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Well I hope you're all feeling ashamed of yourselves.
Miugre - Heavens Tear
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I'm not sure how "known" I am around here or if anyone noticed that this is the first thread I've made since the great QQ tsunami... but it is. Why didn't I post during it? Well, I was about 90% certain that nothing I said would be listened to. By anyone. And then over the weekend, well..... things went to hell, clearly.
I hate the decisions that frankie's made just as much as the rest of you. But I was not going to be part of the riot.
We had troll threads left and right.
We had threads analyzing everything the mods said, like pundits analyzing political debates.
We had people daring the mods to ban them.
We had people actually getting banned as part of the riot, to the point where nobody could tell who was a martyr and who was just a prankster anymore.
We had a freaking **** thread on a board clearly designed as PG. And what's worse, no warning was given for the **** image.
And finally, we had further bad decisions from the mods and frankie due to the chaos. People getting banned when other people deserved it more. Threads getting closed when worse threads were left open longer. Frankie even said to the mods not to interfere for awhile because he knew their presence was so incindiary. And so now the mods are getting blamed for double standards, on top of everything.
Well duh. You created a state of chaos. Are you proud of yourselves?
I left these boards on Friday night, in the midst of the worst of it. I come back this morning and find things calmer, but not really much better. Friday was the riot night - the internet equivalent of burning buildings, looting stores, turning over cars in the street. And now... it feels like even though the riots have passed, the place is still in ruin. The burning cars have cooled off, but they're still turned over, and some of you act like you're huddling behind them ready to chuck a molotov at the next poor guy, girl or fuzzy animal that moves out there.
It's time to chill out.
For most of us, what we feel right now is just the sting of not feeling listened to or cared about. Frankie still has yet to prove otherwise, and I'm hoping that he still will. But some of you - you know who you are - had given up that hope on Friday night. That night, for those people... it stopped being about openness and honesty. It stopped being about civil disobedience. No one made the effort to do it nicely anymore.
As several people put it, "why act nice? they aren't gonna listen to us when we're nice." Well do you think they're gonna listen to you when you're like that?? I can spend an hour making a heartfelt plea to you on some issue, but if you still disagree with me, pissing on your dog afterwards is not going to help my case. What happened on Friday is that people stopped caring about the problem, stopped caring about the cause. People wanted Frankie's head on a pike, and didn't even stop to think why. People didn't stop to give themselves a reality check... not even a moment to ask themselves "am I doing something useful here?"
Look... I know it hurts. It hurts to feel like nobody cares, and at the moment, it still feels that way. But setting fire to Frankie's tie isn't gonna do anything. By that time you've crossed over the line from activism into anarchy. And anarchy has only ever proven one thing: that anarchy doesn't work. Even more so on a forum system, which, by the way, is inherently a dictatorship in which you have no rights except those given by the good graces of the admins. I can think of several forums where there really would have been complete supression of independent thought and indescriminate bans handed out to anyone who doesn't post along the lines of "ALL HAIL ANNI PACK CLONE #2087!". People... be realistic. It's been bad, but it could be a lot worse.
Now, none of this excuses Frankie's choices over the past few months. We still need an apology. We still need an admission from Frankie that he's a human being with his own flaws and mistakes. And most of the bans are still bull. But it's time to return to civil discourse. Tone down all the cynicism and sarcasm. Think about what it is you really want, and then think of the proper way to get it. It may or may not be possible. But if you feel like it's not possible, then do us all a favor and just ragequit instead of sticking around pretending to be a hero because you can make lewd jokes about Frankie.
tl;dr:
For those of you who don't care anymore: goodbye. It's been nice knowing ya, have fun wherever you go next. For those who still care: it's time to sit back down at the table and start acting like it.
I hate the decisions that frankie's made just as much as the rest of you. But I was not going to be part of the riot.
We had troll threads left and right.
We had threads analyzing everything the mods said, like pundits analyzing political debates.
We had people daring the mods to ban them.
