OHT Map3 etiquette
Azzazin - Dreamweaver
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Hello all.
Earlier today I ran into a problem, and perhaps you guys have some helpful input.
I was, as I do daily, using my 10 hyper activations aoeing the mobs in map 3, those canyon avalanchers which are right outside the pavillion you enter map 3 from. Since I don't care to waste my hypers needlessly, I like to get the most 'bang for my buck' when aoeing. With only 10 hyper activations, it makes sense to get the most mobs killed per activation as possible. Like most people, I round up all the mobs in that area, activate the hyper, and aoe them all. The details of how I aoe are trivial, but it is important to note that I get all of the mobs. In total, this takes maybe 15 to 18 minutes tops.
It is also worthwhile noting that, normally, there is nobody in map 3 aoeing those mobs. Perhaps this varies depending on the time of day that one visits, but over half the time, I'm the only one there. If somebody is already there, I wait for them to finish; if somebody comes in while I'm doing my 10 aoes, then they wait for me to finish. At least, that is how it has been until today.
So there I was rounding up the mobs for my seventh activation, when in charges a barb, grabs about 1/3 of the mobs (I was in plain sight pulling the rest of them), and starts aoeing. I gave the barb the benefit of the doubt, maybe he didn't see me. Since as I said, I like to get all of the mobs for my hyper activation, I flew up & let the mobs yellow, and contacted the barb.
My memory for exact words is far from great, but essentially, the barb was under the impression that we should share the mobs. I then asked if he could please wait a couple of moments, since I had only 3 activations left, and that I would be 5 minutes tops, and that he could aoe the whole place when I left. He seemed amused by this, and upon further query I discovered that he didn't use hyper. After watching for a minute or so, I rounded up the mobs, pulled them over to where the barb had about 1/3 of the mobs, activated my hyper, and aoed all of the mobs.
Judging by his vernacular the barb was not impressed, and he summarily left. I finished my remaining 2 activations, and then left myself... leaving the whole map empty once again.
So the question then becomes: who was right here? How do others sort out problems like this? I would like to get some answers; this barb is a lvl 102 dude who now says he won't squad with me in the future, which could be problematic.
Thanks for all helpful input,
Azzazin
Earlier today I ran into a problem, and perhaps you guys have some helpful input.
I was, as I do daily, using my 10 hyper activations aoeing the mobs in map 3, those canyon avalanchers which are right outside the pavillion you enter map 3 from. Since I don't care to waste my hypers needlessly, I like to get the most 'bang for my buck' when aoeing. With only 10 hyper activations, it makes sense to get the most mobs killed per activation as possible. Like most people, I round up all the mobs in that area, activate the hyper, and aoe them all. The details of how I aoe are trivial, but it is important to note that I get all of the mobs. In total, this takes maybe 15 to 18 minutes tops.
It is also worthwhile noting that, normally, there is nobody in map 3 aoeing those mobs. Perhaps this varies depending on the time of day that one visits, but over half the time, I'm the only one there. If somebody is already there, I wait for them to finish; if somebody comes in while I'm doing my 10 aoes, then they wait for me to finish. At least, that is how it has been until today.
So there I was rounding up the mobs for my seventh activation, when in charges a barb, grabs about 1/3 of the mobs (I was in plain sight pulling the rest of them), and starts aoeing. I gave the barb the benefit of the doubt, maybe he didn't see me. Since as I said, I like to get all of the mobs for my hyper activation, I flew up & let the mobs yellow, and contacted the barb.
My memory for exact words is far from great, but essentially, the barb was under the impression that we should share the mobs. I then asked if he could please wait a couple of moments, since I had only 3 activations left, and that I would be 5 minutes tops, and that he could aoe the whole place when I left. He seemed amused by this, and upon further query I discovered that he didn't use hyper. After watching for a minute or so, I rounded up the mobs, pulled them over to where the barb had about 1/3 of the mobs, activated my hyper, and aoed all of the mobs.
