HA cleric...

For a fun build to try out yes, even more so if you plan on going on runs with your friends and guild members since to them you can actually explain why and how then with randoms.
Making the lack in healing power not so much noticeable.

So I say go for it.

~Also, try the search. There was a nice topic about this in the past, along with some old PW-MY screens of HA in action.
Not to mention tons of calcs for gear

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

for LA/HA u need really high refines to compensate for all points put in str/dex

http://www.speedyshare.com/files/24564446/Effective_HP-9.xls

quick, opposite build:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=23a55ef17c485a4a


you lose 15% survivality against p.dmg

gained 100% against m.dmg

Why does your gold TT robe have 18 Magic on it

Also, pretty much what Para said. You'd need a nicely refined weapon to make up for the shortfall since your effectiveness in squad settings is diminished if you cannot heal as well.

KrazyKleric - Lost City wrote: »

would HA/AA clerics be able to get into squads for end-game instances such as frost or GV? b:questionb:question

I'm building one for fun, but would like to see it in action b:victory

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=521e8b923cc1708a

is what seems I'll likely to have by 90 (have all but the cape and boots, and have enough coin to get everything)

Although its magic damage and defense are low compared to normal arcane clerics, Its physical defense and potential hp (from refines and later gear) outshines normal clerics.

The answers im expecting are probably not, with the exception of friends who know how competent you are or guild runs, but still I want to hear your opinion! b:victory

I dont think you should have any problems. Just as long as your build is well thought out your squad probably wont even notice any deficiencies. (I used HA since 5x and have never had problems in pve)

Dont really like build you made tho if I have to be completely honest! XD

Meyki - Sanctuary wrote: »

So many mobs and bosses use magic as ranged attack. Cleric does not have any good melee skills. I mean, cleric does not have any. The loss from wearing (or be able to wear) HA will be significantly higher than the gain from wearing HA when needed. But maybe I am wrong, tell me, where are you going to be hit so hard to show off your HA advantage?

The op said for fun....

go go 5aps clawric!

Meyki - Sanctuary wrote: »

So many mobs and bosses use magic as ranged attack. Cleric does not have any good melee skills. I mean, cleric does not have any. The loss from wearing (or be able to wear) HA will be significantly higher than the gain from wearing HA when needed. But maybe I am wrong, tell me, where are you going to be hit so hard to show off your HA advantage?

Soulbanisher's AOE would be one place. Heck, add in any other phys AOE boss.

'no' for all that stupid reasons b:surrender

KrazyKleric - Lost City wrote: »

would HA/AA clerics be able to get into squads for end-game instances such as frost or GV? b:questionb:question

I'm building one for fun, but would like to see it in action b:victory

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=521e8b923cc1708a

is what seems I'll likely to have by 90 (have all but the cape and boots, and have enough coin to get everything)

Although its magic damage and defense are low compared to normal arcane clerics, Its physical defense and potential hp (from refines and later gear) outshines normal clerics.

The answers im expecting are probably not, with the exception of friends who know how competent you are or guild runs, but still I want to hear your opinion! b:victory

A HA/AA cleric shouldn't have an issue with FF or RB. In FF, level 70 clerics can heal well enough, and in RB the cleric's use is sitting in BB for the dmg reduction (and occasional heals).

Know that your heals will be limited, drastically, and to even be a slightly effective cleric you will have to gimp your defense in favor of -channeling. Which isn't so bad, except you don't have the magic, thus magic attack, to help keep yourself and others alive, as well. I toyed around with a cleric HA/AA build and to get over -30 channeling and 8000 magic attack you're going to have to refine a NP to +10 or better in order to accomplish this, and still, that's over 2,000 magic attack less than an actual pure mag/AA endgame build. That's 20% less effective cleric, and way more if you consider the lack of -channeling a cleric has to wear in favor of +stat gear just to wear HA and use a magic weapon at their level.

Trying this build early on will be next to impossible if not impossible. You will need a ton of +stat gear just to be able to wear HA and use a magic weapon, you're going to have absolutely crappy magic attack (low levels are already a pain for clerics), now going to be made that much more difficult as you not only will completely lack any HP, you won't be able to put into vit for survivability and you'll still be gimped in magic which is what really defines a cleric's power.

Now, if your "fun" is defined by making you a less effective cleric (skills can't make up in this case for a ****ty build), then I suppose your fun is at the cost of the squad you're with, most of this targeting early levels. Later on, it's certainly possible (more feasible with a re-stat near endgame) to do a HA/AA build but you'll logically be limited more to FF/RB. Since that's all you mentioned, if you're just going to get your gold belt, 100 fairy, and get to level 100+, then it's a good build endgame. Otherwise, since everything a cleric does revolves around magic (=>magic attack) and -channeling, it's going to make other instances like Nirvana and TT 3-2/3-3 completely miserable as your heals won't be potent enough, unless you end up with a +12 G15 Nirvana weapon. Possible, but a complete waste. This build works far better for a veno.

A HA/AA cleric shouldn't have an issue with FF or RB. In FF, level 70 clerics can heal well enough, and in RB the cleric's use is sitting in BB for the dmg reduction (and occasional heals).

Have you even played a barb & tanked an rb with a pure vs high vit/LA cleric? You can feel the difference in your charm ticks... Or at least I could when RB was THE way to lvl. But that's not the point of the thread.

Mendolin - Sanctuary wrote: »

if you go 5.0 aps with claws/fists ill be dissapointed- if you have that much money to spend to make a 5.0 aps char... why waste it on a cleric- they do **** physical damage, just make a bm but whatever lol to each his own

go go account stash gadget? b:avoid

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver wrote: »

go go account stash gadget? b:avoid

you would assume they had a bm or barb to begin with... or just wasted time to make a cleric first?

@OP:

For fun?, are you going to spend a lot of money and time on a cleric that will not be able to do its function in a squad?, that's more like, stressing much for nothing.

Clerics already are despised enough "heal!", "cleric died b/c of healing me, noob cleric" (heal lure because of fail tank / lurer), etc. etc.

Now I can't imagine what you would be passing through if you go HA sure you will be able to survive more phy hits, but... how many? (at low levels)

If you have high HP (over 9k), you may be able to stand a little longer against melee classes for pvp, but due to the lack of magic, you'd pretty much not stand a chance against magic classes (could be wrong, probably would at 80-90s).

Also, you'd be wasting a lot of potential for attacking, maybe you can survive, but your attacks will suck since every single cleric attack skill is based on magic (you would not be even able to use magic weapon...).

I'd say, if you want to make a HA cleric, do so, but expect to be despised even more, kicked out of squads, die a lot more (since most mobs are magic based). Also, you will have to stress way more to level up than a AA or LA cleric.

That is the second option, make a LA cleric, I know some LA clerics that kick butt, and I probably know a HA cleric that is not longer playing lol (havent seen her).

I saw that HA cleric is a valid end game build, once. Been curious ever since. Pretty sure they were talking TW build with highly refined armor.

Basically HA refines much better for higher hp. Having high enough magic stats for your weapon means you still have decent mdef, you'll have high pdef from HA, so you won't be picked off in TW by archers using physical attacks or wizards using magic attacks. Because most people use charms during TWs, the more balanced defense gives you more opportunities to survive for a second hit and long enough for your charm to tick.

I think the +30 attack jones blessings ruined this build, though, since now archers and wizards can still one shout either HA barbs or AA wizards.