players whether it's veno pet, BM axes or wiz's w/o aoe.

But let's look at it from a different perspective. Herc becomes mostly obsolete after 90+ so not spending twice as much as you would for your endgame weapon (say, a Lunar) on a pet that's only the best choice for the 80-90 level range is legitimate choice to make when you factor in resource management, even if it does mean somewhat diminished capacity.

Herc is far from obsolete. After 100, the only other pet I feel I need is for luring, air, and water. End game weapon also cost far more than a Herc as Herc comes with skills. Weapons cost much more to refine and imbue decently. Consider price of a high end refine, then compare the differences in damage between Wanderer and Tabby with that refine.

Edit; I do find it important to clarify that it was Solandri who was actually responsable for the math in that thread, although any mistakes in the conclussions drawn from it are ceratinly mine.

There's a habit to leave out crucial data by that person. Why isn't the thread even being referenced as in a link?

Desdi - Sanctuary · October 2010

I will leave myself out of this argument. I didn't want it to turn into an argument on the first place. However, I'd like to mention a thing:
Again, you turn things into a different direction comparing and giving examples of other things.

MANray_ - Sanctuary · October 2010

tweakz wrote: »

Where's the pudding? Are you comparing Tabby with Bash and Wanderer w/o? Bash generates a lot of aggro, so it's no fair comparison if so. L90 patk Tabby: 2060, Wanderer: 2779, with both having same atk speed. -That's like 4 hits per kill vs 6 ignoring amplification skills which would stretch the difference even farther.

The point is not whether the comparison is fair, lower dps means the Tabby can safely Bash with Herc tanking while the Wanderer can't. Different pets have different capacities and should each be used to their best advantage. And amplification skills work in the same proportion for both pets, if you're not going to actually challenge my math please avoid trying to muddle the point with unfounded speculation.

Not a Herc with the same skills, and there are pets which would further outperform a Tabby than a Tabby would a Herc.

I'm sure you don't mean skilling a Herc with with Howl and Threaten, do you? In practice few people bother keeping even their main damage skill up to level and this does include some Hercs... My Tabby does in fact outperform other pets not because of its base stats but because its been properly skilled and i do know how to use it. You can't debate my experience with it, and while you may argue other pets can also be skilled in the same way the fact remains only a handful are.

Woah.. You're the one that brought the legendary pets up.

No, Mistymonk did, the thread was right on track until this poster decided to throw the "you'd be better off spending that coin on SoF" argument...

Make the same argument for weapons and see how far it gets you. They aren't all class pets: they've got a job to do. Not many like running things like FF with under geared players whether it's veno pet, BM axes or wiz's w/o aoe.

This is a matter of opinion and you seem to have missed my argument entirely. It comes down to how much time/money you're willing to invest to acquire resources in this game and how you would use such.

Herc is far from obsolete. After 100, the only other pet I feel I need is for luring, air, and water. End game weapon also cost far more than a Herc as Herc comes with skills. Weapons cost much more to refine and imbue decently. Consider price of a high end refine, then compare the differences in damage between Wanderer and Tabby with that refine.

Herc does become obsolete. It is outperformed by other pets as DD and becomes suboptimal in its specialized uses as tank/crowd control. Yes, it remains useful for soloing but that is not what we are discussing here... As for endgame weapons not everyone holds to the same standard as you, many of us will not +10 our weps... My activities allow me to somewhat comfortably troll the forums throughout the day but not to log on to the game anything over 1-2 hours a day (which i wouldn't want to even if i could) so for those of us unwilling to invest anything more than you would pay for a p2p (not into wallet races) or a sizable part of our adult lives, what you may find "reasonable" is out of our reach.

There's a habit to leave out crucial data by that person. Why isn't the thread even being referenced as in a link?

You seem to have misread, i claimed all mistakes in the conclussions drawn from that data as mine. Solandri simply corrected my math and i consider it unfair he should be subjected to your comments just for being helpful. Have some decency for crying out loud. And if you want to ask for a link just do so nicely, it's not our fault you feel left out.

Zahlee - Lost City wrote: »

I'm a she!! lol b:sad b:laugh

b:surrender I'm sorry. In all fairness this is the internet.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary · October 2010

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

No, Mistymonk did, the thread was right on track until this poster decided to throw the "you'd be better off spending that coin on SoF" argument...