Judging by his vernacular the barb was not impressed, and he summarily left. I finished my remaining 2 activations, and then left myself... leaving the whole map empty once again.
So the question then becomes: who was right here? How do others sort out problems like this? I would like to get some answers; this barb is a lvl 102 dude who now says he won't squad with me in the future, which could be problematic.
Thanks for all helpful input,
Azzazin
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this is far from a perfect world... but you did have the right to the mobs since you were there first; if you tried to tell him you were there first and he continues to round up mobs then... just walk away- people are rude, you will never be able to change that[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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There's no such thing as KSing in PWI.0
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KS him. Stop what you are doing and do what ever you can to make what he is doing 10x harder."Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory.
Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." ~Sun Tzu
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sure is ks in pwi and i killed for that..think was my first pk kill 3 years ago on pwmy i was in tusk with my barbar had a quest with some mobs that were 3 only and a veno keep killing them all.. i asked party he deny then i go kill him...told him next time you hit a mob i go to you die..he said some things in russian but he didn't ks me anymoreb:laugh
about oht 3 map ..hmmm.. i always asked person who was there how long gonna be or if he want party...and generally i was asked same....nobody went to steal my mobs...if that happen i prolly pk them anyway but a nice word go longggg wayyyyb:surrender0 -
Mobs can not be claimed, who ever kills first gets it no matter what. Out of general courtesy, the barb was wrong. It would be nice to play in a perfect game where everyone had manners and knew how to take turns but with Perfect World being so imperfect it's hard to get a jerk to understand.
You both were wrong as you both were right, if you didn't kill it before him then he had every right to it. But if he was a kind hearted soul like everyone should be and would respectfully allow you to continue your quick little grinding without hastle the world would not be such a bad place.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Just walk away? Yes, that is a solution I did consider, and would certainly have avoided confrontation. My rationale for wanting to get it done in one go is two-fold.
(a) saves time
(b) buffs
More on buffs: I have been known to die in map 3 if I get a lag spike, or if the mobs repeatedly interrupt my aoes. I pretty much only do map 3 aoeing when I have barb buffs in, to avoid this problem. So again that goes back to saving time; if I have to come back at a later time, then I have to get barb buffs again to stay safe. Not to mention, that even a lvl 10 rez can result in a fair bit of xp loss; I'd really rather not die at all!
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I typically go afk for a bit when in that situation (which I have been in a few times) but only because, if I'm in 3rd map, I don't have anything more important to do.
Your way works too. Some people have decency; some don't. Annoy the latter back.0 -
Another part of the problem is the simple fact that this person is a barb. Barbs are not exactly abundant on Dreamweaver; this particular barb I have squadded with before for bhs, and will undoubtedly be grouped with again in other bhs. Barbs are not easy to replace, and if this individual backs up his word & leaves any squad I join, it'll undoubtedly lead to problems (for both him and me, I would bet). It is really in the best interest for both the barb and I to come to an understanding of sorts.
So if the barb in question happens to read this this post and the comments that have been posted, give me a shout in-game, and perhaps we can discuss this further.
Azzazin
P.S Thanks to all who posted helpful comments/insights.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I find it funny considering you've already KSed me in OHT, QQ more
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Traz is not the individual in question ^. I have no recollection of KSing you, though I may well have; I have stated my memory is not exactly the greatest.
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When you gather them, do you actually hit them? Or do you gain aggro simply via proximity.
If you never attack them except during the AoE, then they are definitely not "yours" in any sense, as you haven't touched them.
For example, clerics are often AoE grind at the spiders. If I'm there killing spiders one at a time, and a cleric flies by luring away all those spiders that I have not attacked yet but are near me, who "owns" them?
- I was in the area first.
- Cleric aggroed them first.