We had people actually getting banned as part of the riot, to the point where nobody could tell who was a martyr and who was just a prankster anymore.
We had a freaking **** thread on a board clearly designed as PG. And what's worse, no warning was given for the **** image.
And finally, we had further bad decisions from the mods and frankie due to the chaos. People getting banned when other people deserved it more. Threads getting closed when worse threads were left open longer. Frankie even said to the mods not to interfere for awhile because he knew their presence was so incindiary. And so now the mods are getting blamed for double standards, on top of everything.
Well duh. You created a state of chaos. Are you proud of yourselves?
I left these boards on Friday night, in the midst of the worst of it. I come back this morning and find things calmer, but not really much better. Friday was the riot night - the internet equivalent of burning buildings, looting stores, turning over cars in the street. And now... it feels like even though the riots have passed, the place is still in ruin. The burning cars have cooled off, but they're still turned over, and some of you act like you're huddling behind them ready to chuck a molotov at the next poor guy, girl or fuzzy animal that moves out there.
It's time to chill out.
For most of us, what we feel right now is just the sting of not feeling listened to or cared about. Frankie still has yet to prove otherwise, and I'm hoping that he still will. But some of you - you know who you are - had given up that hope on Friday night. That night, for those people... it stopped being about openness and honesty. It stopped being about civil disobedience. No one made the effort to do it nicely anymore.
As several people put it, "why act nice? they aren't gonna listen to us when we're nice." Well do you think they're gonna listen to you when you're like that?? I can spend an hour making a heartfelt plea to you on some issue, but if you still disagree with me, pissing on your dog afterwards is not going to help my case. What happened on Friday is that people stopped caring about the problem, stopped caring about the cause. People wanted Frankie's head on a pike, and didn't even stop to think why. People didn't stop to give themselves a reality check... not even a moment to ask themselves "am I doing something useful here?"
Look... I know it hurts. It hurts to feel like nobody cares, and at the moment, it still feels that way. But setting fire to Frankie's tie isn't gonna do anything. By that time you've crossed over the line from activism into anarchy. And anarchy has only ever proven one thing: that anarchy doesn't work. Even more so on a forum system, which, by the way, is inherently a dictatorship in which you have no rights except those given by the good graces of the admins. I can think of several forums where there really would have been complete supression of independent thought and indescriminate bans handed out to anyone who doesn't post along the lines of "ALL HAIL ANNI PACK CLONE #2087!". People... be realistic. It's been bad, but it could be a lot worse.
Now, none of this excuses Frankie's choices over the past few months. We still need an apology. We still need an admission from Frankie that he's a human being with his own flaws and mistakes. And most of the bans are still bull. But it's time to return to civil discourse. Tone down all the cynicism and sarcasm. Think about what it is you really want, and then think of the proper way to get it. It may or may not be possible. But if you feel like it's not possible, then do us all a favor and just ragequit instead of sticking around pretending to be a hero because you can make lewd jokes about Frankie.
tl;dr:
For those of you who don't care anymore: goodbye. It's been nice knowing ya, have fun wherever you go next. For those who still care: it's time to sit back down at the table and start acting like it.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
Other Active Characters:
LigerKing (Barb), Girasole (BM), Shamsheer (Sin), ArborSoul (Mystic).
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
Other Active Characters:
LigerKing (Barb), Girasole (BM), Shamsheer (Sin), ArborSoul (Mystic).
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I am agree with you about: "Stop QQ".
From other side of screen I saw all this chaos.
I saw like self-mods proposed himself and herself to real mods.
I saw, how mods and GMs got all responsibility about any fault in China game.
DQ price dropdown was about 20-25%, but all around cry so, that I think ... "What is wrong ?"
Half of threads had not anything inside, that player of PWI want to read.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
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we get the picture, now knock it off.0 -
I'm not ashamed of myself, now go ahead and hate me."One of the most important factors, not only in military matters but in life as a whole, is ... the ability to direct one's whole energies towards the fulfillment of a particular task." - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel
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you know... theres a huge chance this thread will get closed since it discusses the other threads getting closed and does in turn add to the large amount of closed threads.0
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Well I hope you're all feeling ashamed of yourselves.