I just gave you advice on what to do instead of wasting all your coin on lvling up skills advice I got from twaekz.

I gave you my 2 bits worth either follow it or not and btw you ask the question as you are the OP.You could of made up your mind what do without making this thread up or asked fellow Veno is game.

anyway you got my 2 bits.

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear · October 2010

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

I just gave you advice on what to do instead of wasting all your coin on lvling up skills

"wasting"?

leveling up pet skills make those pets more efficient, more powerful tools. having more powerful and efficient tools makes your gameplay easier, faster, and safer. how is that "wasted"?

MANray_ - Sanctuary · October 2010

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

I just gave you advice on what to do instead of wasting all your coin on lvling up skills advice I got from twaekz.

I gave you my 2 bits worth either follow it or not and btw you ask the question as you are the OP.You could of made up your mind what do without making this thread up or asked fellow Veno is game.

anyway you got my 2 bits.

Well, i'm not the OP you know... And you may remember this thread http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=882042 in which after the effectiveness of leveling your pet's main aggro skill was established you resorted to the old "herc is expected" line...

Yeah, it shows that you follow advice from Tweakz...

Zahlee - Lost City · October 2010

Originally Posted by MANray_ - Sanctuary
No, Mistymonk did, the thread was right on track until this poster decided to throw the "you'd be better off spending that coin on SoF" argument...

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

I just gave you advice on what to do instead of wasting all your coin on lvling up skills advice I got from twaekz.

I gave you my 2 bits worth either follow it or not and btw you ask the question as you are the OP.You could of made up your mind what do without making this thread up or asked fellow Veno is game.

anyway you got my 2 bits.

Huh? lol I think your a bit confused. MystiMonk, what you just quoted was posted from MANray, not me.

And i made this thread because this is what the forums are for as far as i'm aware. b:question. I find it is much easier to find a decent answer here then in game. I also consider and respect everyone's advice, even if i don't take it.

Edit* ninja'd by MANray lol

Mauntille - Heavens Tear · October 2010

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

I just gave you advice on what to do instead of wasting all your coin on lvling up skills advice I got from twaekz.

It can be a waste or an investment.

1. You plan on getting a legendary and you plan to grind to get it.
200k is cheap when you consider the cost of getting a legendary. It can make you more efficient at grinding for coin, getting you your herc/nix faster. Plus, if you're using a pet you plan to keep anyway, you don't lose anything. Not even tweakz uses his herc for everything.
>> Investment

2. You plan on getting a legendary and you plan to merc and/or cashshop.
You won't be using the pet anyway, so there's really no point here.
>> Waste

3. You don't plan on getting a legendary pet.
Pets are one of the greatest tools for a veno. You can think of the type of pet as your weapon, the skills you put on it as the shards you imbue it with, and the level of those skills as the refinement. As with upgrading weapons, you pets and their skills are increasingly important as you level up. It's up to you to choose which upgrades you want to make and when. There are numerous combinations you can use. Some pets are obviously better than others as some weapons are better than others. However, there are many viable options.
>> Investment

Zahlee - Lost City · October 2010

Mauntille - Heavens Tear wrote: »

3. You don't plan on getting a legendary pet.
Pets are one of the greatest tools for a veno. You can think of the type of pet as your weapon, the skills you put on it as the shards you imbue it with, and the level of those skills as the refinement. As with upgrading weapons, you pets and their skills are increasingly important as you level up. It's up to you to choose which upgrades you want to make and when. There are numerous combinations you can use. Some pets are obviously better than others as some weapons are better than others. However, there are many viable options.
>> Investment

....This b:victory

And now to get the topic back on track

Just thought i'd post an update:

I have now managed to get my skills to:
Darkbreed Wolfkin
Level 4 flesh ream
Level 4 howl
Level 1 Roar
working on adding bash

Glacial Walker
Level 4 Icicle
Level 1 Roar
Level 4 Tough
working on adding Threaten