I could claim that those are "mine" b/c I was there first. Most people would laugh at me if I said this. The cleric could claim the spiders are his/hers b/c (s)he gathered them up. Some people would laugh at this as well.
I could then AoE all the spiders (s)he gathered up; I'd definitely laugh while doing this. Too bad I was too polite to do so; I regret not doing this to some of the more discourteous clerics out there.0 -
Why would he only do 1/3rd of the mobs?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Only new to this particular mmo. I was amused to see the initial post though, as i have recently come from a similar game where you commonly had to fight first to get the good spots, and often had to defend it as well against interlopers while you farmed.
On occassion i have actually "farmed" the aggressor into my train of mobs as well to be uber efficient b:laugh
Have I actually taken up some kind of 'Polite Society' type of game here?0 -
To answer some questions, I actually aggro mobs with aoes when I gather (I don't use mount). That is why I can actually grab every single mob in the entire area. However, it simply takes time to cover that much ground (double holy path, and 2 speed skills); so while I had begun to pull the mobs (fairly sizeable area) the barb came in and gathered via proximity some of the mobs nearer the pavillion, and began aoeing them. When he began doing this again (~1/3 of the mobs) I pulled the rest of the mobs, brought them to where this barb had the mobs who had aggroed to him, and I essentially 2-shot every single mob---with hyper on, of course.
Polite society? Well from what I hear, Dreamweaver is a bit more polite than some of the other servers out there. How I chose to handle the situation has no bearing on what others might do in the same situation, though.
From what I can understand, the barb gathered 1/3 of the mobs since he saw me and decided we were going to 'share' the mobs. Also, he seemed to laugh at the idea that I was using hyper (anti-hyper type, perhaps), and even when I kindly asked him (I said please, was polite & all that) to wait a couple minutes (so then he'd have the whole area free) he just kept aoeing... 1/3 of the mobs.
Thanks for your input/comments.
Azzazin[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Mendolin - Sanctuary wrote: »this is far from a perfect world... but you did have the right to the mobs since you were there first; if you tried to tell him you were there first and he continues to round up mobs then... just walk away- people are rude, you will never be able to change that
Those mobs don't have his name on them. Anyone can come ks. I had a few who did. Some didin't notice me and after I politely asking them to leave, they would; later own I'm done I pm them to come bk. Others apparently have problems comprehending simple English. Then you just spend your every single in-game moment to ks & spam them in wc, then maybe get a few more friends to help make that guy's life miserable.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »I could then AoE all the spiders (s)he gathered up; I'd definitely laugh while doing this. Too bad I was too polite to do so; I regret not doing this to some of the more discourteous clerics out there.
I have been working on doing this on my cleric, and I don't see why people think it's okay to attack all the gathered mobs - if you have ever done it on a cleric, you'd know it's a lot of work to get all those mobs up gathered together. Have to make sure you're not moving too fast/soon, gotta keep your hp up, make sure you have mp so you can heal/purify...
I think in cases like these, it's common courtesy on both sides - someone may be there first, and may be gathering, but the person gathering CAN share and try not to take too many so that the other person is left with none. When I grind on my cleric, I never take the whole area if there are people there, regardless of who was there first.
In the OPs case, I know that it really is hard to share those - there's not really enough of the mobs to be sharing at the same time. So I would either take turns gathering/aoeing (after all, most people need to build chi after each pull), or work it out somehow (ie, "hey, gimme three more minutes, and then I'll be out of your way").Katzyn, level 101 Demon Veno
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But seriously, why would he AOE only 1/3rd of the mobs?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Lol, quick point of interest: 'most' people doesn't include sins, who can have full chi in literally seconds. That is pretty much why I can complete my 10 activations quite quickly. In truth, I spend more time picking up drops then I do gathering mobs & aoeing them. While I am picking up drops, I pull a mob or two in, use 2 or 3 skills, and my chi bar is full again. In any case, I did have an idea from this, which may lead to a potential solution.
