Well I hope you're all feeling ashamed of yourselves.

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

I agree that posters should not take it upon themselves to exercise the functions of moderators. But to a large degree a forum community self regulates itself, and seemingly arbitrary changes can have disastrous effects on this equilibrium. This is precisely why i'm not entirely comfortable with the idea of mods simply being chosen by the CM from amongst members of the community. Anyone enjoying a certain standing in the community is likely also tied to certain players, positions, etc. while someone with no real background generates enormous mistrust. I actually rather like the idea you propose of a training period, but still believe that clear criteria for elegibility, as well as an ideally slow application process, would allow both the comunity and those posters who aspire to become moderators the oportunity to gradually adjust to each other. This is keeping in perspective that while a mod should certainly become a part of the community, he/she also needs to stand appart on some issues, avoid taking sides and hold to a higher conduct standard that other users.

I think I would quantify that statement and say that this forum self-regulates up to the point of what people can get away with. Let's be honest, look through my posting history. I've done stuff against the rules; nearly everyone on this board with a significant number of posts (I won't say everyone, but it might as well be) has trolled, flamed, or spammed on some occasion, because we know we can get away with it. If these forums had proper staff, the rules might actually mean something.

If I can further explain the position of those assistants, they were chosen from active, helpful, and had as you put it a "higher conduct standard" that was noticed by the in-staff mods.

The main problem with unknowns as mods is that, well, no one knows them. No one knows their posting habits, no one knows their personality quirks, no one knows them. Whether they do or not, they'll never be able to convince anyone that they either know or care about the boards. I would tend to feel this way because, in my opinion, if a forum interests you enough that you devote significant amounts of time using it for something other than a reference point, question board, or other help tool (nothing wrong with those uses), you're going to post a number of times. Participating in a forum is basically the only real way of showing your interest in it (beyond a help tool interest); interacting with the members is the only way to get to know them. It should be impossible to know if a person will be good for YOUR particular set of boards (from a CM's viewpoint) if they have never posted significantly there. They don't have to have the most posts, and their posts don't all have to be perfect, every single one offering some sort of tidbit of info. But they should demonstrate an active interest in the forums and community.

Do I trust our mods? Frankly, no. While they're trying to do a good job, and largely, they're doing ok, they'll never be a part of this community. Mods are not a part of this community, they are always going to be a bit outside of it. If they weren't part of it before they became mods, the door has already shut once they take the mod position. They can look in the windows and get a kind of idea of what's going on, but if they're not already in the community when the modding starts, the chances of them becoming a part is slim to none. No matter how nice/friendly/good at modding they are. Just look at spoons. We were all friendly to him, and he to us, and he got -close- to being part of the community, he was -close- to the community, but he never quite made it.

$0.02

KuiXing - Harshlands wrote: »

thanks for enlightening us Rawrgh -.-

Just doing my duty young citizen.

OOOOOOOOOK after reading everything an stayin out of everything on frieday -tempting as it was to comment on some things- I did't I however would like to post a few now and state that there is both unjust and just reasons for actions on both sides. In personal opinion the new CM's could have been better chosen to an extent for community based people we know and do trust as well as feel would have earned the position.
However even though we may have perfered others to be a mod they may have been offered it before and declined due to not wanting the position. I do feel shelly may not be nessicarly the most active on forums post wise but that in itself doesnt mean she has not been here a while. For instance my icon says 09 that is incorrect entirely I have been here since 08 I only updated my icon that month the first time due to boredom and it was reset. My Orginal name was zionwarrior and in Otc 08 was when i first started using forums(not always my join date) I have been somewhat passive these last months as well on forums I admit and not to many do know me here as it has been of late. As said with shelly's posts of being here and knowing us if she posted her toon names I don't think that would go over well as IF she did I bet she would be chatted and spammed to high hell

To those saying the days of frankie were better they may have been however they are gone. thats how that is. WE as Human Beings have managed to adapt survive and evolve to any type of environment almost so far being why I do say we should adapt now rather then complaine about it.