The only thing I am ashamed about is the over-zealous moderation by a an in-experience mod.
To properly moderate you need some common sense, a knowledge of the board, a knowledge of the content that the board is supporting and how to apply consistency to your duties.
Good moderation will let a board flourish. Non-existant moderation will lead to outrageous behavior. Bad moderation will stifle a community and only make matters worse.
At first, in the "Welcome" thread, I didn't hastily judge Chaotic Shelly or ArcanumPrae, but the choice to pick Grim was different, as we had known his forum trolling and lack of participation on most of the sub-forums here but I was willing to give him a chance. Once ArcanumPrae's true identity was revealed, that was obviously a horrible decision. I won't go any further on that one. Based on ChaoticShelly's performance to date, all the negativity that was directed at her, while premature, has been proven to be mostly right.
She still needs to learn that moderating isn't something everyone can do, but it's actually an art.... a fine brush stroke here, another there... it really takes little to actually moderate a forum correctly. Currently, she's using fingerpaints and not using sound judgement, and she's also proving to be quite inconsistent. Instead of actually participating and trying to control the fervor, she's just here to push a few buttons and lock whatever she deems worthy with bad judgment. That's exactly the type of moderation that's going to make things even worse.
The only thing I am ashamed of is that a poor choice has been made to moderate, with little or no guidance given on what they actually need to do. As things are going now we're not on a road to recovery, we're on a road to further disaster.
FWIW, I've been a forum-junkie since I started downloading Usenet and Fidonet through a dial up shell account using Procomm Plus connecting to my favorite Bulletin Board site through telenet.
Hiring a child to grab a magnifying glass to burn ants under the sun is not something to be proud of.0 -
I'll admit to losing hope.
Just really didn't see how it could ever get better after this.
I still don't.On indefinite hiatus
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No poll?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Thank you Forsakenx for the picture. b:thanks0 -
Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »I'm not sure how "known" I am around here or if anyone noticed that this is the first thread I've made since the great QQ tsunami... but it is. Why didn't I post during it? Well, I was about 90% certain that nothing I said would be listened to. By anyone. And then over the weekend, well..... things went to hell, clearly.
I hate the decisions that frankie's made just as much as the rest of you. But I was not going to be part of the riot.
We had troll threads left and right.
We had threads analyzing everything the mods said, like pundits analyzing political debates.
We had people daring the mods to ban them.
We had people actually getting banned as part of the riot, to the point where nobody could tell who was a martyr and who was just a prankster anymore.
We had a freaking **** thread on a board clearly designed as PG. And what's worse, no warning was given for the **** image.
And finally, we had further bad decisions from the mods and frankie due to the chaos. People getting banned when other people deserved it more. Threads getting closed when worse threads were left open longer. Frankie even said to the mods not to interfere for awhile because he knew their presence was so incindiary. And so now the mods are getting blamed for double standards, on top of everything.
Well duh. You created a state of chaos. Are you proud of yourselves?
I left these boards on Friday night, in the midst of the worst of it. I come back this morning and find things calmer, but not really much better. Friday was the riot night - the internet equivalent of burning buildings, looting stores, turning over cars in the street. And now... it feels like even though the riots have passed, the place is still in ruin. The burning cars have cooled off, but they're still turned over, and some of you act like you're huddling behind them ready to chuck a molotov at the next poor guy, girl or fuzzy animal that moves out there.
It's time to chill out.
For most of us, what we feel right now is just the sting of not feeling listened to or cared about. Frankie still has yet to prove otherwise, and I'm hoping that he still will. But some of you - you know who you are - had given up that hope on Friday night. That night, for those people... it stopped being about openness and honesty. It stopped being about civil disobedience. No one made the effort to do it nicely anymore.