The mobs could be shared; not AREA-wise but TIME-wise. See, these particular mobs respawn very very quickly. Maybe 15s after dying, they start popping back up all over the place. So potentially a system could be arranged where person A gathers mobs, aoes them, and picks up drops. Person B then waits for mobs to respawn then gathers them up, aoes, and picks up drops. This could repeated without slowing anybody down... as long as person B kills the mobs as quickly as person A does, and vice versa.
However in my case, I was so close to being done, I thought it wasn't too much to ask for the barb to wait a few minutes, and then there would be no hassle (I was, after all, the only one there besides him; he'd have been free to to whatever he wanted without getting in anybody's way).
Azzazin[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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When I go there for my 10 hypers, I wait in turn if there are others allready there...
I think it's the most fair way to do it.. And there is no gain in "stealing" some of the mobs. You need to get them all to make it worth it...
I only have 2 on my blacklist that started to collect some of the mobs when I was doing my hypers... So I guess that's the way I see it. b:chuckle
Guess they are not breaking any rules or anything by juming in and start to collect mobs when somebody else do it, but in my opinion they are idiots and deserves a place in my BL. b:pleased[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Azzazin - Dreamweaver wrote: »Hello all.
Earlier today I ran into a problem, and perhaps you guys have some helpful input.
I was, as I do daily, using my 10 hyper activations aoeing the mobs in map 3, those canyon avalanchers which are right outside the pavillion you enter map 3 from. Since I don't care to waste my hypers needlessly, I like to get the most 'bang for my buck' when aoeing. With only 10 hyper activations, it makes sense to get the most mobs killed per activation as possible. Like most people, I round up all the mobs in that area, activate the hyper, and aoe them all. The details of how I aoe are trivial, but it is important to note that I get all of the mobs. In total, this takes maybe 15 to 18 minutes tops.
It is also worthwhile noting that, normally, there is nobody in map 3 aoeing those mobs. Perhaps this varies depending on the time of day that one visits, but over half the time, I'm the only one there. If somebody is already there, I wait for them to finish; if somebody comes in while I'm doing my 10 aoes, then they wait for me to finish. At least, that is how it has been until today.
So there I was rounding up the mobs for my seventh activation, when in charges a barb, grabs about 1/3 of the mobs (I was in plain sight pulling the rest of them), and starts aoeing. I gave the barb the benefit of the doubt, maybe he didn't see me. Since as I said, I like to get all of the mobs for my hyper activation, I flew up & let the mobs yellow, and contacted the barb.
My memory for exact words is far from great, but essentially, the barb was under the impression that we should share the mobs. I then asked if he could please wait a couple of moments, since I had only 3 activations left, and that I would be 5 minutes tops, and that he could aoe the whole place when I left. He seemed amused by this, and upon further query I discovered that he didn't use hyper. After watching for a minute or so, I rounded up the mobs, pulled them over to where the barb had about 1/3 of the mobs, activated my hyper, and aoed all of the mobs.
Judging by his vernacular the barb was not impressed, and he summarily left. I finished my remaining 2 activations, and then left myself... leaving the whole map empty once again.
So the question then becomes: who was right here? How do others sort out problems like this? I would like to get some answers; this barb is a lvl 102 dude who now says he won't squad with me in the future, which could be problematic.
Thanks for all helpful input,
Azzazin
just kill him...
oh wait you are on pve serveri am waiting for you my little flagcarriers b:kiss0 -
Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »just kill him...
oh wait you are on pve server
^ Wannabe hero.
Just ignore his threat, 90% of the people threatening you with no more squadding, simply forgot it pretty fast.