Petite Sawfly
Level 2 Bash
Level 1 toxic mist
working on adding flesh ream

Should i keep toxic mist on the sawfly? Since it's not giving me the advantage of dealing a different element from myself? Also, as someone suggested (i'm sorry i can't remember who atm) i'm thinking of adding shriek, since this seems like it could be useful for PvE and it has a quick cooldown time but i'm just concerned with how often/rarely i might use it. Any other opionions/facts on this would be appreciated. Thank You b:thanks b:pleased

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear · October 2010

Zahlee - Lost City wrote: »

Should i keep toxic mist on the sawfly? Since it's not giving me the advantage of dealing a different element from myself?

it's not a different element, true, but it's still a bash. if the regular bash you've got on there is the default skill --- or what you habitually set as the default skill --- then firing toxic mist whenever you see it in cooldown and remember only adds to the damage dealing. i can't see a backdraw to it unless you're fighting a wood resistant/immune mob, and there are mobs resistant or immune to any of the elements. so unless you're willing to remove it in favor of a physical bash, i don't think it matters all that much that it's a wood bash. if it were me, i'd probably even level it up.

MANray_ - Sanctuary · October 2010

Zahlee - Lost City wrote: »

....This b:victory

And now to get the topic back on track

Just thought i'd post an update:

I have now managed to get my skills to:
Darkbreed Wolfkin
Level 4 flesh ream
Level 4 howl
Level 1 Roar
working on adding bash

Glacial Walker
Level 4 Icicle
Level 1 Roar
Level 4 Tough
working on adding Threaten

Petite Sawfly
Level 2 Bash
Level 1 toxic mist
working on adding flesh ream

Should i keep toxic mist on the sawfly? Since it's not giving me the advantage of dealing a different element from myself? Also, as someone suggested (i'm sorry i can't remember who atm) i'm thinking of adding shriek, since this seems like it could be useful for PvE and it has a quick cooldown time but i'm just concerned with how often/rarely i might use it. Any other opionions/facts on this would be appreciated. Thank You b:thanks b:pleased

Congratulations, your skill sets do look good. I would follow Lennie's advice in regards to Toxic Mist and Shriek could make a good choice for a flying pet given the slow casting times of air mobs. You probably will be fighting these a lot in order to keep your pet up to level and the loot is usually nice. Another good choice could be Tough to help make your pet a bit less fragile.

And Yesh, me be working on me Ninja skills.

Mauntille - Heavens Tear · October 2010

Zahlee - Lost City wrote: »

....This b:victory

Just thought i'd post an update:

Overall: LGTM.

I have now managed to get my skills to:
Darkbreed Wolfkin
Level 4 flesh ream
Level 4 howl
Level 1 Roar
working on adding bash

I don't remember if I saw it in this thread or not, but after adding bash, you may want to right-click-default that skill when you summon. If for nothing else, it has a faster cooldown than FR so you'll be manually triggering a skill slightly less often. (Plus I find that ticking [ALT+2] easier than [ALT+5] easier, but that could just be me.)

As a side note: This also comes in handy if you ream a nix. The other benefit to changing the default there is that it makes it easier to coordinate stuns as pounce and lucky will overwrite each other.

Glacial Walker
Level 4 Icicle
Level 1 Roar
Level 4 Tough
working on adding Threaten

Alternating Tough and Threaten as stated before not only helps your walker tank, but it's good practice for using skills in general, such as cycling bash, icicle, and howl on the plumpfish.

One of my biggest pet peeves against other venos is that there are so many of them that never look beyond the default skills on their pets.

Petite Sawfly
Level 2 Bash
Level 1 toxic mist
working on adding flesh ream

Should i keep toxic mist on the sawfly? Since it's not giving me the advantage of dealing a different element from myself? Also, as someone suggested (i'm sorry i can't remember who atm) i'm thinking of adding shriek, since this seems like it could be useful for PvE and it has a quick cooldown time but i'm just concerned with how often/rarely i might use it. Any other opionions/facts on this would be appreciated. Thank You b:thanks b:pleased

Since you can go up to 4 skills, there's really no reason to unskill mist until you have something else you want to use instead of it. Ream and Bash you'll be using the most, but you can throw a mist (or maybe shriek if you get it) in there during the cooldowns.

Pros to mist: It's also a wood element so your pet will scale with you- it will be equally as hard for you to pull on earth mobs.

Cons to mist: It's also a wood element so you'll be weaker in general against wood resistant mobs.

