Well I hope you're all feeling ashamed of yourselves.
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Caoijmhe - Heavens Tear wrote: »You never read his last post, did you?
Sure I did. I was chatting with him on MSN at the time.0 -
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Caoijmhe - Heavens Tear wrote: »That may be, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's not sane.
You need to turn up the sensitivity on your humor meter.0 -
he was about as sane as jar jar binks on LSD.Caoijmhe - Heavens Tear wrote: »That may be, but it doesn't necessarily mean he's not sane.0 -
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I can image that only a small % of all players even read the forum(And even smaller part actually write something on it),still I think that we count something,not that much,but some money that I won't just throw out of the window.
And yes I knonw some if not most of people who say they're gonna do this or that then end do something else.
Still for how little we counts,I won't ignore us if I was an economy company,at least I would tell better lies.....Iam Segreta,Queen of the Chicken Kingdom,proud owner of the legendary Blue Chicken,BEHOLD Mortals o,o^
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Segreta - Sanctuary wrote: ».
And yes I knonw some if not most of people who say they're gonna do this or that then end do something else.
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That's the central issue; obviously no one has effectively been able to get everyone to stop spending money enough so that they begin listening to us. Maybe it's bad organization, maybe it's too few people paying attention to the forums, but we are not united. So you have people who try to be reasonable and see that it fails [because there aren't enough people presenting their concerns] and then go crazy in response.
I don't think this will ever change.0 -
Well I think its the lack of communication the thing that upset the most.
Telling lies its a bad thing,to ignore its even worse.
I want ieatwithspoon back b:surrenderIam Segreta,Queen of the Chicken Kingdom,proud owner of the legendary Blue Chicken,BEHOLD Mortals o,o^
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Rillien - Heavens Tear wrote: »That's the central issue; obviously no one has effectively been able to get everyone to stop spending money enough so that they begin listening to us. Maybe it's bad organization, maybe it's too few people paying attention to the forums, but we are not united. So you have people who try to be reasonable and see that it fails [because there aren't enough people presenting their concerns] and then go crazy in response.
I don't think this will ever change.
There will always be idiots who believe that "Corruption of PwE" is just another Phrase for:
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »On a side note, I hope someone on LC can drop Hamsta a line when this is all over. I would totally have supported him as a mod.
Which is the really sad thing... we're not driving out the current staff, we're driving out the sane people who could've replaced them.
this may be true, but i wonder why red rose nor hamsta PMed frankie and try to volunteer for mod positions despite them wanting better mods and wanting a better forum.
after all, thats wat grim did.0 -
As far as I know they didn't say anything about wanting to be mods. They just wanted better mods.trollfacee wrote: »this may be true, but i wonder why red rose nor hamsta PMed frankie and try to volunteer for mod positions despite them wanting better mods and wanting a better forum.
after all, thats wat grim did.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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You know, as much as the post makes sense, at the same time it doesn't.
Just like people scream "OMG it's only a game go take a breath" at the QQ trolls who are always QQing, we could say the same about this thread. It's only a forum, no need to feel ashamed.
I do agree things need to calm down, there have been serious issues on both sides of the coin as it were, and one side is going to have to start fixing it before the other side can because otherwise it's this big stalemate and it goes nowhere. As of right now, given the number of people angry with Frankie and the mods, it's the posters and player base who are in a better position to start being mature and fixing their own behaviour.
Of course, if the posters were to start doing this and then nothing is rectified, you could expect an outrage and a riot even bigger and more explosive then the one just gone by.
On that note, I am not ashamed. I am not ashamed and have no reason to be. I should have been banned ages ago. I've made worse posts than Michael or Mista made for instance, definitely said worse things then NightRage, etc. etc. There's no reason for me not to be banned and nobody short of Frankie himself knows why I'm not off these forums yet.
I know plenty of people who would like to know, including myself, but eh.
Point: I am not ashamed that somebody didn't do their job and let me continue on posting as I was. That is no fault of mine that they did not act where they should have done, why should I be ashamed of it? It wasn't my job to banhammer myself, it was Frankie's.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
AlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »As far as I know they didn't say anything about wanting to be mods. They just wanted better mods.
Better mods, but if those two didn't want to be mods, then who would have been chosen by the public? There has to be a balance between the enforcers of the forum, and the people, and really...I, personally cannot think of too many people that would have been honestly accepted by BOTH sides. Not to mention, the people that would have been acceptable to both side, would they have even wanted the job in the first place? So this has all been a mess, yes, but I can't see how it could have been much better.Katzyn, level 101 Demon Veno
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »On a side note, I hope someone on LC can drop Hamsta a line when this is all over. I would totally have supported him as a mod.
