So, what do you think makes for an apropiate response?

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  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    When the cat is away the mice will play... Let it go Lenore, once again, i cannot discuss what happened but, while it involved that certain fish, my quieting down had nothing to do with him reporting me. And the timing for this thread has nothing to do with my "locking down" threads, it has to do with people not taking responsability for their actions. I am here trying to do precisely that. You're just here trolling and flaming.

    Waffle i told you to stay away, why don't you tell your friends about your little jive against Jews in Airyll's thread? I've already reported you to Frankie and i certainly don't want you in my thread.

    Everyone else, the topic is clearly stated in the OP and is not about me but about what makes an appropiate and proportional response to insults and baiting. I would like to tank once again those of you on topic for your contributions.
  • Lenn_ - Sanctuary
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Waffle i told you to stay away, why don't you tell your friends about your little jive against Jews in Airyll's thread? I've already reported you to Frankie and i certainly don't want you in my thread.
    funny, the only one talking about racial profiling is yourself. the only whom talked about hatred towards mexicans, jews, and any other race for that matter was you. quite frankly, you have no right to tell me where to and where not to post.

    you need to get your preconcieved, self righteous, miscontorted views and take them elsewhere. no one likes a petty poster.
  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YtH2rjrfaI&ob=av2n
  • Lenn_ - Sanctuary
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlWB8Qop4Pw&ob=av3n
  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFE6qQ3ySXE&ob=av2n
  • Lenn_ - Sanctuary
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    This video contains content from EMI, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqORhPvfJfY
  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Which certainly doesn't excuse your bad taste in music... b:spit

    Don't worry, i made sure to choose an internatinally available version for this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgGA-hHWxtA&feature=related
  • Lenn_ - Sanctuary
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Which certainly doesn't excuse your bad taste in music... b:spit

    Don't worry, i made sure to choose an internatinally available version for this.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgGA-hHWxtA&feature=related
    who said that was my taste in music? its the name of the song that is the message it conveys.

    manray: 'stay away'
    me: 'make me'
    manray: link that doesnt work
    me: 'failure song'
    manray: 'smack my beep up'
    me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cej49JtMmjM
  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    What you post reflects on you. A third party clicking on the links is suposed to enjoy your links, any idiot can just use search on Youtube and come up with music that's got offensive titles. Now, conveying a message with good music requires you actually have taste.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaHMe_iCh70

    Oh, and here's an available version to the song you missed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62j8n2_T1-c&feature=related
  • Lenn_ - Sanctuary
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    What you post reflects on you. A third party clicking on the links is suposed to enjoy your links, any idiot can just use search on Youtube and come up with music that's got offensive titles. Now, conveying a message with good music requires you actually have taste.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaHMe_iCh70

    Oh, and here's an available version to the song you missed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62j8n2_T1-c&feature=related
    quite the opposite. it's all about relevance to the situation at hand. not about enjoying the content. if you hadn't noticed, the only one who had offensive titles (being profanity, jerk isnt offensive) so far was yourself. does this make you an idiot? think before you type something.

    my taste in music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5L7GyZeazM

    what you can do for me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMm1Ou3rhIw
  • trollfacee
    trollfacee Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    who said that was my taste in music? its the name of the song that is the message it conveys.

    manray: 'stay away'
    me: 'make me'
    manray: link that doesnt work
    me: 'failure song'
    manray: 'smack my beep up'
    me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cej49JtMmjM

    i must admit, i giggled at that song.
  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    With self criticism being largely missing from the comunity, despite this being the moment when it would be required the most, i would like to make a comment on the absolute inability of some posters to hold civilized discourse.

    Let's get it out of the way, yes, i'm well known to be an aggressive poster. But believe it or not i'm NEVER hostile if unprovoked.
    In all honesty, if you had an ounce of dignity you would have let someone else post this.
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    **** dog. I've had it with your lame and sorry pathetic insults. You've never had complaints? Ofc you have, you're just too much of a ****** to read between the lines.

    You're so pathetic no doubt you cried whenever someone failed to thank you after you ressed them.

    You probably only play cleric because you like being needed you pathetic ****.

    Just in case it isn't clear, I'M CALLING YOU A COWARD AND A LIAR. You stupid SOB, wanna jump to conclussions off what people write in forums? What do you think you're overcompensating for? That's right, you D...less FREAK.
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Really? How would you know being a full fledged idiot?
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Go **** yourself Janus
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    2. Yeah, you were answering the wrong post idiot.
    8. Lamest comeback you've managed so far, l2read noob.
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Edit; Just saw your post, i was busy watching vids... And it's all right, to me you're just a stupid idiot until you learn the difference between tempered criticism and asskissing...
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    And you think you proved me wrong you idiot?