IMHO, there isn't much difference between any of the elemental bashes. The one place it can really be advantageous is if you find yourself grinding on a specific type of mob a lot (and not just in one level range- constantly reskilling your pet would be silly). If you find that you're always fighting wood mobs, it might be better for you to have Thunderbolt since the mobs will be weaker to that element. But this is highly dependant on your playstyle.

You may also want to keep in mind that only one skill will fire by default. Before you max all skills on your pets, check to make sure that you're actually using them. It does you no good to add a skill that you'll never use. Some people can manage all the skills and some can't. Some just don't want to.

Bashes are great for damage. Debuffs and buffs are great for amplifying that damage and protection.

A quick note about debuffs though- if you're going to use them, make sure that they aren't overwriting your own (assuming yours are stronger). I cry a little inside every time I see myriad proc well only to be overwritten.

tweakz · October 2010

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

The point is not whether the comparison is fair, lower dps means the Tabby can safely Bash with Herc tanking while the Wanderer can't.

That doesn't mean the Wanderer can't do many other things, and there are scenarios where the Wanderer blows away the Tabby. Forget those? Howl decreases pet's dps while increasing party's and it fires less often than Bash. Flesh Ream is another that fires less often so it will produce less aggro than bash. You may also be forgetting that Herc's get reflect aggro.

Different pets have different capacities and should each be used to their best advantage.

There's nothing a Tabby can do that another pet can't do better. Enough with the fail arguments pls.

And amplification skills work in the same proportion for both pets, if you're not going to actually challenge my math please avoid trying to muddle the point with unfounded speculation.

What math? -lol

No, Mistymonk did, the thread was right on track until this poster decided to throw the "you'd be better off spending that coin on SoF" argument...

It's good advice that many venos follow despite all the jealous fails here posting out of spite.

This is a matter of opinion and you seem to have missed my argument entirely. It comes down to how much time/money you're willing to invest to acquire resources in this game and how you would use such.

Anyone that's actually playing the game should have no problem affording legendary pets by a reasonable level. Just like any other class should have no problem problem staying well equipped as they level.

Herc does become obsolete. It is outperformed by other pets as DD and becomes suboptimal in its specialized uses as tank/crowd control. Yes, it remains useful for soloing but that is not what we are discussing here...

What pets you have that are lvl 102? The effort to get a single one there is way more than the effort to earn a Herc and Nix and level them both up to 100. I rarely see venos pulling out any other pet in 100+ instances and if they do it doesn't tend to last long or be very effective.

As for endgame weapons not everyone holds to the same standard as you, many of us will not +10 our weps... My activities allow me to somewhat comfortably troll the forums throughout the day but not to log on to the game anything over 1-2 hours a day (which i wouldn't want to even if i could) so for those of us unwilling to invest anything more than you would pay for a p2p (not into wallet races) or a sizable part of our adult lives, what you may find "reasonable" is out of our reach.

Time is impertinent. Your XP doesn't go up faster than your income unless you let it: and make yourself a mooch.

MANray_ - Sanctuary · October 2010

tweakz wrote: »

That doesn't mean the Wanderer can't do many other things, and there are scenarios where the Wanderer blows away the Tabby. Forget those? Howl decreases pet's dps while increasing party's and it fires less often than Bash. Flesh Ream is another that fires less often so it will produce less aggro than bash. You may also be forgetting that Herc's get reflect aggro.

I referenced a very specific scenario, and no, i did not forget an Herc's reflect damage, which is precisely part of the reason a Tabby would posses a rather comfortable safety margin for skill use under said circumstances... Howl decreases pet dps by 1.5 secs but drops a mob's mag defense by 36% for 15 secs when maxed, which benefits not just a veno's damage output but that of every other caster attacking in the squad. You can figure out if this is worth it yourself. Ream comes in handy for pulling and it's long cooldown allows me to comfortably use it while hitting EP, Howl, Amping, nuking, sparking, etc. Maybe you can easily keep on top of a veno's job while hitting an Elemental Bash every 8 secs and still remain aware of what's going on, but some of us would rather choose a more practical playstyle.

There's nothing a Tabby can do that another pet can't do better. Enough with the fail arguments pls.