Which is the really sad thing... we're not driving out the current staff, we're driving out the sane people who could've replaced them.
I agree with this. I definitely would have supported hamsta as a mod., and reds.
I kept myself out of the entire mess on that day but I did read most of the topics and understand why everything went crazy like it did.Main characters
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There will is, no doubt, an awful lot being done behind the scenes by Frankie and the team, all for you ladies and gentlemen. Yes, a lot sure needs to be done but most of the forum goers (in particular trollers) have lost sight of the whole picture.
People get all scary mary over something they have enjoyed and see crumbling. Sounds like reasonable sense when done in a practical way.
This past week, we have seen new mods introduced and people bricked themselves. This caused people, who say themselves that they are intellectually superior beings to get all too big for their boots, explode in a ego rage and lose track of reality.
Airyll, I'm only placing your name here because of a good thread you made. ChaoticShelly fought tooth and nail to keep your thread on track and open for YOU and for the decency of the topic and the reasonable forum users. Sadly, as a follow up to the nerdrage 2010 incident, WUMs have started to join the fray, turning to racism, insulting nationalities and religious demographics. Not only that, it started to turn into a dating thread. Shelly doesn't deserve the grief she gets. That other thread someone mentioned in another thread, people were asking for that to be moved, it was a set up all along, no chance to get that right.
In light of all the other stuff, there is a very big picture, it's about time all the doubters started to see it, maybe then you will feel a little aggrieved at your actions.
Blinkers are for silly mares, I urge you all to take them off.
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Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »I agree with this. I definitely would have supported hamsta as a mod., and reds.
I kept myself out of the entire mess on that day but I did read most of the topics and understand why everything went crazy like it did.
Zoe agreed with the masses! I guess we must REALLY have a point. *hint*0 -
Alright, alright. XD The word "ashamed" really didn't belong in the title. The ironic thing is, after all that text in the OP, I couldn't think of the right words for the title. I'd change it now if I could. :PAiryll - Dreamweaver wrote: »You know, as much as the post makes sense, at the same time it doesn't.
Just like people scream "OMG it's only a game go take a breath" at the QQ trolls who are always QQing, we could say the same about this thread. It's only a forum, no need to feel ashamed.
I do agree things need to calm down, there have been serious issues on both sides of the coin as it were, and one side is going to have to start fixing it before the other side can because otherwise it's this big stalemate and it goes nowhere. As of right now, given the number of people angry with Frankie and the mods, it's the posters and player base who are in a better position to start being mature and fixing their own behaviour.
Of course, if the posters were to start doing this and then nothing is rectified, you could expect an outrage and a riot even bigger and more explosive then the one just gone by.
On that note, I am not ashamed. I am not ashamed and have no reason to be. I should have been banned ages ago. I've made worse posts than Michael or Mista made for instance, definitely said worse things then NightRage, etc. etc. There's no reason for me not to be banned and nobody short of Frankie himself knows why I'm not off these forums yet.
I know plenty of people who would like to know, including myself, but eh.
Point: I am not ashamed that somebody didn't do their job and let me continue on posting as I was. That is no fault of mine that they did not act where they should have done, why should I be ashamed of it? It wasn't my job to banhammer myself, it was Frankie's.
Ehhhh. Yes and no. For her conduct itself, no. But I wouldn't call her blameless because, even though Frankie made the final call, Shelly had to accept the moderator position. I personally don't take issue with her moderating conduct (though I know that some people here do), but the fact that she wasn't really qualified to be any sort of community leader here should have crossed her mind at least once. And yes, mods are community leaders.haybails wrote:Shelly doesn't deserve the grief she gets.
Oh, and while I'm on the subject... what do I mean by "qualified," you ask? For the most part, what people have been saying all weekend. We want someone who's not only a player, but understands our game. Do I expect them to be Level 103 with Nirvana gear and a working knowledge of every mob, instance and item known to man? No. That's technical stuff. That kind of knowledge is helpful, but not strictly necessary.
But does Shelly know what the Duke Rose Fiasco of 2009 was (without Frankie feeding her the answers)? Does Shelly understand why people have been clamoring for reductions in gold prices since July of 2009 (hint: it's not just packs)? Would Shelly be able to sympathize with us if, say, we begged to have the Snowmen back for the full month of December this year (because I know I will be)?
All these and more are examples of PWI's history in just two short years. Shelly has been around... what was it? 7 months? A year? One of those two, I think. So she's not totally unversed in PWI history, but I'd say based on the time she's been here, her knowledge of the game's issues is most likely lacking.