As several people put it, "why act nice? they aren't gonna listen to us when we're nice." Well do you think they're gonna listen to you when you're like that?? I can spend an hour making a heartfelt plea to you on some issue, but if you still disagree with me, pissing on your dog afterwards is not going to help my case. What happened on Friday is that people stopped caring about the problem, stopped caring about the cause. People wanted Frankie's head on a pike, and didn't even stop to think why. People didn't stop to give themselves a reality check... not even a moment to ask themselves "am I doing something useful here?"
Look... I know it hurts. It hurts to feel like nobody cares, and at the moment, it still feels that way. But setting fire to Frankie's tie isn't gonna do anything. By that time you've crossed over the line from activism into anarchy. And anarchy has only ever proven one thing: that anarchy doesn't work. Even more so on a forum system, which, by the way, is inherently a dictatorship in which you have no rights except those given by the good graces of the admins. I can think of several forums where there really would have been complete supression of independent thought and indescriminate bans handed out to anyone who doesn't post along the lines of "ALL HAIL ANNI PACK CLONE #2087!". People... be realistic. It's been bad, but it could be a lot worse.
Now, none of this excuses Frankie's choices over the past few months. We still need an apology. We still need an admission from Frankie that he's a human being with his own flaws and mistakes. And most of the bans are still bull. But it's time to return to civil discourse. Tone down all the cynicism and sarcasm. Think about what it is you really want, and then think of the proper way to get it. It may or may not be possible. But if you feel like it's not possible, then do us all a favor and just ragequit instead of sticking around pretending to be a hero because you can make lewd jokes about Frankie.
tl;dr:
For those of you who don't care anymore: goodbye. It's been nice knowing ya, have fun wherever you go next. For those who still care: it's time to sit back down at the table and start acting like it.
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Ah someone with common sense is still leftb:dirty0 -
I agree with most of this. I was attempting to explain that when you create a state of chaos, like the boards were in on Friday night, the moderator's job becomes ten times as hard. It's like connecting random bits of wire on a machine that could explode if you connect the wrong colors - their actions were exercised with an abundance of caution and the assumption that no matter what they did, they'd get their heads bitten off for it (which they basically did).nocturnalbastard wrote: »To properly moderate you need some common sense, a knowledge of the board, a knowledge of the content that the board is supporting and how to apply consistency to your duties.
Good moderation will let a board flourish. Non-existant moderation will lead to outrageous behavior. Bad moderation will stifle a community and only make matters worse.
At first, in the "Welcome" thread, I didn't hastily judge Chaotic Shelly or ArcanumPrae, but the choice to pick Grim was different, as we had known his forum trolling and lack of participation on most of the sub-forums here but I was willing to give him a chance. Once ArcanumPrae's true identity was revealed, that was obviously a horrible decision. I won't go any further on that one. Based on ChaoticShelly's performance to date, all the negativity that was directed at her, while premature, has been proven to be mostly right.
She still needs to learn that moderating isn't something everyone can do, but it's actually an art.... a fine brush stroke here, another there... it really takes little to actually moderate a forum correctly. Currently, she's using fingerpaints and not using sound judgement, and she's also proving to be quite inconsistent. Instead of actually participating and trying to control the fervor, she's just here to push a few buttons and lock whatever she deems worthy with bad judgment. That's exactly the type of moderation that's going to make things even worse.
The only thing I am ashamed of is that a poor choice has been made to moderate, with little or no guidance given on what they actually need to do. As things are going now we're not on a road to recovery, we're on a road to further disaster.
Hiring a child to grab a magnifying glass to burn ants under the sun is not something to be proud of.
It's hard to be a good moderator when your population is that unruly. Is it possible to pull them from the fire just by virtue of being inspiring and human? Maybe. But as we've already established, these mods aren't the greatest.
Been there.Teppeii - Dreamweaver wrote: »I'll admit to losing hope.
Just really didn't see how it could ever get better after this.
I still don't.
I dunno how this board will be fixed either... but I guarantee you that in two weeks (if not before) we'll be back to QQing about regular game issues. My worry is only that it'll all come with more cynicism and sarcasm all the time.
Do you see much else in this board with a poll? XDAlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »No poll?
To the first few people who posted: Wow, ok, was it the title that pissed you off? o.O Eesh, don't bite my head off. I'm not a mod. XD[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »I agree with most of this. I was attempting to explain that when you create a state of chaos, like the boards were in on Friday night, the moderator's job becomes ten times as hard. It's like connecting random bits of wire on a machine that could explode if you connect the wrong colors - their actions were exercised with an abundance of caution and the assumption that no matter what they did, they'd get their heads bitten off for it (which they basically did).
It's hard to be a good moderator when your population is that unruly. Is it possible to pull them from the fire just by virtue of being inspiring and human? Maybe. But as we've already established, these mods aren't the greatest.
Been there.
I dunno how this board will be fixed either... but I guarantee you that in two weeks (if not before) we'll be back to QQing about regular game issues. My worry is only that it'll all come with more cynicism and sarcasm all the time.
Do you see much else in this board with a poll? XD
To the first few people who posted: Wow, ok, was it the title that pissed you off? o.O Eesh, don't bite my head off. I'm not a mod. XD
Well, if enough ppl get banned and enough threads get locked... then eventually we are FORCED to stop qqing immediatly until people figure out how to ninja qq.b:shocked0 -
Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »I agree with most of this. I was attempting to explain that when you create a state of chaos, like the boards were in on Friday night, the moderator's job becomes ten times as hard. It's like connecting random bits of wire on a machine that could explode if you connect the wrong colors - their actions were exercised with an abundance of caution and the assumption that no matter what they did, they'd get their heads bitten off for it (which they basically did).
It's hard to be a good moderator when your population is that unruly. Is it possible to pull them from the fire just by virtue of being inspiring and human? Maybe. But as we've already established, these mods aren't the greatest.
I agree. When things explode like this, moderation becomes quite difficult... and until ChaoticShelly started ****-moderating, they were actually taking the right approach, however, right after the fires die down is also just as touchy of a situation... coals are still burning hot and a spark could easily re-ignite everything.
Their excuse as of right now is that they can't be on all the time so they're getting unjustified blame for that. Actually, that is justifiable. For a forum of this size and traffic, they're still highly understaffed. Having one person come in at a random time and act as ChaoticShelly has doesn't change anything. The forums are still being neglected, even more now if you consider their moderating behavior. Coupled with the status-quo of the company's actual involvement with the forum other than having a GM come in every once in a while to give hugs and pats on the back, the discontent is still there and isn't being addressed so the current ebb of activity isn't a sign of things going back to 'normal'.
I know frankie, hawk or any other CM/GM knows this, but they're swamped with too much to do and not enough time to do it all and for that I feel bad. However it's the company's neglect and willingness to let things get to this point that have really brought us here.
As I've said before, the main issue that most of us that actually post here for intelligent discussion (albiet with a fair share of trolling, as is commonplace with any forum), is that the forums ARE understaffed and ARE neglected. Having a mod come here and ninja close every thread they took a whole 5 seconds to look at doesn't mean that they're actually doing their job, only that they're going through the motions of what they think their job should be and isn't really helping to fix anything.
For the record, no, I don't want to be a moderator. But the activity of this forum has grown tremendously since the initial amount of CM/GM/MOD population, and it's been too large for them to handle some time. In all unfairness, we're really upset that the forums aren't being moderated correctly, not that we don't get to troll.
Anyways, I'm moving off track with epic digressions... You're right, I don't see things getting any better either.0 -
+1 Will you marry me?b:cute0
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »It's hard to be a good moderator when your population is that unruly.
It's hard not to act that way towards a new, incompetent moderator with her "im better than you" attitude.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Originally posted by LShattered - HeavensTear
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Yep, you're right about that. It's very hard.MsEvilness - Heavens Tear wrote: »It's hard not to act that way towards a new, incompetent moderator with her "im better than you" attitude.
But it's still gotta be done. Turning over the proverbial cars is not going to make the new mod suddenly humble. It's just going to give you a rep for driving out people that you don't like. What would a good mod think about this board? They'd be afraid of meeting your standards and be discouraged from ever trying.
Actually they were quite interesting digressions, but... I digress. XDnocturnalbastard wrote: »Anyways, I'm moving off track with epic digressions... You're right, I don't see things getting any better either.
I'm afraid you misrepresent me there, though. I don't believe things can't get better. I'm just trying to suggest the kind of change in attitude that will help.
And what do you mean by "ninja QQ?" Passive-agressive resentment at Frankie? I'm pretty sure we all have a bit of that around here. :PArliana - Dreamweaver wrote:Well, if enough ppl get banned and enough threads get locked... then eventually we are FORCED to stop qqing immediatly until people figure out how to ninja qq.
Already engaged, sorry. ;]Nenor - Dreamweaver wrote:+1 Will you marry me?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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I feel not ashamed AND if you think you can turn things with logic you're wrong.
Logic its not truth,logic its easily manipulated,very easily I should say.
Example:
Man kick a dog because dog did *something* in the wrong place
Logic - 1
Its the Dog's fault because he shouldn't have done that in that place
Logic - 2
A man should never kick a dog unless its for self defense.He should instead trying to teach the dog in a civil way.
Logic - 3
Both Dog and Man are guilty(See above)
Logic - 4
Dog its not to blame if he got bad education but....he could have been smarter hand learn faster but....the man could have teach him better but.....dog could be less playful and more aware of his owner's commands but....the man could have studied unlike trying to teach his dog in a random way but....etc etc etc
As you can see,logic is limitless and you can like any point you want,put a simple logic on it,and end it there.
So in case like this I always blame who STARTED this and ladies and gentleman who was?,Mr.Mods/GMs so don't blame the community for the riot,they deserve it since they can't even communicate with their player base and just take decisions on their own.
No matter what you think,MOST of the players here think in a different way,and no one can really known the truth,you just causing more QQ over QQ over QQIam Segreta,Queen of the Chicken Kingdom,proud owner of the legendary Blue Chicken,BEHOLD Mortals o,o^
Current # Chickens:
^,^ <- My Cleric
o,o <- My Veno
n_n <- My Bm
=,= <- My Barb *Used as Mount*
>,o <- My Sin(Stealth all the time for no reason)0 -
Honestly?
A public, stickied apology from the Mods and CM would douse the flames. Its not hard to swallow a bit of pride in an effort to calm the masses. Just takes balls.
Does frankie want to be a real man? Or a little boy? Do Shelly and that other dude who I have no idea where he came from, want to prove to the community that they deserve to be volunteer mods?
This would be the first step towards repairing the damage.
When a company alienates their consumer base, proper measures must be taken in order for the relationship to become healthy and thriving again. This company doesnt seem to understand that. You get CM's and GM's on the boards and website, throwing insults (coughKantorekcough) at their consumers, treating them like garbage, lying to them, feeding them fake promises. And they expect the community/consumer base to roll over?
This isnt China, sorry. The general population doesnt just roll over because some tyrannical system demands us to, or else.
The quicker that this company realizes that, the quicker the community will get their underwear out of their butt cracks and stop internet raging.
(OP, I do agree with you on major parts. Ive watched a lot of the action over the week/end, and I've got to say a majority of those who got banned, deserved it)
But then again, I think the CM/Mods should get punishment as well. IJS.
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So what you're saying is, we as the players are faultless in anything we do just as long as Frankie started it? I bet you were really big on the "but he started iiiiiit!" excuse when you were little, huh? o.OSegreta - Sanctuary wrote: »I feel not ashamed AND if you think you can turn things with logic you're wrong.
