OK...Defence Lv+ and Attack Lv+

_Fuzz_ - Lost City wrote: »

att/deff lvl shards are useless unless highly stacked like -chan.

say you do get a atk lvl of +50, thats only +50% of your base dmg. doesn;t sound bad but you really become a glass cannon by time you get enough stones to make it count.

say you get +50 deff. thats +50% of your base deff's. . . . anyone remember what diminishing returns are, or are everyone Oracle'd - Hyper noobs these days?

the point is simple. if your gonna put that high lvl of shards in your armor, just go w/ dmg shards in your weapon (garnet/saphire) and vit stones in armor.

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Leni - Raging Tide wrote: »

I wanna get something clear:



Here you're calculating Att Lv taking only attack bonus from gear, but what about actual attack?

I mean, Att Lv+ only works with gear or it takes the whole?

Because if that's the case then take a look at this: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=744f416c0082ed66

Here's a lv 100 archer with the gear you mentioned (assuming that for maximizing damage you go for a pure build [104 str is for equiping nirvana LA])

Total physical attack: 8463-12669 = average 10566

10566 * 1.02 = 10777
That's 211+ (11 more than with 2 Drakeflame stones)

So, if this is the case it would prove better to add DoT's to weapon than P. Att stones. But the problem is that you need an insanely high refine for it to actualy work, because if we take the same xbow with an average refine of 5+ and we remove the rings then:

Total physical attack: 4151-8357 = average 6254

6254 * 1.02 = 6379
That's 125+ (Same as adding one g11 and one g10 garnets)

Garnets are better

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This just proves your point that DoT's suck unless stacked, but back to my main question: does AttL Lv really works like i say? taking total attack and adding the respective percentage?
Or it just works with damage from gear?

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Random question
If someone already necro'd, am i necro-ing too? Just for knowing

Your math and assumptions are off. Just like how rings affect weapon damage, so do shards. Note that the archer's phys attack isn't 2204-3349 like it would be if your assumption about how drakelames work was accurate.

That being said, phys attack with 2 IMMACULATE garnets is 8698-12904. That gives an average p.attack of 10801... which is more effective than what you've concluded a pair of tigers would do.

That's right. G8 shards outperform attack level stones in a weapon.... and the lower your base damage, the weaker the shards can be to outperform tigers. Using your own examples again, same weapon refined to only 5 with rings off and two beautiful garnets gets you to 4298-8504 phys attack. That's an average of 6401 which is, again, more effective than what you've concluded two tigers would do.



tl;dr version: You're wrong. Garnets are ALWAYS the better option.


And to answer your question, Attack levels and defense levels are one of the last things taken into account as they modify the total damage you take/receive after defenses are taken into account.

Oh right! I added the bonus from garnets in the wrong part :P My bad


And...

truekossy wrote: »

You're wrong. Garnets are ALWAYS the better option.

Leni - Raging Tide wrote: »

Garnets are better

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This just proves your point that DoT's suck unless stacked

Nope, I'm right. That's just what i said... b:shutup


And to fully understand this:

truekossy wrote: »

And to answer your question, Attack levels and defense levels are one of the last things taken into account as they modify the total damage you take/receive after defenses are taken into account.

Let's try with a little excercise:

If i have an attack of 10,000 and an attack level of +2, and someone has a defense of 5000 and a defense level of 0 then the damage will be:

(10,000 * 1.02) - 5000 = 5200

or

10,000 - 5000 = 5000 + (5000 * 0.02) = 5100

Which of the above is correct? Or what's the correct formula?


And now if that person has +2 def lv:

(10,000 * 1.02) - (5000 * 1.02) = 5100

or

10,000 - 5000 = 5000 + (5000 * 0.02) - (5000 * 0.02) = 5000

Same question.


And if the person has +4 def lv:

(10,000 * 1.02) - (5000 * 1.04) = 5000

or

10,000 - 5000 = 5000 + (5000 * 0.02) - (5000 * 0.04) = 4900

Same question.


Sorry for all the trouble and thanks in advance. Regards.

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has anyone failed to realize this is a bad necro?

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

where did u get this from? dont u think that there is something wrong with it?

look at second case..

it means that if enemy have 99 attack lvls and me 98 def.lvls then I still would get 199% of damage =.=

Yep, noticed that. But one can understand that att lv and def lv are substracted and the result is one lv in favor of A (101% damage).
But yeah, i agree with you, that needs correction maybe.

May I ask, where was this posted by the developers?