See, I disagree with that. I think it's entirely possible to reach a consensus. How many people do we have here on the boards? A ton. Do you really think we can't find 2 of them that the mods and the userbase (for the most part) can agree on?Katzyn - Sanctuary wrote:There has to be a balance between the enforcers of the forum, and the people, and really...I, personally cannot think of too many people that would have been honestly accepted by BOTH sides.
Hell, Konari's first appointment to mod status was a shining example of that kind of collaboration. I still don't understand where he went wrong in his moderation conduct, and the fact that Frankie tried to hide him as a new mod is still blatantly insulting... but as for Konari himself, I never really got the QQ there. *shrug*[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »All these and more are examples of PWI's history in just two short years. Shelly has been around... what was it? 7 months? A year? One of those two, I think. So she's not totally unversed in PWI history, but I'd say based on the time she's been here, her knowledge of the game's issues is most likely lacking.
I've been here since 28/08/09. I registered 6 weeks after the game launch (I think) but I quit and came back. I was not her when the Duke Rose incident happened yet I know about it. Same goes for other things that you mentioned. It's not impossible to know about those, but you have to read most of the threads here if you really want to be 100% informed of things that happened before you started.
To be honest, I think the best mods would be ones that just lock/move/merge threads, ban people and answer to general, forum-related questions. The knowledge of the game is needed when talking about CMs. One or two CMs more and our mods could be real mods without needing to know anything about the game.
But that wouldn't bring the respect. Which is the reason why this forum is in chaos.
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Eh. To me that sounds more like a "Janitor" position. Which is fine, and all, but call them what they are. In most cases, mods are community members and are expected to converse and identify with their community. CMs even more so.Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »I've been here since 28/08/09. I registered 6 weeks after the game launch (I think) but I quit and came back. I was not her when the Duke Rose incident happened yet I know about it. Same goes for other things that you mentioned. It's not impossible to know about those, but you have to read most of the threads here if you really want to be 100% informed of things that happened before you started.
To be honest, I think the best mods would be ones that just lock/move/merge threads, ban people and answer to general, forum-related questions. The knowledge of the game is needed when talking about CMs. One or two CMs more and our mods could be real mods without needing to know anything about the game.
But that wouldn't bring the respect. Which is the reason why this forum is in chaos.
But I don't mean to argue over names. :P What I got out of this post was "the descriptions of the authority figures are too vague and confusing," which is 100% true. Buuuuut that goes back to the whole "lack of transparency" issue which has plagued this staff from Day One (with the notable exception of Spoons).
After everything else that's been posted here in the last week? You may as well be lightly tapping the thread with a Q-Tip as your "attack." :PKupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »I hope my post didn't sound too attacking.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »I've been here since 28/08/09. I registered 6 weeks after the game launch (I think) but I quit and came back. I was not her when the Duke Rose incident happened yet I know about it. Same goes for other things that you mentioned. It's not impossible to know about those, but you have to read most of the threads here if you really want to be 100% informed of things that happened before you started.
To be honest, I think the best mods would be ones that just lock/move/merge threads, ban people and answer to general, forum-related questions. The knowledge of the game is needed when talking about CMs. One or two CMs more and our mods could be real mods without needing to know anything about the game.
But that wouldn't bring the respect. Which is the reason why this forum is in chaos.
I hope my post didn't sound too attacking.
Nope, not too attacking at all.
There will always be a spread of people wanting mods like this or like that.
Shelly, as our best current example has maintained high levels of decorum, despite all that has been hurled her way. That is far more than can be said of much of the posting population. She is constantly learning about every single one of you, each and every time she is online and, likewise each and every time you guys post. This is an example of a staff selected mod.
It is unfortunate to use Konari as an example of the forum selected mod, I liked the guy, whether in the guise of forum poster, mod or in game player.
The majority of forum users wanted him to become a mod. Then... they turned on him. Granted, not everyone did but a lot did. Why? I could put something here but it probably won't go down well.
Wake up everyone!
Mods and GM's are not what we're supposed to be gunning for.
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »Eh. To me that sounds more like a "Janitor" position. Which is fine, and all, but call them what they are. In most cases, mods are community members and are expected to converse and identify with their community. CMs even more so.
But I don't mean to argue over names. :P What I got out of this post was "the descriptions of the authority figures are too vague and confusing," which is 100% true. Buuuuut that goes back to the whole "lack of transparency" issue which has plagued this staff from Day One (with the notable exception of Spoons).