    I'm sure there are many more.

    It's well documented that whether it be clergy against **** or **** marriage, clergy against pedophilia or sodomy, clergy against, well, pretty much anything, politicians against, well, anything, that the most vocal people surrounding moral issues, tend to be the biggest hypocrites. No surprise when I read the first paragraph I laughed my *** off. I'm sure the quotes provided will surprise no one, but for the few who haven't had discourse with you, they will get an idea of the hilarious hypocrisy espoused now. For all the posts I see apologizing I see even more insulting people after. I'm smart enough not to apologize if I'm going to just do something again (hence why I don't apologize for anything here) and sadly your real life issues seem to resonate on this forum.

    Enjoy.
  • Lenn_ - Sanctuary
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    In all honesty, if you had an ounce of dignity you would have let someone else post this.




    I'm sure there are many more.

    It's well documented that whether it be clergy against **** or **** marriage, clergy against pedophilia or sodomy, clergy against, well, pretty much anything, politicians against, well, anything, that the most vocal people surrounding moral issues, tend to be the biggest hypocrites. No surprise when I read the first paragraph I laughed my *** off. I'm sure the quotes provided will surprise no one, but for the few who haven't had discourse with you, they will get an idea of the hilarious hypocrisy espoused now. For all the posts I see apologizing I see even more insulting people after. I'm smart enough not to apologize if I'm going to just do something again (hence why I don't apologize for anything here) and sadly your real life issues seem to resonate on this forum.

    Enjoy.
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    It's well documented that whether it be clergy against **** or **** marriage, clergy against pedophilia or sodomy, clergy against, well, pretty much anything, politicians against, well, anything, that the most vocal people surrounding moral issues, tend to be the biggest hypocrites. No surprise when I read the first paragraph I laughed my *** off. I'm sure the quotes provided will surprise no one, but for the few who haven't had discourse with you, they will get an idea of the hilarious hypocrisy espoused now. For all the posts I see apologizing I see even more insulting people after. I'm smart enough not to apologize if I'm going to just do something again (hence why I don't apologize for anything here) and sadly your real life issues seem to resonate on this forum.

    Enjoy.

    Thank you for this post. It sure has a spot in something that I'm making soon.
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  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    quite the opposite. it's all about relevance to the situation at hand. not about enjoying the content. if you hadn't noticed, the only one who had offensive titles (being profanity, jerk isnt offensive) so far was yourself. does this make you an idiot? think before you type something.

    my taste in music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5L7GyZeazM

    what you can do for me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMm1Ou3rhIw

    No wonder you can't come up with decent music, Slayer?! b:spit See you miss the point, it's not about song titles but about conveying your message in a fun way.

    Like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5n84fPauiQ&feature=related

    And Janus, apparently you missed the point as well. Those quotes make things look very one sided as you seem to have thought convenient to leave out your own insults and provocations. As for my character, it is said a man can be known by the value of his enemies. As a poster it appears i'm worth the same as all of PW's high level trolls put together. b:sin
  • Lenn_ - Sanctuary
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    No wonder you can't come up with decent music, Slayer?! b:spit See you miss the point, it's not about song titles but about conveying your message in a fun way.

    Like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5n84fPauiQ&feature=related

    And Janus, apparently you missed the point as well. Those quotes make things look very one sided as you seem to have thought convenient to leave out your own insults and provocations. As for my character, it is said a man can be known by the value of his enemies. As a poster it appears i'm worth the same as all of PW's high level trolls put together. b:sin
    not very one sided at all, its clearly you using baseless insults. like a hypocrite.
    makes you look like an: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wti4SA0YZ90
  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    not very one sided at all, its clearly you using baseless insults. like a hypocrite.
    makes you look like an: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wti4SA0YZ90

    Except i'm not American, you idiot.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTmfg6e7zDk
  • Lenn_ - Sanctuary
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    what part of look like, and a definitive 'are' cant you differentiate, idiot.

    heres a song more suited for your taste:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_SS-TyXhhU
    more you post the dumber you get:|
  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    And Janus, apparently you missed the point as well. Those quotes make things look very one sided as you seem to have thought convenient to leave out your own insults and provocations. As for my character, it is said a man can be known by the value of his enemies. As a poster it appears i'm worth the same as all of PW's high level trolls put together. b:sin

    It really doesn't matter if it makes you look one sided or not if that 'one sided' means insulting. Insults shouldn't be tolerated here at all. And believe me, I've seen people get banned for that.