IF we complaine incorrectly WE (the player base) get nothing other then trouble as it wasnt done properly and or it ended up fueling more problems in the long run (frieday event FTL)
I do not say speaking your mind is a bad thing. Not at all but as to how you would do it and repeating senseless dirogitory and volitile commentary is not ever helping either while it may get a reaction (IT wont be what you want in the long run)

As a person who has seen things good and bad done I know not everything done has been done correctly although after admitting to what they (being the mods) did do wrong (a.k.a frankie) for their part show some proper attitude after the hell that was shoved their way when trying to find somebody (WILLING) to take over this place. AS well as try to do it some good KNOWING full well they wouldnt be liked for it.
As it is some of the bans were long over due however compiling past problems into current and putting the perm ban on is not always going to help matters with no explaination to those who do speak the truth and then get banned for not doing it properly.

As I myself know most the time mods are not going to post something if they feel it will get flamed at such as the DQ prices problem or TT problem to an extent. As If they did post that we did try (we being the mods) then US (being the forum and players would want to see evidence) which can't happen to an extent due to TOS and company regulations however giving updates to that would be nice to let us know that it cant happen due to problems and such on both sides.

I DO not say as to everybody was in the wrong but adding fuel to a inferno just because something that should have been delt with long ago hasnt been only gets you burnt to.(your holding a can of gas in your hands an pourin it in what do you think is gonna happen to the fuel>_>)

I DO give credit to shelly for at least coming to this area to try an be a mod if though done incorrectly to an extent imo and others IF she does play our servers I DO understand why she doesnt give her name or server.

Grim has been a spammer in the past however IF he is going to try an get this forum at least decent modding done I say give him a half chance at that at least we know he has done some good.(not all but some)

Truth be told I never heard of the third person either but IF they can at least show that they wont be to screwed up I can probably tolerate it (if they do basic things to an extent w/o going to far overboard)

AS to the frieday bann fest I do not see how else they could have delt with the hate spam and flaming as to everybody was heated and half of what was ment to be decent turned into hate flame and fuel for somebody else to use.

In the aftermath those who should be given back the forum use will likely be given it back I don't doubt it BUT I do bet that they will probably have to contact frankie etc an not be rude about it for gettin it back.(were i frankie an somebody was sayin you you you and @!$# this an that I don't feel I'd have any inclination to bring that back to forums either)

AS it is IF given a choice I would nominate Miugre as a mod but he doesnt like that sort of place or position as although he has a sound head on his shoulders and would do well. I don't think he would like the job as one since he knows people flame you for trying to do something right even if you cant help the outcome. HE IS also a long time pwi player and forums user. AS well as one of the OG players on this game I am surprised he still is around tbh same for myself at that matter >_>

That aside though I DO know the new mods have been very tolerent of everybody AND DO NOT SAY they arnt IF they were not they would have closed this thread and a lot more as of late and locked them all as well as temp bans for trolling

I appreciate the forum moderator appointments and subsequent incidents following on from that led to the "incident" on Friday, but in my view, although it plays a role, the substantial causes of player discontent is still the state of the game itself.

If players continue to perceive that PWI are not listening to them with regards to the issues with the game itself (bugs, balance issues, pack sales etc) then it will only be a matter of time until a repeat performance.

I applaud Grippieluver's Answers (Frankie and Mods may want to take a look) thread where answers to some player concerns were forthcoming but I would suggest, without the said incident, we would not have received these answers in a timely manner.

How about chaotic Friday... our very own Friday the 13th. =x Even if it has only happened once so far, and in all likely hood if something isn't done soon, we may see another riot on these forums.

Though the responses have definitely helped, but as you said, it's unlikely we would have gotten them so soon if the forum didn't revolt like it did. =x


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I would say more but meh time's limited right now.

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Heh, we need a name for "friday," don't we? Troll Friday? Fail Friday? Anyone else wanna throw out a suggestion?

Bloody Friday. b:chuckleb:surrender

Chaoticshelly i love you will you marry me b:kiss

It's really very simple: change servers.

PWI is a cash monster. Move to where they still value you as human beings, not cash shoppers.

It's that simple.

b:pleased

fromtherear wrote: »

Ya'll need to stop whining

-removed-

Removed by shelly for pornography? holy**** what did i miss over the last couple days while i been busy with another if PWI's games (which i apparently cant name cuz its bannable i guess even tho its pwi) and not lurkin the forums since the "tsunami" over the weekend..

Also, nope i'm not ashamed of myself, actually i kinda kept mostly out of it except to mention it was like a bloody trainwreck nobody could seem to stay away from..

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Heh, we need a name for "friday," don't we? Troll Friday? Fail Friday? Anyone else wanna throw out a suggestion?

Nerdrage of 2010 (: