Wizard dmg sucks vs Psychic dmg?

HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver Posts: 574 Arc User
edited November 2010 in Wizard
I'm really depressed now because a friend of mine got a same lvl psychic and we both finally got our 79 skills. We dmg tested in a duel and i was shocked. His normal spam hits could hit me for 1k+ ( i had earthbarrier on) and my wiz couldnt do the same dmg even with undine before the gush. We both had a lvl 70 molder weapon + equal gear. We tested several attacks and the sad truth is that his non chi attacks do so much more dmg than mine. I really dont know what's wrong. I mean i could accept that psy got the better control skills but i rolled wiz to have high dmg/hit. All i can see is that psychics can hit stronger + faster than me so please tell me what's wrong with my wiz?

greetz harm0wnie
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  • Revelution - Lost City
    Revelution - Lost City Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    what are your stats and gear?

    and what are your friend's stats and gear?
  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    You have to understand psychics have a lot of their "nuking" spells extremely fast in channeling... which is why he probably used a heavier nuke than the basic DPS spells, with a higher weapon modifier, while you used Gush.

    On top of that they have black voodoo, not that much of a difference but still around 20% more damage.
  • Kai_Umi - Heavens Tear
    Kai_Umi - Heavens Tear Posts: 265 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    1- Hum, why not use glacial embrace instead of earthbarrier, since psy 79 skill is a water dmg skill

    2-And it s normal that gush deal less dmg even with undine than crystal light.
    You are trying to compare gush: Water damage equal to base magic
    damage plus 100% of weapon damage plus 1372.6.

    with crystal light : Deals base damage, plus 300% weapon damage,
    and 1905.5 Water Damage.
    The bonus from undine will not catch up with the 200% weapon dmg difference.

    The mold weapon for psy gives more dmg than magic sword if it s what you used, and maybe he/she used white voodoo when you attacked him/her


    P.S: If you compare the lower lvl skills of both class you ll notice that the dmg are even or better for the psy,
    but i ll add that a high lvl wizz will hit way harder than a psy with his most advanced skills
  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    ...
    P.S: If you compare the lower lvl skills of both class you ll notice that the dmg are even or better for the psy,
    but i ll add that a high lvl wizz will hit way harder than a psy with his most advanced skills
    According PWIwiki-Damage, Etacomb skill database, Etacomb character calculator, I calculated damage output from spells for

    Level 100

    Psychic and Wizard

    with same gear and stats (Intellect 471 for each of them, Weapon base attack 900, so Magic attack - same - 6000).


    Soulforce of psychic = 15000

    Black voodoo coefficient = 22% or 0,22

    Earth, Fire, Water mastery of Wizard coefficient = 20% or 0,2

    All skills level 10 (non - sage/devil)

    using formula
    skill damage = (base damage attack multiple*magic attack + skill weapon attack multiple * weapon attack + constant damage)*(1+coefficient of mastery)

    For example, for Gush:

    Gush damage=(1*6000+1*900+1379)*(1+0.2)=9926
    total time (cast and channel) is equal to 2.3 for Gush, so we have 3600 per second Gush damage.

    As result I got following tables:

    1) for psychic
    Spell................Damage.....Damage per second
    Aqua Impact......10092......5046
    Spirit Blast.........10910......5455
    Torrent..............14129......6422
    Landslide............12810......6405
    Aqua Cannon......12008......4003
    Sand Trap..........15252......5084
    Glacial Shards.....12780......4260
    Sandburst Blast...13440......4480
    Red Tide.............17196......5732
    Earth Vector........12640......6320
    Sandball Clash.....17295......4324
    Sum..................148552....57531
    Average.............13505.......5230
    Soulburn.............270000....30000 (if physic had been hit twice per second)

    2) for Wizard
    Spell.............................Damage ..Damage per second
    Pyrogram........................9935.......4319
    Gush...............................9926.......4963
    Stone Rain.....................11903.......3501
    Crown of Flame..............10814.......5407
    Hailstorm........................9354.......3118
    Divine Pyrogram.............14033.......4678
    Pitfall .............................11520.........5760
    Dragon's Breath..............12550.......4183
    Will of the Phoenix..........12521.......6260
    Sandstorm.....................15586.......3896
    Glacial Snare..................16296.......3790
    Black Ice Dragon Strike....24178.......4317
    Blade Tempest................16152.......2785
    Mountain's Seize.............22680.......3544
    Sum.............................197447......60522
    Average.........................14103........4323

    As soon as I used same formulas for Phychic and Wizard,
    I must say that my results are real and damage per second of psychic level 100 is 1,2 times more ...

    Edit:
    I just had seen that Psychic has
    Aqua Spirit and Earthen Spirit skills (20% more for Psychic's Earth and Water skills ) + 20% or 0.2, so really
    psychic level 100 has 1,4 times more powerful spells than Wizard.

    And if psychic use Soulburn yet ... 15000 per hit of level 100 psychic is something.

    P.S.

    I not included debuffs into calculation, like Undine strike or Soul of Retaliation.
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  • Vortexer - Lost City
    Vortexer - Lost City Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    ...

    Soulforce of psychic = 15000

    Black voodoo coefficient = 22% or 0,22

    Earth, Fire, Water mastery of Wizard coefficient = 20% or 0,2

    All skills level 10 (non - sage/devil)

    ...

    You're missing the effect of undine strike b:surrender

    Also, you're missing glacial snare. You know, the wizard's strongest non-spark skill?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    You're missing the effect of undine strike b:surrender

    Also, you're missing glacial snare. You know, the wizard's strongest non-spark skill?

    Corrected. I had not included debuffs like Undine Strike or Soul of Retaliation.

    Also Wizards have 3 elements, while psychic 2 only at their spells.

    And as I see from my table Will of the Phoenix and Gush inflict more damage per second than other spells of Wizard.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Vorhs - Lost City
    Vorhs - Lost City Posts: 521 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Psychics got more dps than wizards, but in pvp 1v1 wizards still own them i think.

    Try this:

    (seal * extreme poison) + (sutra * spark genie skill) + divine pyro + pyro + phoneix + divine pyro.

    If psy's buffs dont seal/stun you, u can say bai bai to the psy b:victory

    if you have 3.99 chi, you can also try:

    (seal * extreme poison) + (sutra * spark genie skill) + divine pyro + blade tempest
    If you happy wanna be, against the wind you won't have to pee.

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • milovan82
    milovan82 Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Psychics got more dps than wizards, but in pvp 1v1 wizards still own them i think.

    Try this:

    (seal * extreme poison) + (sutra * spark genie skill) + divine pyro + pyro + phoneix + divine pyro.

    If psy's buffs dont seal/stun you, u can say bai bai to the psy b:victory

    if you have 3.99 chi, you can also try:

    (seal * extreme poison) + (sutra * spark genie skill) + divine pyro + blade tempest


    Thats not true! All classes can win easy its just a matter how u play...and for the most part its Psy who say bye bye to wiz 85% time! Soul Burn and Soul Of Retaliation is kicking ur *** no matter what spell u use!
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    milovan82 wrote: »
    Thats not true! All classes can win easy its just a matter how u play...and for the most part its Psy who say bye bye to wiz 85% time! Soul Burn and Soul Of Retaliation is kicking ur *** no matter what spell u use!

    trolling faceless alt is trolling

    and none of those skills stop you from being 1 shoted by blade tempest
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Psychics got more dps than wizards, but in pvp 1v1 wizards still own them i think.

    Try this:

    (seal * extreme poison) + (sutra * spark genie skill) + divine pyro + pyro + phoneix + divine pyro.

    If psy's buffs dont seal/stun you, u can say bai bai to the psy b:victory

    if you have 3.99 chi, you can also try:

    (seal * extreme poison) + (sutra * spark genie skill) + divine pyro + blade tempest

    and if they domain? *sigh*
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    and if they domain? *sigh*

    then they just burnt all their geni chi and cant use it again for 3 mins AD is a last resort save my *** skill not a perfect counter

    would be far more worried about they poping white DOT to 51% stun or seal procs >black>will>vector>suicide range spell combo (just ew if the psy has demon landslide)
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • CrowPrince - Lost City
    CrowPrince - Lost City Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    trolling faceless alt is trolling

    and none of those skills stop you from being 1 shoted by blade tempest

    True Soulburn and SoR dosnt stop for being 1 shotted from blade tempest but psychic will would, since it would resist the physical damage
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    True Soulburn and SoR dosnt stop for being 1 shotted from blade tempest but psychic will would, since it would resist the physical damage

    i one shotted a psy my level with BT crit after he used psy will b:surrender
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • CrowPrince - Lost City
    CrowPrince - Lost City Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    i one shotted a psy my level with BT crit after he used psy will b:surrender

    all that proves is his squishy to magic damage. iv had duels with wizards and every time they have tried to BT me its came up a big fat resist because of psychic will.
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    then they just burnt all their geni chi and cant use it again for 3 mins AD is a last resort save my *** skill not a perfect counter

    would be far more worried about they poping white DOT to 51% stun or seal procs >black>will>vector>suicide range spell combo (just ew if the psy has demon landslide)

    ya their domain might be on cooldown, but your genie is also out of energy and you've wasted half/all your sparks on top of your only spammable control skill. Who has the advantage now?
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  • HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    1- Hum, why not use glacial embrace instead of earthbarrier, since psy 79 skill is a water dmg skill

    2-And it s normal that gush deal less dmg even with undine than crystal light.
    You are trying to compare gush: Water damage equal to base magic
    damage plus 100% of weapon damage plus 1372.6.

    with crystal light : Deals base damage, plus 300% weapon damage,
    and 1905.5 Water Damage.
    The bonus from undine will not catch up with the 200% weapon dmg difference.

    The mold weapon for psy gives more dmg than magic sword if it s what you used, and maybe he/she used white voodoo when you attacked him/her


    P.S: If you compare the lower lvl skills of both class you ll notice that the dmg are even or better for the psy,
    but i ll add that a high lvl wizz will hit way harder than a psy with his most advanced skills

    i did not compare crystal light to gush but as magicsaber explained here if you do the math you will see that psy got the advantage in Dmg/ hit + dmg/s and that kind of makes the wiz obsolete. just check the table form magicsaber and you will see the sad truth

    btw i would not take undine into account since you cant spam it due to the 600 mana
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited September 2010

    btw i would not take undine into account since you cant spam it due to the 600 mana

    mana is ridiculously cheap, and is not a reason to not include it. However, it does take 1.5 secs to use it.. which affects our dps ( you could almost get another skill off in that time). Makes the math a little more complicated, but should at least be mentioned in the psy vs. wiz debate. I am a firm QQ'er about how mages have no role at end game (aside from TW that nobody cares about anymore).. so Id love for someone to show me why I spent the last year and a half building this useless character, when we are the least wanted classes in pve and still have no chance vs a good sin in pvp.
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  • Teppeii - Dreamweaver
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,206 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    At the risk of oversimplifying the argument; Psy = DPS, Wiz = DPH.

    Psychics have impressive channeling time with their skills, but imo, Psy < Wizard w/sutra.

    Sure sutra is just a finate effect, but when you're nuking eachother how long do 1 on 1 fights last anyhow?
    On indefinite hiatus :3
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    i did not compare crystal light to gush but as magicsaber explained here if you do the math you will see that psy got the advantage in Dmg/ hit + dmg/s and that kind of makes the wiz obsolete. just check the table form magicsaber and you will see the sad truth

    btw i would not take undine into account since you cant spam it due to the 600 mana

    b:byejust roll psychic and leave us the hell alone

    and @that psy guy
    b:surrenderI one shot arcanes with magic easily.
    crits hurt...
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • kknboy
    kknboy Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Soul burn does hurt but it has a long cast time (fow, sleep, distance shrink when they cast it), and soul of retaliation isn't much a threat... just trigger it with pyrogram or something. I have both a psychic and wiz and i like both of them. Being smart about the skills and having good timing helps a lot. I find using sutra, or throwing an ultimate to end the fight fast much easier to beat a psy. I may not triple spark psy's with genies that carry absolute domain and tend to use blade tempest or sutra instead to make sure i have two sparks left incase something terrible goes wrong xD. You can always sutra-> -insert spells and blade tempest too and use up all your sparks at once. Its hard to domain a ultimate that has been sutra... unless they really are psychic and can foretell the future O_o
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    kknboy wrote: »
    Soul burn does hurt but it has a long cast time (fow, sleep, distance shrink when they cast it), and soul of retaliation isn't much a threat... just trigger it with pyrogram or something. I have both a psychic and wiz and i like both of them. Being smart about the skills and having good timing helps a lot. I find using sutra, or throwing an ultimate to end the fight fast much easier to beat a psy. I may not triple spark psy's with genies that carry absolute domain and tend to use blade tempest or sutra instead to make sure i have two sparks left incase something terrible goes wrong xD. You can always sutra-> -insert spells and blade tempest too and use up all your sparks at once. Its hard to domain a ultimate that has been sutra... unless they really are psychic and can foretell the future O_o

    b:byethis guy

    explained my point pretty much, only i wanted people to get creative and figure out on their own...

    and i trigger SoR with undine strike XP
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • volst
    volst Posts: 180
    edited September 2010
    Maybe you all should tell your psy friends to use tide spirit? b:quiet
  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    ya their domain might be on cooldown, but your genie is also out of energy and you've wasted half/all your sparks on top of your only spammable control skill. Who has the advantage now?

    Why I don't really use my genie for attack-boosting. If I have no sparks, I MUST have genie available or I'm one dead wizzie.
    kknboy wrote: »
    Its hard to domain a ultimate that has been sutra... unless they really are psychic and can foretell the future O_o

    They can do THAT too?!?!?! Those @#$%$ fish are too op.

    I've pretty much stopped fighting psychics on my server. 1 time outta 10 I one shot them, 1 time outta ten they get me with stuns, and 8 times outta 10 its charm **** till some archer or sin comes along and sees two robes otherwise occupied.
    I am a firm QQ'er about how mages have no role at end game (aside from TW that nobody cares about anymore).. so Id love for someone to show me why I spent the last year and a half building this useless character, when we are the least wanted classes in pve and still have no chance vs a good sin in pvp.

    ^This. I never wanted to pvp, only TW. They ruined TW so I have no choice now but to pk for fun. At least your on a pve server. PK on a pve server involves alot of standing around. . . .
    "And as for bragging, I don't need to brag. I am famous, yo. My accomplishments are legendary. I am BLOODMYSTIC, speaker of truth, bane of the Barbarians of Impulse, slayer of the **** of Narla, liberator of all the free peoples of the Archosaur server, former master propagandist for our leader in freedom, Proski, and Archtroll of the PWI Forums. And now? Amiable pve wizard, beloved by all, aka BLUEMYSTIC. Pleased to make your acquaintance."
  • CrowPrince - Lost City
    CrowPrince - Lost City Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    b:byejust roll psychic and leave us the hell alone

    and @that psy guy
    b:surrenderI one shot arcanes with magic easily.
    crits hurt...

    never said you couldnt 1 shot a psychic all i stated with BT physical damage can be resist by psy will. and of course crits hurt, because of a crit i 3 shotted a 9x wiz the other night
  • HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    At the risk of oversimplifying the argument; Psy = DPS, Wiz = DPH.

    Psychics have impressive channeling time with their skills, but imo, Psy < Wizard w/sutra.

    Sure sutra is just a finate effect, but when you're nuking eachother how long do 1 on 1 fights last anyhow?

    the question is not how long 1v1s last the question is how can the wiz successfully deal dmg to the psychic to win the 1v1. As a wiz your reliable chances to seal / sleep someone are limited to 2 skills but if you stay realistic its only 1 skill because sophoric whisper got 2 min cooldown. Of course there mountain seize also has a stun effect but 5s of channeling wont give you first stun unless you do it in a sutra combo and if you fo so you have burned all your chi.

    just roll psychic and leave us the hell alone

    and @that psy guy
    I one shot arcanes with magic easily.
    crits hurt...
    i like my wiz and i'll go on playing it but it is sad to see that some of the higher players here seem to fit quite perfect in the male wiz char description -.-

    btw that you can one shot other arcanes with a crit proves nothing. I dont know how high your crit rate is but with a pure build i got 5% crit rate by now ( 2% each from rings)
    even with 20% crit rate it still will be a gamble to rely on crits and you still could not prove me wrong that same lvl psy doesnt do more dmg than wiz

    @kknboy i dont know why you call 2,5 s " a long cast" for soulburn most of the wiz stronger spells SS or glacial snare got higher channeling. Of course its able to interrupt it with FoW but remember after that the skill got cooldown
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    never said you couldnt 1 shot a psychic all i stated with BT physical damage can be resist by psy will. and of course crits hurt, because of a crit i 3 shotted a 9x wiz the other night
    no charm is no charmb:bye
    and stupid wizzies dont count
    OMGZ I GOT 3.3K HP UNBUFFED I R PRO..

    anything can 3 shot them
    the question is not how long 1v1s last the question is how can the wiz successfully deal dmg to the psychic to win the 1v1. As a wiz your reliable chances to seal / sleep someone are limited to 2 skills but if you stay realistic its only 1 skill because sophoric whisper got 2 min cooldown. Of course there mountain seize also has a stun effect but 5s of channeling wont give you first stun unless you do it in a sutra combo and if you fo so you have burned all your chi.



    i like my wiz and i'll go on playing it but it is sad to see that some of the higher players here seem to fit quite perfect in the male wiz char description -.-

    btw that you can one shot other arcanes with a crit proves nothing. I dont know how high your crit rate is but with a pure build i got 5% crit rate by now ( 2% each from rings)
    even with 20% crit rate it still will be a gamble to rely on crits and you still could not prove me wrong that same lvl psy doesnt do more dmg than wiz

    @kknboy i dont know why you call 2,5 s " a long cast" for soulburn most of the wiz stronger spells SS or glacial snare got higher channeling. Of course its able to interrupt it with FoW but remember after that the skill got cooldown

    I have 10% crit rate with all gear(dont even have a lunar ring and not really planning on it anymore X:)
    and the gamble on a BIDS crit is worth it, moreso sage version.

    if you get -chan, mountain seize is pretty reliable. I know people who can get a seize off in the time of FoW.
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Teppeii - Dreamweaver
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,206 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    if you get -chan, mountain seize is pretty reliable. I know people who can get a seize off in the time of FoW.

    The perks of ~60% less channeling.b:sad
    On indefinite hiatus :3
  • Jonnykins - Dreamweaver
    Jonnykins - Dreamweaver Posts: 359 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Quickly read this.

    As far as I'm aware Psy's tip it in a 1v1

    But by far in a TW a Wizard > Psy

    Look at the 59 skillsb:surrender
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    The perks of ~60% less channeling.b:sad

    orrrr
    you can get 30% chan and settle for the time of whisper @.@b:shutup
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    b:byejust roll psychic and leave us the hell alone
    Oh come on that's your only argument... people complain of balance because they either want balance in the game (not to win...) or because they care about their class. For many (non-childish) people the point in a game is not to pwn others with whatever means, you know.

    One good thing we got against a psychic, distance shrink. If you got out of genies and tricks and chi, which you WILL as a mage (cause we tend to suck, not sure about psychics but they seem to be susceptible to same problem too) you can just run away from them until at least some of your cooldowns recover. Or whatever.
    mana is ridiculously cheap, and is not a reason to not include it. However, it does take 1.5 secs to use it.. which affects our dps ( you could almost get another skill off in that time). Makes the math a little more complicated, but should at least be mentioned in the psy vs. wiz debate. I am a firm QQ'er about how mages have no role at end game (aside from TW that nobody cares about anymore).. so Id love for someone to show me why I spent the last year and a half building this useless character, when we are the least wanted classes in pve and still have no chance vs a good sin in pvp.
    oO I remember disagreed with you back in the day but now you just told exactly my thoughts (and haven't changed much tbh). :o
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