Logic its not truth,logic its easily manipulated,very easily I should say.
Example:
Man kick a dog because dog did *something* in the wrong place
Logic - 1
Its the Dog's fault because he shouldn't have done that in that place
Logic - 2
A man should never kick a dog unless its for self defense.He should instead trying to teach the dog in a civil way.
Logic - 3
Both Dog and Man are guilty(See above)
Logic - 4
Dog its not to blame if he got bad education but....he could have been smarter hand learn faster but....the man could have teach him better but.....dog could be less playful and more aware of his owner's commands but....the man could have studied unlike trying to teach his dog in a random way but....etc etc etc
As you can see,logic is limitless and you can like any point you want,put a simple logic on it,and end it there.
So in case like this I always blame who STARTED this and ladies and gentleman who was?,Mr.Mods/GMs so don't blame the community for the riot,they deserve it since they can't even communicate with their player base and just take decisions on their own.
If the world worked that way, we'd have riots in the streets every day for the slightest grievance. It's not a question of logic, it's a question of common sense.
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+927146247906124790690467193573078948906Honestly?
A public, stickied apology from the Mods and CM would douse the flames. Its not hard to swallow a bit of pride in an effort to calm the masses. Just takes balls.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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Yes guess what?,if they lose us,they lose money,if we lose em(a.k.a. get banned or too much pissed off),we may as well get back to our lives,and that wouldn't be a bad thing after all.
(I don't live for PWI,PWI lives thanks to his community(And cashoppers))
b:byeIam Segreta,Queen of the Chicken Kingdom,proud owner of the legendary Blue Chicken,BEHOLD Mortals o,o^
Current # Chickens:
^,^ <- My Cleric
o,o <- My Veno
n_n <- My Bm
=,= <- My Barb *Used as Mount*
>,o <- My Sin(Stealth all the time for no reason)0 -
Originally Posted by Nenor - Dreamweaver
+1 Will you marry me?
Already engaged, sorry. ;]
Story of my life b:laugh0 -
Segreta - Sanctuary wrote: »I feel not ashamed AND if you think you can turn things with logic you're wrong.
Logic its not truth,logic its easily manipulated,very easily I should say.
Example:
Man kick a dog because dog did *something* in the wrong place
Logic - 1
Its the Dog's fault because he shouldn't have done that in that place
Logic - 2
A man should never kick a dog unless its for self defense.He should instead trying to teach the dog in a civil way.
Logic - 3
Both Dog and Man are guilty(See above)
Logic - 4
Dog its not to blame if he got bad education but....he could have been smarter hand learn faster but....the man could have teach him better but.....dog could be less playful and more aware of his owner's commands but....the man could have studied unlike trying to teach his dog in a random way but....etc etc etc
As you can see,logic is limitless and you can like any point you want,put a simple logic on it,and end it there.
So in case like this I always blame who STARTED this and ladies and gentleman who was?,Mr.Mods/GMs so don't blame the community for the riot,they deserve it since they can't even communicate with their player base and just take decisions on their own.
No matter what you think,MOST of the players here think in a different way,and no one can really known the truth,you just causing more QQ over QQ over QQ
Did anyone else completely facedesk at this entire post?
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »So what you're saying is, we as the players are faultless in anything we do just as long as Frankie started it? I bet you were really big on the "but he started iiiiiit!" excuse when you were little, huh? o.O
If the world worked that way, we'd have riots in the streets every day for the slightest grievance. It's not a question of logic, it's a question of common sense.
Want some common sense?,let's talk about economy,what's so good on unsticky a thread and causing this mess?,will this will make money for the company?,will new players that see the riot here will be so interested on play this game and spending real money?,I don't think so,it would have been better to just left this thread sticky for years,won't have caused this all of sudden and probably make some banned&pissed player quit(Less revenue),or stop cashshopping(Less revenue).