    I know Janus (and to some extent, me) has used insults before. If I decided to dig those up I might find some very interesting ones but it's much more convenient for me to look at Janus' post and see what you have done. I'm sure frankie will like that post as well.
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  • Dashiko - Sanctuary
    Dashiko - Sanctuary Posts: 218 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Lenore - Harshlands wrote: »
    LMAO, you got me there ^_~

    Looks weird if I put 'nough though.....

    Well Duh did you figure that out while you were on your high horse or when you failed and fell off.
  • Lenn_ - Sanctuary
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    7 pages, and a day late noob. lol.
  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    It really doesn't matter if it makes you look one sided or not if that 'one sided' means insulting. Insults shouldn't be tolerated here at all. And believe me, I've seen people get banned for that.

    I know Janus (and to some extent, me) has used insults before. If I decided to dig those up I might find some very interesting ones but it's much more convenient for me to look at Janus' post and see what you have done. I'm sure frankie will like that post as well.

    Is that a threat? Come on Kupuntu, you still have it in for me? Was it the mancrush ting? I would take it as the best thing that could be done for this forums if anyone who's posted on this thread was IP banned permanently because apparently it seems to have attracted all the scum posting in PW forums. That i would consider a fitting final service for this forums if really i can't convince any of you to change your ways.

    And Waffle, you want to get started on prejudice again. Actually try getting the message looser.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04fAzuS04R0

    Edit; Nice, picking on a poster that has done nothing to you. You really are the lowest form of life in this forums.
  • nocturnalbastard
    nocturnalbastard Posts: 267 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I'm sure there are many more.


    I posted a reply to one of his posts:
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    You're out of your mind if you think TW isn't one of the most important aspects of end-game PWI has to offer. The most active players in any MMO are gonna be looking for whatever end-game content it has to offer. If there wasn't any end-game content... what would be the point of leveling, gearing up and charging zen? So you hit level 100 and quit? Competitive game play is what keeps most people entertained and continue playing. PW is very limited on end-game content so TW is one of the hugest things that kept people playing.

    As for declining populations... I don't claim to exactly know. This is purely based off my observations as an observant that is easily online more than 60+ hours a week. All the long term players are being driven to quit and they're being replaced with these new generation players that don't know what they're doing. Perhaps the total population hasn't changed, but this new population has nothing to look forward to as end-game content with TW dead. Let's see... Tournament holds 128 people. Last year there would be so many people there wouldn't be enough chests for everyone to participate. Now not even half of those chests are taken. Severe decrease of anyone at grinding spots. About 3 months ago there used to be waiting lines at grinding spots in OVS because it was packed with people grinding... now it's always empty. Another example is faction activity. About 3 months ago there was easily 80-100 people online daily. Now we have 30-40.. and we're the biggest TW faction of 190 members. High levels becoming inactive much more rapidly than before. 2/3rds of our old TW roster 3 months ago is now inactive. My observations seem to conclude that high levels are quitting at a faster than ever before.

    http://w2i.wanmei.com/news/gamenews/...17/54352.shtml link for PW-CN's recent server merges. 6 servers becoming 3. I'd say by the looks of it... if PW-CN is indicating that it's a dying game... PWI will follow suit if they decide to shut down. PW-CN's hard core gaming style's declining population indicates that there is an overall lack of competition there too.

    I'm not arguing that there isn't incentive.. it doesn't even seem like problems are being acknowledged. A lot of people are just riding this game out until another MMO comes out... it didn't have to be this way though. PW-CN seems to have acknowledged this and have already taken action in the form of server merging to buy more time.

    And here was his response (his original post was deleted by the mods but two other quotes of this were not deleted):
    MANray wrote: »
    You idiotic troll, you speak for no one but yourself and i could care less that you get your kicks being on a "top" faction ganking the "second best guild" regularly. You're nothing but a bully both ingame and on forums. I guess you might as well come clean about how many heavy spenders you cybered to get your gear while you were oracling your way up, then again, you're likely the kind that likes to talk dirty to 14 year old girls... But of course, being a no lifer (and your continued pressence in forums while leveling over a 100 suggests nothing else) you must feel "entitled" to "your" game. Yea, you know just exactly what is better for the rest of us, don't you? TW must be vital even to those of us who actually go to pubs on weekend nights to meet our irl friends and will never be able to fully participate on an activity that would require us to sacrifice even a small part of our SOCIAL life.

