Wizard dmg sucks vs Psychic dmg?
HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
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I'm really depressed now because a friend of mine got a same lvl psychic and we both finally got our 79 skills. We dmg tested in a duel and i was shocked. His normal spam hits could hit me for 1k+ ( i had earthbarrier on) and my wiz couldnt do the same dmg even with undine before the gush. We both had a lvl 70 molder weapon + equal gear. We tested several attacks and the sad truth is that his non chi attacks do so much more dmg than mine. I really dont know what's wrong. I mean i could accept that psy got the better control skills but i rolled wiz to have high dmg/hit. All i can see is that psychics can hit stronger + faster than me so please tell me what's wrong with my wiz?
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what are your stats and gear?
and what are your friend's stats and gear?0 -
You have to understand psychics have a lot of their "nuking" spells extremely fast in channeling... which is why he probably used a heavier nuke than the basic DPS spells, with a higher weapon modifier, while you used Gush.
On top of that they have black voodoo, not that much of a difference but still around 20% more damage.0 -
1- Hum, why not use glacial embrace instead of earthbarrier, since psy 79 skill is a water dmg skill
2-And it s normal that gush deal less dmg even with undine than crystal light.
You are trying to compare gush: Water damage equal to base magic
damage plus 100% of weapon damage plus 1372.6.
with crystal light : Deals base damage, plus 300% weapon damage,
and 1905.5 Water Damage.
The bonus from undine will not catch up with the 200% weapon dmg difference.
The mold weapon for psy gives more dmg than magic sword if it s what you used, and maybe he/she used white voodoo when you attacked him/her
P.S: If you compare the lower lvl skills of both class you ll notice that the dmg are even or better for the psy,
but i ll add that a high lvl wizz will hit way harder than a psy with his most advanced skills0 -
Kai_Umi - Heavens Tear wrote: »...
P.S: If you compare the lower lvl skills of both class you ll notice that the dmg are even or better for the psy,
but i ll add that a high lvl wizz will hit way harder than a psy with his most advanced skills
Level 100
Psychic and Wizard
with same gear and stats (Intellect 471 for each of them, Weapon base attack 900, so Magic attack - same - 6000).
Soulforce of psychic = 15000
Black voodoo coefficient = 22% or 0,22
Earth, Fire, Water mastery of Wizard coefficient = 20% or 0,2
All skills level 10 (non - sage/devil)
using formula
skill damage = (base damage attack multiple*magic attack + skill weapon attack multiple * weapon attack + constant damage)*(1+coefficient of mastery)
For example, for Gush:
Gush damage=(1*6000+1*900+1379)*(1+0.2)=9926
total time (cast and channel) is equal to 2.3 for Gush, so we have 3600 per second Gush damage.
As result I got following tables:
1) for psychic
Spell................Damage.....Damage per second
Aqua Impact......10092......5046
Spirit Blast.........10910......5455
Torrent..............14129......6422
Landslide............12810......6405
Aqua Cannon......12008......4003
Sand Trap..........15252......5084
Glacial Shards.....12780......4260
Sandburst Blast...13440......4480
Red Tide.............17196......5732
Earth Vector........12640......6320
Sandball Clash.....17295......4324
Sum..................148552....57531
Average.............13505.......5230
Soulburn.............270000....30000 (if physic had been hit twice per second)
2) for Wizard
Spell.............................Damage ..Damage per second
Pyrogram........................9935.......4319
Gush...............................9926.......4963
Stone Rain.....................11903.......3501
Crown of Flame..............10814.......5407
Hailstorm........................9354.......3118
Divine Pyrogram.............14033.......4678
Pitfall .............................11520.........5760
Dragon's Breath..............12550.......4183
Will of the Phoenix..........12521.......6260
Sandstorm.....................15586.......3896
Glacial Snare..................16296.......3790
Black Ice Dragon Strike....24178.......4317
Blade Tempest................16152.......2785
Mountain's Seize.............22680.......3544
Sum.............................197447......60522
Average.........................14103........4323
As soon as I used same formulas for Phychic and Wizard,
I must say that my results are real and damage per second of psychic level 100 is 1,2 times more ...
Edit:
I just had seen that Psychic has
Aqua Spirit and Earthen Spirit skills (20% more for Psychic's Earth and Water skills ) + 20% or 0.2, so really
psychic level 100 has 1,4 times more powerful spells than Wizard.
And if psychic use Soulburn yet ... 15000 per hit of level 100 psychic is something.
P.S.
I not included debuffs into calculation, like Undine strike or Soul of Retaliation.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »...
Soulforce of psychic = 15000
Black voodoo coefficient = 22% or 0,22
Earth, Fire, Water mastery of Wizard coefficient = 20% or 0,2
All skills level 10 (non - sage/devil)
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You're missing the effect of undine strike b:surrender
Also, you're missing glacial snare. You know, the wizard's strongest non-spark skill?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Vortexer - Lost City wrote: »You're missing the effect of undine strike b:surrender
Also, you're missing glacial snare. You know, the wizard's strongest non-spark skill?
Corrected. I had not included debuffs like Undine Strike or Soul of Retaliation.
Also Wizards have 3 elements, while psychic 2 only at their spells.
And as I see from my table Will of the Phoenix and Gush inflict more damage per second than other spells of Wizard.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Psychics got more dps than wizards, but in pvp 1v1 wizards still own them i think.
Try this:
(seal * extreme poison) + (sutra * spark genie skill) + divine pyro + pyro + phoneix + divine pyro.
If psy's buffs dont seal/stun you, u can say bai bai to the psy b:victory
if you have 3.99 chi, you can also try:
(seal * extreme poison) + (sutra * spark genie skill) + divine pyro + blade tempestIf you happy wanna be, against the wind you won't have to pee.
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Vorhs - Lost City wrote: »Psychics got more dps than wizards, but in pvp 1v1 wizards still own them i think.
Try this:
(seal * extreme poison) + (sutra * spark genie skill) + divine pyro + pyro + phoneix + divine pyro.
If psy's buffs dont seal/stun you, u can say bai bai to the psy b:victory
if you have 3.99 chi, you can also try:
(seal * extreme poison) + (sutra * spark genie skill) + divine pyro + blade tempest
Thats not true! All classes can win easy its just a matter how u play...and for the most part its Psy who say bye bye to wiz 85% time! Soul Burn and Soul Of Retaliation is kicking ur *** no matter what spell u use!0 -
Thats not true! All classes can win easy its just a matter how u play...and for the most part its Psy who say bye bye to wiz 85% time! Soul Burn and Soul Of Retaliation is kicking ur *** no matter what spell u use!
trolling faceless alt is trolling
and none of those skills stop you from being 1 shoted by blade tempestGifs are hard to make work here0 -
Vorhs - Lost City wrote: »Psychics got more dps than wizards, but in pvp 1v1 wizards still own them i think.
Try this:
(seal * extreme poison) + (sutra * spark genie skill) + divine pyro + pyro + phoneix + divine pyro.
If psy's buffs dont seal/stun you, u can say bai bai to the psy b:victory
if you have 3.99 chi, you can also try:
(seal * extreme poison) + (sutra * spark genie skill) + divine pyro + blade tempest
and if they domain? *sigh*Youtube Channel: youtube.com/user/D2VeT/videos?flow=grid&view=0
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Adroit - Lost City wrote: »and if they domain? *sigh*
then they just burnt all their geni chi and cant use it again for 3 mins AD is a last resort save my *** skill not a perfect counter
would be far more worried about they poping white DOT to 51% stun or seal procs >black>will>vector>suicide range spell combo (just ew if the psy has demon landslide)Gifs are hard to make work here0 -
Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »trolling faceless alt is trolling
and none of those skills stop you from being 1 shoted by blade tempest
True Soulburn and SoR dosnt stop for being 1 shotted from blade tempest but psychic will would, since it would resist the physical damage0 -
CrowPrince - Lost City wrote: »True Soulburn and SoR dosnt stop for being 1 shotted from blade tempest but psychic will would, since it would resist the physical damage
i one shotted a psy my level with BT crit after he used psy will b:surrenderSins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »i one shotted a psy my level with BT crit after he used psy will b:surrender
all that proves is his squishy to magic damage. iv had duels with wizards and every time they have tried to BT me its came up a big fat resist because of psychic will.0 -
Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »then they just burnt all their geni chi and cant use it again for 3 mins AD is a last resort save my *** skill not a perfect counter
would be far more worried about they poping white DOT to 51% stun or seal procs >black>will>vector>suicide range spell combo (just ew if the psy has demon landslide)
ya their domain might be on cooldown, but your genie is also out of energy and you've wasted half/all your sparks on top of your only spammable control skill. Who has the advantage now?Youtube Channel: youtube.com/user/D2VeT/videos?flow=grid&view=0
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Kai_Umi - Heavens Tear wrote: »1- Hum, why not use glacial embrace instead of earthbarrier, since psy 79 skill is a water dmg skill
2-And it s normal that gush deal less dmg even with undine than crystal light.
You are trying to compare gush: Water damage equal to base magic
damage plus 100% of weapon damage plus 1372.6.
with crystal light : Deals base damage, plus 300% weapon damage,
and 1905.5 Water Damage.
The bonus from undine will not catch up with the 200% weapon dmg difference.