This was never an argument i made. Once again, i chose the Tabby because the particular combo of stats, size, speed was a perfect fit for my playing style. No other pet offers this particular configuration.

What math? -lol

The whole point about the Tabby was my estimate that the difference in dps output when it was compared to the Wanderer, and working with the very same squad, came to under 20 secs for every 10 minutes. I stand by my statement that some people (yes, this includes you) have taken minmaxing too far. This is what you should challenge with actual facts and figures, not just opinions. No doubt to you this difference will seem unacceptable but i believe it is well within a reasonable range, especially considering the advantages my specific pet brings to the table. And is not just the skills but the convenience of not having to tab target or shift click through a large sized veno pet, as well as the advantage of having a multi-role pet which can efficiently pull or debuff without having my having to constantly switch amongst specialized types, some of which i may not be overly familiar with.

It's good advice that many venos follow despite all the jealous fails here posting out of spite.

Yes, this particular poster prides himself in following your advice. He also ignored Solandri's hard data on the convenience of leveling Bash when saving for a Herc. Hey, but don't let actual facts and figures get in the way of what you or your followers "know" to be right.

Anyone that's actually playing the game should have no problem affording legendary pets by a reasonable level. Just like any other class should have no problem problem staying well equipped as they level.

Yes, you have many times expressed your opinion on this respect but remained suspiciously silent whenever i have provided actual figures on exactly how long it would take to accomplish this. Because, once again, facts are something that doesn't actually matter to you. No, you think vile can substitute for reason...

What pets you have that are lvl 102? The effort to get a single one there is way more than the effort to earn a Herc and Nix and level them both up to 100. I rarely see venos pulling out any other pet in 100+ instances and if they do it doesn't tend to last long or be very effective.

Again, please provide actual game scenarios, your just saying so simply doesn't cut it. Arguments about RB have long been disproven by other Venos and i myself had a hand in debunking some of the ridiculous claims that were once made about FCC... So what is it? Nirvana or high level TT runs? Which boss is it exactly that only an herc can tank? What AoE is it that only hercs can efficiently survive? Speaking in vague terms is no longer enough, many of us have begun to wise up to the fact that many high levels seem to think only overkill counts as efficient, what is it?

Time is impertinent. Your XP doesn't go up faster than your income unless you let it: and make yourself a mooch.

Time is the most valuable of all the resources you'll ever invest on an MMO. Do you think i stay a 78 because my xp goes up faster than my income? I have made millions on coin alone (not counting drops) grinding mobs, and just as much selling what genies with good LP stats i've dumped my experience into, and still got quite a long way to go before i can get to 8x at what i consider to be an appropiate level of skilling/gearing. And i've got quite modest standards. Yes, it's true, i'll admit i don't log in daily... However, you must be delussional to think people who actually play this game will buy into this.

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear · October 2010

Mauntille - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I don't remember if I saw it in this thread or not, but after adding bash, you may want to right-click-default that skill when you summon. If for nothing else, it has a faster cooldown than FR so you'll be manually triggering a skill slightly less often. (Plus I find that ticking [ALT+2] easier than [ALT+5] easier, but that could just be me.)

the alt-numbers are all cumbersome to hit, for me, so i remapped all the pet skills to more convenient keys. now i pet attack with R, and pet skills on control-q,w,e,r. (though the latter is pretty personal; i have a control key where most have caps lock, so control-letters are easy for me.)

Zahlee - Lost City · October 2010

Mauntille - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I don't remember if I saw it in this thread or not, but after adding bash, you may want to right-click-default that skill when you summon. If for nothing else, it has a faster cooldown than FR so you'll be manually triggering a skill slightly less often.

Yep that's exactly what i was planning to do

Since you can go up to 4 skills, there's really no reason to unskill mist until you have something else you want to use instead of it. Ream and Bash you'll be using the most, but you can throw a mist (or maybe shriek if you get it) in there during the cooldowns.

Yeah i decided to keep toxic mist. I just thought i'd ask since i've seen a couple people suggest getting rid of it, and it got me wondering what the majority of veno's think about this idea.

You may also want to keep in mind that only one skill will fire by default. Before you max all skills on your pets, check to make sure that you're actually using them. It does you no good to add a skill that you'll never use. Some people can manage all the skills and some can't. Some just don't want to.