Not to mention that he soon might need your help when you advance with your aps.Originally written by Satchiko to me regarding old spice commercial :
Hello Perfect World. Look at your cleric, now back to me, now back to your cleric, now back to me. Sadly it isn't me. But if you stopped being a noob and started wearing sunglasses you could act like you're me. Look down, back up, where are you? You're on Dreamweaver with the cleric your cleric could be like. What's in your hand, back at me. It's an inventory filled with the gear you want. Look again, the gear is now diamonds. Anything is possible with sunglasses. I'm flying on starter wings.0 -
QQthread is still QQing.
You don't own the mobs and anyone is free to come take them and kill them at anytime even if you're at the spot. Entitlement to courtesy is just that, an expectation. Suck it up, buttercup. It was only 1 activation. Using hypers is not an excuse or right to hog the map or to make others wait if they're not inclined to.I love puppies.... and sharp objects. b:pleased0 -
TempleSlave - Lost City wrote: »QQthread is still QQing.
You don't own the mobs and anyone is free to come take them and kill them at anytime even if you're at the spot. Entitlement to courtesy is just that, an expectation. Suck it up, buttercup. It was only 1 activation. Using hypers is not an excuse or right to hog the map or to make others wait if they're not inclined to.
Thats right, 'everybody should be able to do whatever they want'. Right? Right??? Fool. A system where everybody does whatever they want with no regards to how it will affect others is no different from anarchy. Everybody will be in conflict with many other people. In a proper society, this is why rules and guidelines are created: to help minimize conflict.
'Suck it up buttercup'. Why do you side with the barb in this case? Why not tell him to 'suck it up'? Your statement can go both ways, if you actually take a moment to think about it. And so you see the problem, the actions of two individuals are in conflict. Many others in this thread have indicated that it would have made sense for the barb to wait several minutes for me to finish. This thread is a thread to fine tune a set of guidelines that can guide future decisions in similar scenarios.
The barb was not inclined to wait? He was not using hypers. I in turn was not inclined to just stand by and watch him reduce the efficacy of my hypers (which I spent $ to obtain) by having him ignore my request to wait a couple of minutes (when he would then have all of the mobs for himself if he should wish=benefit to him). I think my logic is sound, and I think that you are a troll.
Good day,
Azzazin[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Carebears are so funny b:chuckleb:chuckle[SIGPIC]100% F2P Assassin[/SIGPIC]
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Just ask if you can take turns pulling valley like you said in earlier post. It works, most people will go along with that.Out of all the things I have lost over the years, I miss my mind the most.0
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Kitamura - Lost City wrote: »Carebears are so funny b:chuckleb:chuckle
ur funny with hiding behind op char, troll
you would QQ even more if that was pvp server and ks'er would be stronger than youBUILD EFFICIENCY CALCULATOR: pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1129681
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Katzyn - Sanctuary wrote: »I have been working on doing this on my cleric, and I don't see why people think it's okay to attack all the gathered mobs - if you have ever done it on a cleric, you'd know it's a lot of work to get all those mobs up gathered together.
I'd only do so to discourteous individuals. As you mentioned, you are willing to share, so if we were to ever interact with each other at the same location, we would get a long just fine.0 -
TempleSlave - Lost City wrote: »QQthread is still QQing.
You don't own the mobs and anyone is free to come take them and kill them at anytime even if you're at the spot. Entitlement to courtesy is just that, an expectation. Suck it up, buttercup. It was only 1 activation. Using hypers is not an excuse or right to hog the map or to make others wait if they're not inclined to.
lol QQ moar, OP postin in a calm logical manner, not in a frienzied HE KSIN ME OMGWTFBBQ tone lolfull 3r9 +11/12 (still using immac shards though) w/o CSing, leveled to 105 spaming pv, yes i have no life =D0 -
funny, this doesnt happen on pvp servers. there is no room for 2, one would die by the other one or leave before starting anything0
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Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »ur funny with hiding behind op char, troll
you would QQ even more if that was pvp server and ks'er would be stronger than you
I fight for my grind spots for more than 2 years, I don't need hide in a blue name.[SIGPIC]100% F2P Assassin[/SIGPIC]
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