Or Iam wrong?nocturnalbastard wrote: »Did anyone else completely facedesk at this entire post?
b:surrender
Do you have something else more specific to say other than a generic sentence?Iam Segreta,Queen of the Chicken Kingdom,proud owner of the legendary Blue Chicken,BEHOLD Mortals o,o^
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Segreta - Sanctuary wrote: »Do you have something else more specific to say other than a generic sentence?
1) Apparently you have no idea what the term logic really means.
2) BRBRBRBR
3) I was waiting for someone to correct your use of the term "logic" because reading your post made my head spin.
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nocturnalbastard wrote: »1) Apparently you have no idea what the term logic really means.
2) BRBRBRBR
3) I was waiting for someone to correct your use of the term "logic" because reading your post made my head spin.
b:bye
So basically you're not saying anything specific again.
Meh,I don't care anymore,I don't want fill this riot with more QQs about something not concerning the main reason that caused all this,I'll pass into *ignore mode*
b:byeIam Segreta,Queen of the Chicken Kingdom,proud owner of the legendary Blue Chicken,BEHOLD Mortals o,o^
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Great post Miugre, you make a much needed call for civility and harmony.0
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@MANray: Thanks. I've seen a few of your own posts and when I saw that you were the latest poster here I honestly wondered what your opinion on this was. :P
@Everyone: Let me say one thing in regards to what Segreta's been... erm... trying to say. Boycotts of PWI, PWE, the gold system, etc. DO NOT WORK. We, the forumers make up maybe 10% of the total PWI population. Of those with a serious grievance? 1 or 2% at most. For every person who QQs about packs, another 10 people just bought 50 of them. For a boycott to be viable you would need almost everyone on this forum to be in 100% agreement and actually stick to it. Even then it would probably fail. But every so often someone who has a problem with packs will make a thread thinking they're the next glorious revolutionary leader.
Again: be realistic. Change does not happen overnight. Activism is a slow, stress-ridden and quite often unsuccessful process. Anyone who can't handle that fact shouldn't attempt it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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@OP: Same as you, I have lurked through this mess, not really wanting to jump into it and add to the chaos. Standing back and watching everything crumble and fall apart, sad now that it has cost us the loss of Reds and Hamsta, and seeing from the posting even now that the forums are going to be far less of a helpful place to players unless the higher-ups take some action to placate those who feel righteously indignant.Honestly?
A public, stickied apology from the Mods and CM would douse the flames. Its not hard to swallow a bit of pride in an effort to calm the masses.
This, I believe, is the only way things are going to calm down now. People don't seem to want to let the issue go. I hope Frankie and the mods are reading this, because they can still work towards fixing it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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On a side note, I hope someone on LC can drop Hamsta a line when this is all over. I would totally have supported him as a mod.sad now that it has cost us the loss of Reds and Hamsta
Which is the really sad thing... we're not driving out the current staff, we're driving out the sane people who could've replaced them.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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It's unfortunate that the reasonable voices have been ignored for the most part. On the one hand I think it's good, in a way, to have a sort of riot scenario like this, if only to make the admins take a second look at what's going on here. On the other hand, the amount of idiocy it has spawned is a bit ridiculous.
It's always hard to get everyone to post their concerns in a calm way. A lot of people said they tried it; it didn't work. But I've seen way too many logical, sound voices ignored in favour of joining the free-for-all bashing. On this forum the loudest tend to be the most well known. Intelligence doesn't count for much.0 -
Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »On a side note, I hope someone on LC can drop Hamsta a line when this is all over. I would totally have supported him as a mod.
Which is the really sad thing... we're not driving out the current staff, we're driving out the sane people who could've replaced them.
Hamsta? Sane? As in MagicHamsta, the guy that thought he was a hamster and typed in broken English?
He was a fun, nice guy, but sane was not one of his qualifications.0 -
You never read his last post, did you?Hamsta? Sane? As in MagicHamsta, the guy that thought he was a hamster and typed in broken English?
He was a fun, nice guy, but sane was not one of his qualifications.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=881162&highlight=MagicHamsta&page=120
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