I do try to use every skill that is applicaple to the situation. I often have 2 firing at the same time. b:cute

SashaGray - Heavens Tear · October 2010

i like it better when tweakz argues with tearvalerin, the argument with manray are tl;dr wall of text snore-fests.

tweakz · October 2010

Mauntille - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Not even tweakz uses his herc for everything.

Luring can be done fine with an unskilled, unleveled cactopod from Eden. World Bosses with a Marksman are no longer worth my time. Switching pets in FF is too much bother for what little difference they make. I have yet to try soloing Djinn, but when I do: I doubt it will be worth the effort and coin I put into my Scorpion. Even at Lv.101 my Dark Wanderer is too delicate for anything but spam heals on Stygean and still can't hold aggro to most BM's I've run it with. I thought it would be nice in FB79 in general but it can't take a magic hit worth ****, and there are just enough magic mobs to get annoying. I hate to say it, but I think investing in any other pets besides Herc / Nix is pointless.

Also, 200k is a lot. Money can be turned into money and leveling skills doesn't stop with one level up. There are plenty of great disposable pets to use on the way to getting the legendaries, as well as plenty of great quest reward equips. The Lunar Lupin is one example. There are 4 or 5 families of wolf alone all with their own varied starting levels.

MANray_ - Sanctuary · October 2010

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i like it better when tweakz argues with tearvalerin, the argument with manray are tl;dr wall of text snore-fests.

Not entertaining enough for you sweetie? Think i should dumb down my act for those challenged with shorter attention spans? b:cute

b:lipcurl Maybe you should try skipping threads which actually relate to gameplay issues... Just saying...

Vortella - Archosaur · October 2010

Mauntille - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I don't remember if I saw it in this thread or not, but after adding bash, you may want to right-click-default that skill when you summon. If for nothing else, it has a faster cooldown than FR so you'll be manually triggering a skill slightly less often. (Plus I find that ticking [ALT+2] easier than [ALT+5] easier, but that could just be me.)

I changed the default key mappings for my veno character.
Instead of ALT-1 (basic attack), I use "e"
Instead of ALT-3 (2nd attack slot), I use "r"
The other attack slots (skills with longer cool down times) I just click on the icons.

Mauntille - Heavens Tear · October 2010

tweakz wrote: »

Luring can be done fine with an unskilled, unleveled cactopod from Eden. World Bosses with a Marksman are no longer worth my time. Switching pets in FF is too much bother for what little difference they make. I have yet to try soloing Djinn, but when I do: I doubt it will be worth the effort and coin I put into my Scorpion. Even at Lv.101 my Dark Wanderer is too delicate for anything but spam heals on Stygean and still can't hold aggro to most BM's I've run it with. I thought it would be nice in FB79 in general but it can't take a magic hit worth ****, and there are just enough magic mobs to get annoying. I hate to say it, but I think investing in any other pets besides Herc / Nix is pointless.

Also, 200k is a lot. Money can be turned into money and leveling skills doesn't stop with one level up. There are plenty of great disposable pets to use on the way to getting the legendaries, as well as plenty of great quest reward equips. The Lunar Lupin is one example. There are 4 or 5 families of wolf alone all with their own varied starting levels.

Well, you may be the cream of the crop and have your end-all correct way of doing things, but some of us don't feel the need to be as perfect as you. Yes, a herc is the best pet you can get and compared to it, any other pet becomes obsolete. But some of us have fun with our obsolete pets.

OP has a walker which I would assume is intended for use as a tank for things that the wolf can't handle. The wolf is most likely going to be used for fun. You may have a schoolgirl like crush on the juandiced fat man, but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to.

In perspective, I don't think 200k is a lot. A herc/nix costs roughly 60-80mil. Warsoul helms are around 14mil (or at least that's what I saw championship scrolls for last). You yourself have said you can make upwards of a mil in an hour by grinding. While that won't be typical for a lower level veno, coin isn't _that_ hard to come by.

Besides, what are you planning on doing with all that wealth? You can only improve your characters so much.

tweakz · October 2010

Mauntille - Heavens Tear wrote: »

OP has a walker which I would assume is intended for use as a tank for things that the wolf can't handle. The wolf is most likely going to be used for fun. You may have a schoolgirl like crush on the juandiced fat man, but that doesn't mean the rest of us have to.