    So there MANray, you have your context for you. Civilized discourse what?
  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    And Janus, apparently you missed the point as well. Those quotes make things look very one sided as you seem to have thought convenient to leave out your own insults and provocations. As for my character, it is said a man can be known by the value of his enemies. As a poster it appears i'm worth the same as all of PW's high level trolls put together. b:sin
    Yeah, my insults and provocations, that's nice. I'm not making topics telling everyone else they should self criticize more and hilariously complain that others cannot hold civilized discourse. I'm also not apologizing to people for insulting them then turning around and doing it even more.

    Btw, if the hypocrite part wasn't emphasized.. from somewhere else:
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Alternatively, the "hypocrite" part of the brain is still obviously functioning. b:laugh
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    And no, you don't have better things to do. Pot calling kettle black again? Those who have to so forcefully proclaim they have a life are, as everyone knows, those with, indeed, no life. Typical hypocrite, and boring. Hypocrite yet again.

    Of course, if you consider from my last post..
    It's well documented that whether it be clergy against **** or **** marriage, clergy against pedophilia or sodomy, clergy against, well, pretty much anything, politicians against, well, anything, that the most vocal people surrounding moral issues, tend to be the biggest hypocrites.

    It comes full circle. b:bye
  • Lenn_ - Sanctuary
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Is that a threat? Come on Kupuntu, you still have it in for me? Was it the mancrush ting? I would take it as the best thing that could be done for this forums if anyone who's posted on this thread was IP banned permanently because apparently it seems to have attracted all the scum posting in PW forums. That i would consider a fitting final service for this forums if really i can't convince any of you to change your ways.

    And Waffle, you want to get started on prejudice again. Actually try getting the message looser.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04fAzuS04R0

    Edit; Nice, picking on a poster that has done nothing to you. You really are the lowest form of life in this forums.
    oh look, prejudice in your own post condemning it!!! mancrush? you are implying he is homosexual in a negative way. this is bigotry in itself. just stop posting, you are embarassing yourself.
  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Oh, Michael, i really wouldn't have taken you for the grudge holding type. You are seriously going to argue that you have not done far worse? Do you honestly believe you didn't deserve that? You're the worst bully in this place. Your average poster may dislike me, but they all hate your guts. Is there even someone in this forums you haven't called an idiot? LOL, you're so pathetic.
  • ntkn
    ntkn Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    every single person in this god damned thread is a hypocrite. there is no sense in arguing over who is one and who isntb:chuckle
  • Rillien - Heavens Tear
    Rillien - Heavens Tear Posts: 569 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I would take it as the best thing that could be done for this forums if anyone who's posted on this thread was IP banned permanently because apparently it seems to have attracted all the scum posting in PW forums. That i would consider a fitting final service for this forums if really i can't convince any of you to change your ways.

    This is a problem. Not picking on you personally, but I know Silvaf posted some great advice a page or two ago and once again people who have nice/on-topic things to say are ignored in favour of derailment. This seems to happen on most threads once insults are hurled.

    Best idea ever is to brush off those insults because they really mean nothing. Everyone here is a silly avatar that spews text; take their responses for what they are but once you start taking their words seriously it is way too easy to get riled up over what should be a largely inconsequential discussion forum.
  • Dashiko - Sanctuary
    Dashiko - Sanctuary Posts: 218 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    oh look, prejudice in your own post condemning it!!! mancrush? you are implying he is homosexual in a negative way. this is bigotry in itself. just stop posting, you are embarassing yourself.

    You're Embarrassing yourself too

    Posting bull****. Music, Nobody wants to hear that and EFF everyone else who likes Meaningless rap music.

    Post something that's worth listening to and not just slandering another person. Obviously you can't find anything better or afford to listen to anything better because your can't afford new music, afraid of being criticized by your Numb skulled peers because of your new found taste or you're just a band wagoner looking for sex in every which way.
  • Dashiko - Sanctuary
    Dashiko - Sanctuary Posts: 218 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Oh, Michael, i really wouldn't have taken you for the grudge holding type. You are seriously going to argue that you have not done far worse? Do you honestly believe you didn't deserve that? You're the worst bully in this place. Your average poster may dislike me, but they all hate your guts. Is there even someone in this forums you haven't called an idiot? LOL, you're so pathetic.

    Edit: Mis-Read
    but they all hate your guts.

    That would be me. he's a total piece of sht. Thinks he's the smartest guy alive

    Excuse the double post.
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