Yeah. Frankie is (in my opinion) doing his job just fine. I have no reason to not believe his words since I have seen plenty of games with this kind of management (it's in the works, coming soon, just be patient, of highest matter etc). As long as he's not lying to us, about anything is fine.Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »After everything else that's been posted here in the last week? You may as well be lightly tapping the thread with a Q-Tip as your "attack." :P
I want to be careful with things like these. You can never know what happens next. b:chuckle100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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i have to admit friday was horrible, it was a riot. but the people who took part were not out of line. this has been due for a long time now, and ik a lot of people kno this. maybe even you if you've been even paying attention to whats been going on.
Edit: Lut get your computer fixed alrdy >_>[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Uh, now you're likely to get stoned, I'm afraid -_-Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »Yeah. Frankie is (in my opinion) doing his job just fine. I have no reason to not believe his words since I have seen plenty of games with this kind of management (it's in the works, coming soon, just be patient, of highest matter etc). As long as he's not lying to us, about anything is fine.
The problem with Frankie is that 90% of the things he says never come to be. He doesn't identify with our problems and any evidence that he cares at all is few and far between. Yet, when he does post, even if it's a "we're working on it" post, his posts are usually well received. Until this mod debacle, anyway.
And most of the threads in which we were supposed to keep informed with? They aren't stickied anymore. I'm going to have words with Frankie on that, too, if I can manage it. >_>
Frankie's not the devil, and his performance doesn't warrant the **** thrown at him on Friday (though to be fair, nothing warrants that). But to say he's doing his job fine is a stretch, at best.
Nothing justifies the events of Friday night. Nothing. I will stand by this.KuiXing - Harshlands wrote:this has been due for a long time now, and ik a lot of people kno this. maybe even you if you've been even paying attention to whats been going on.
A civil uprising, yes... that has been coming for a long time. But mob rule is useless at best, and that's basically what we had on Friday night.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Everything justifies the events of Friday night. Everything. I will stand by this.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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well people did get out of line way out of lineFail troll of harshlands0
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »Nothing justifies the events of Friday night. Nothing. I will stand by this.
A civil uprising, yes... that has been coming for a long time. But mob rule is useless at best, and that's basically what we had on Friday night.
I do see where your coming from, but all we want is for them to listen to what we have to say and not ignore our input about the game. the only reason that people are still playing this game or going on the forums, if because of the community not the management team. we've had to deal with this for almost 6 months now. and quite frankly we're sick of it and just want our voices to be heard. if this is what we have to do to get their attention, then well i guess, so be it. that's what we'll do[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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At what point did I say anyone should stop attempting to be listened to?KuiXing - Harshlands wrote: »I do see where your coming from, but all we want is for them to listen to what we have to say and not ignore our input about the game. the only reason that people are still playing this game or going on the forums, if because of the community not the management team. we've had to deal with this for almost 6 months now. and quite frankly we're sick of it and just want our voices to be heard. if this is what we have to do to get their attention, then well i guess, so be it. that's what we'll do
I am with you guys. It's important that you understand that. The causes of this are complete bull and I will be among the first to stand up for any viable solution.
I'm just saying there's no point in posting troll and **** threads for no other purpose than to **** Frankie off. That doesn't accomplish anything. Frankie knows we're pissed, even if he doesn't acknowledge it publicly. You don't need to start turning over the proverbial cars to prove it.
Be activists, not orangutans. That's the entire point of this thread.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »At what point did I say anyone should stop attempting to be listened to?
I am with you guys. It's important that you understand that. The causes of this are complete bull and I will be among the first to stand up for any viable solution.
I'm just saying there's no point in posting troll and **** threads for no other purpose than to **** Frankie off. That doesn't accomplish anything. Frankie knows we're pissed, even if he doesn't acknowledge it publicly. You don't need to start turning over the proverbial cars to prove it.
Be activists, not orangutans. That's the entire point of this thread.
i agree we are their check book but rage and riot is what got people banned.
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »At what point did I say anyone should stop attempting to be listened to?
I am with you guys. It's important that you understand that. The causes of this are complete bull and I will be among the first to stand up for any viable solution.
I'm just saying there's no point in posting troll and **** threads for no other purpose than to **** Frankie off. That doesn't accomplish anything. Frankie knows we're pissed, even if he doesn't acknowledge it publicly. You don't need to start turning over the proverbial cars to prove it.
Be activists, not orangutans. That's the entire point of this thread.
Kay no more fighting, i see your point. I do agree with what your saying, but things that are done, are done. we cant do anything about whats happened in the past.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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