You can spam heal on a Herc just like any other pet, so why are you complaining about fun? Get one and try it. Spam healing on a Herc wercs! b:victory

Mauntille - Heavens Tear · October 2010

tweakz wrote: »

You can spam heal on a Herc just like any other pet, so why are you complaining about fun? Get one and try it. Spam healing on a Herc wercs! b:victory

Got one. Had it a long time. Nix too. Doesn't mean I use them for everything. I have fun with other pets as well. I never said OP would be spam healing a walker. There are these things called barbs, they like to tank. Venos don't have to tank everything.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear · October 2010

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Not entertaining enough for you sweetie? Think i should dumb down my act for those challenged with shorter attention spans? b:cute

b:lipcurl Maybe you should try skipping threads which actually relate to gameplay issues... Just saying...

yeah, cause i really need your help to figure out what skills to put on my tabby and how to pull.

If you need to write a novel to convey your point, then you don't know how to communicate effectively.

Zahlee - Lost City · October 2010

Chugga Chugga, Chugga Chugga, Chugga Chugga, Wooooot Wooooooooooot........#$%!CRASH!!

......and there it goes....right of the tracks b:chuckle

Don't mind me, i'm a bit bored....

MANray_ - Sanctuary · October 2010

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

yeah, cause i really need your help to figure out what skills to put on my tabby and how to pull.

I guess you learned absolutely everything you ever needed to know about pets on your own. Perhaps we should all be like you and use the forums just for trolling rather than exchanging information...

If you need to write a novel to convey your point, then you don't know how to communicate effectively.

Perhaps you mistake being thorough with being repetitive. If you had bothered to read my walls of text you could have realized i'm actually rather punctual as a rule. Of course asking people to actually read on a posting forum may be setting the bar a bit too high as your case obviously demonstrates. I have only on a mere handful of ocassions written posts that could not be read under a minute by an educated person, i wonder how you've ever gotten through reading a newspaper or magazine in a reasonable amount of time if my posts are that much of a challenge to you...

If you have a problem with my posts there's one very simple solution, don't read them. And you can spare us both the lame attempt at critique, i have personally never liked your infatuated and judgemental posting style but have been corteous enough not to say anything until now. Is this concise enough for you or do you need me to illustrate?

SashaGray - Heavens Tear · October 2010

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

I guess you learned absolutely everything you ever needed to know about pets on your own. Perhaps we should all be like you and use the forums just for trolling rather than exchanging information...

Perhaps you mistake being thorough with being repetitive. If you had bothered to read my walls of text you could have realized i'm actually rather punctual as a rule. Of course asking people to actually read on a posting forum may be setting the bar a bit too high as your case obviously demonstrates. I have only on a mere handful of ocassions written posts that could not be read under a minute by an educated person, i wonder how you've ever gotten through reading a newspaper or magazine in a reasonable amount of time if my posts are that much of a challenge to you...

If you have a problem with my posts there's one very simple solution, don't read them. And you can spare us both the lame attempt at critique, i have personally never liked your infatuated and judgemental posting style but have been corteous enough not to say anything until now. Is this concise enough for you or do you need me to illustrate?

you meant to say "I dont like you, you probably read at a third grade level and have comprehension problems, and you're off my christmas card list."

which is all ad hominem, and doesn't address you being boring which was my initial criticism, before you took it all personal.

MANray_ - Sanctuary · October 2010

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

you meant to say "I dont like you, you probably read at a third grade level and have comprehension problems, and you're off my christmas card list."

which is all ad hominem, and doesn't address you being boring which was my initial criticism, before you took it all personal.

Yours wasn't actual criticism but an offhand remark stating you personal preference for the more agressive flaming styles of other posters. And your answer is a lame non sequitur...

While we are on the subject of logic you could have chosen to start arguing with those posters you admire rather than try to have a go at me. I know this may come as a shock but some of us don't post for the purpose of amusing you. And all you have accomplished is the derailment of a thread, at least my argument with Tweakz (which i should add has tucked tail and fled the second he was required to actually back up his tripe) was on a subject of general interest to other posters. This is nothing but some very flimsy and tame flaming, not even fun by your own standards. Do you know how to spell "irony"?

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