Well I hope you're all feeling ashamed of yourselves.

Grippieluver - Lost City wrote: »

Sorry for popping in, but this is one out of MAYBE 2 threads that are still Nerdraging about things. It's time for things to settle down.

I know, random comment right?

its not really nerdrage anymore its more like REAL complaining about the disrespect we've been given and being ignored. all we want is for our voices to be heard and for it to be taken into concideration.

But you are being heard. Frankie has been responding... all I see is evryone wanting somehting to QQ about

Again its not QQ =.= were having a serious conversation not all QQ CHANGE THINGS BACK I DONT LIKE IT. That is QQing THIS is not.

Katzyn - Sanctuary wrote: »

I do wish people would stop bringing up Spoons. Yes, he was mostly a great GM, and a lot of us miss him.

But he won't be back. And no amount of wishing he'd come back, or talking about him and the "better days" can change that.

Additionally, continuing to compare him and his time to today is doing no good at this point. Frankie has admitted that there needs to be more communication. That's a huge step in the right direction, so further comparing is pointless and seems mean-spirited.

I understand what you're saying i was merely using spoons as an example of a good GM, and a time when it appeared that PWE in general gave a rats **** about what the community thought.

And yes as you say, frankie saying that is a step in the right direction, but its words and judging by how many words have been used to quell riots here with jack all happening afterwards i really dont take anyones word as worth too much.

Grippieluver - Lost City wrote: »

But you are being heard. Frankie has been responding... all I see is evryone wanting somehting to QQ about

So, wait, people are starting to calm down and rationally discuss what happened, with each side conceding where and when they went to far, and your contribution is to pop in and throw out accusations of "Nerdraging" and "QQ" because silence is the solution and anybody who is still talking about what happened, no matter how respectfully, is the problem.

Hmm... I think I've heard this theory before...

Oh right, that's the same tried-and-true system used by dysfunctional couples all around the world for countless generations: Mounting Conflict => Suppression of Views => Emotional Blowup => Actions Taken in Anger => Calming Down => "Let's just forget the whole thing" => Repeat Cycle.

Conavar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Can't argue over that.
IMO I think a lot of the problem has been as other have stated they have spread the modding team to thin. Rather than as they should do and have Game forum specific Mod's they have a handful dealing with 3 or 4 forums at a time.
Im sure even if its not intended those mods are drawn towards the forum/game that interest them the most leaving the rest neglected.

i agree that the mod team is spread to thin, nothing i can argue about what you just said. however the new mods, nothing against them or anything, are being a little to harsh on the community and seem to be to detached from the community. people have stated that they wish that the mods were people we KNEW and RESPECTED not just people they have gotten from other forums.

KuiXing - Harshlands wrote: »

i agree that the mod team is spread to thin, nothing i can argue about what you just said. however the new mods, nothing against them or anything, are being a little to harsh on the community and seem to be to detached from the community. people have stated that they wish that the mods were people we KNEW and RESPECTED not just people they have gotten from other forums.

I disagree. You're lingering on the past. Shelly has definately stepped up. She's not being harsh at all. She's been doing her job, and she's definately not detached from the community. I PM'd her and she responded straight away. And she even posts responses before she closes. Grim, well I can't say because I rarely see him now-a-day.

Conavar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Only problem that arises with that is that it's highly subjective to peoples views.

One person's respected poster might be anothers troll.

^this

Alphae - Lost City wrote: »

There just aren't enough mods. Plain and simple. If there were enough mods, there might be a semblance or proper management of the forums, but there aren't enough mods.

There just aren't enough mods.

This. There aren't enough mods.. it's not that the mods are doing a bad job

I agree the number of mods is insufficient but this is probably not the best time to add new ones. For one their nomination, in the light of recent events, could prove an issue yet again. Some posters would certainly feel it would be adding insult to injury if the criteria used results in similar choices to those already made. It would also add to the chaos since even small mistakes would be little tolerated.

What i think should be done, once the current unrest has lessened some more, would be to make a profile (preferably with some community input) and to have it available along with some sort of instructions for volunteers (after all Frankie did acknowledge Grim sought the position and worked for it). However the whole affair should make it perfectly clear that while Frankie would not stray from the profile, it would be his decission who gets the job, and that no one would be entitled to claim earning it even if they met the criteria and applied properly. This is something important that the community should back Frankie on, since ultimately it is his responsability, and with clear rules established no one could complain about more suitable people being overlooked.

Grippieluver - Lost City wrote: »

Alphae - Lost City wrote: »

There just aren't enough mods. Plain and simple. If there were enough mods, there might be a semblance or proper management of the forums, but there aren't enough mods.

There just aren't enough mods.

This. There aren't enough mods.. it's not that the mods are doing a bad job

No, there are mods doing a bad job too. But it's amplified about 10,000-fold by the fact that there is nowhere near enough staff for this board.

Conavar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Iv'e always gone by the opinion that if you have to ask to be a Mod then you should never be one.
But that's just a personal view

I've worked on boards where asking to be a mod automatically disqualified you. For long, long periods of time.

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

It depends really. If you've already got someone who's doing the modding job using moral authority there's no good reason to ruin that with an official appointment. You sometimes see people who are respected enough they act as de facto moderators loose the community's trust when appointed. On the other hand there are advantages to having a clear system set in place, especially if people perceive mods have earned their job. You may be right, however.

Edit; I feel i should add that picking the right person for ANY job, remains more art than science.

IMO people who aren't mods, shouldn't mod i.e. minimodding. Just gets on my nerves in a major fashion.

Personally the idea that mods earn their places isn't unattainable. I modded a board once where we basically appointed assistants that modded 1-2 sub-boards. If they proved themselves doing that, they became full mods. It was quite simple and worked well. By the time they had banning/global modding powers, they were respected and knew the ropes of the forum, and their numbers meant that no one needed to mini-mod (it was actually against the rules of the forum).

Your Mother.

lolsaucexd wrote: »

You sir are right, although I stopped browsing the forums more and more and just play the game.
Migure, ditch the forum board and just play the game, so as the other people that calmed down. Trolls will always be around.

Trolls will always be around.

Bleep Bloop. +1 To that

I Defeated Michael_Dark Yay

thanks for enlightening us Rawrgh -.-