The mold weapon for psy gives more dmg than magic sword if it s what you used, and maybe he/she used white voodoo when you attacked him/her
P.S: If you compare the lower lvl skills of both class you ll notice that the dmg are even or better for the psy,
but i ll add that a high lvl wizz will hit way harder than a psy with his most advanced skills
i did not compare crystal light to gush but as magicsaber explained here if you do the math you will see that psy got the advantage in Dmg/ hit + dmg/s and that kind of makes the wiz obsolete. just check the table form magicsaber and you will see the sad truth
btw i would not take undine into account since you cant spam it due to the 600 mana0 -
HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote:
btw i would not take undine into account since you cant spam it due to the 600 mana
mana is ridiculously cheap, and is not a reason to not include it. However, it does take 1.5 secs to use it.. which affects our dps ( you could almost get another skill off in that time). Makes the math a little more complicated, but should at least be mentioned in the psy vs. wiz debate. I am a firm QQ'er about how mages have no role at end game (aside from TW that nobody cares about anymore).. so Id love for someone to show me why I spent the last year and a half building this useless character, when we are the least wanted classes in pve and still have no chance vs a good sin in pvp.Youtube Channel: youtube.com/user/D2VeT/videos?flow=grid&view=0
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At the risk of oversimplifying the argument; Psy = DPS, Wiz = DPH.
Psychics have impressive channeling time with their skills, but imo, Psy < Wizard w/sutra.
Sure sutra is just a finate effect, but when you're nuking eachother how long do 1 on 1 fights last anyhow?On indefinite hiatus0 -
HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »i did not compare crystal light to gush but as magicsaber explained here if you do the math you will see that psy got the advantage in Dmg/ hit + dmg/s and that kind of makes the wiz obsolete. just check the table form magicsaber and you will see the sad truth
btw i would not take undine into account since you cant spam it due to the 600 mana
b:byejust roll psychic and leave us the hell alone
and @that psy guy
b:surrenderI one shot arcanes with magic easily.
crits hurt...Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Soul burn does hurt but it has a long cast time (fow, sleep, distance shrink when they cast it), and soul of retaliation isn't much a threat... just trigger it with pyrogram or something. I have both a psychic and wiz and i like both of them. Being smart about the skills and having good timing helps a lot. I find using sutra, or throwing an ultimate to end the fight fast much easier to beat a psy. I may not triple spark psy's with genies that carry absolute domain and tend to use blade tempest or sutra instead to make sure i have two sparks left incase something terrible goes wrong xD. You can always sutra-> -insert spells and blade tempest too and use up all your sparks at once. Its hard to domain a ultimate that has been sutra... unless they really are psychic and can foretell the future O_o0
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Soul burn does hurt but it has a long cast time (fow, sleep, distance shrink when they cast it), and soul of retaliation isn't much a threat... just trigger it with pyrogram or something. I have both a psychic and wiz and i like both of them. Being smart about the skills and having good timing helps a lot. I find using sutra, or throwing an ultimate to end the fight fast much easier to beat a psy. I may not triple spark psy's with genies that carry absolute domain and tend to use blade tempest or sutra instead to make sure i have two sparks left incase something terrible goes wrong xD. You can always sutra-> -insert spells and blade tempest too and use up all your sparks at once. Its hard to domain a ultimate that has been sutra... unless they really are psychic and can foretell the future O_o
b:byethis guy
explained my point pretty much, only i wanted people to get creative and figure out on their own...
and i trigger SoR with undine strike XPSins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Maybe you all should tell your psy friends to use tide spirit? b:quiet0
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Adroit - Lost City wrote: »ya their domain might be on cooldown, but your genie is also out of energy and you've wasted half/all your sparks on top of your only spammable control skill. Who has the advantage now?
Why I don't really use my genie for attack-boosting. If I have no sparks, I MUST have genie available or I'm one dead wizzie.Its hard to domain a ultimate that has been sutra... unless they really are psychic and can foretell the future O_o
They can do THAT too?!?!?! Those @#$%$ fish are too op.
I've pretty much stopped fighting psychics on my server. 1 time outta 10 I one shot them, 1 time outta ten they get me with stuns, and 8 times outta 10 its charm **** till some archer or sin comes along and sees two robes otherwise occupied.Adroit - Lost City wrote: »I am a firm QQ'er about how mages have no role at end game (aside from TW that nobody cares about anymore).. so Id love for someone to show me why I spent the last year and a half building this useless character, when we are the least wanted classes in pve and still have no chance vs a good sin in pvp.
^This. I never wanted to pvp, only TW. They ruined TW so I have no choice now but to pk for fun. At least your on a pve server. PK on a pve server involves alot of standing around. . . ."And as for bragging, I don't need to brag. I am famous, yo. My accomplishments are legendary. I am BLOODMYSTIC, speaker of truth, bane of the Barbarians of Impulse, slayer of the **** of Narla, liberator of all the free peoples of the Archosaur server, former master propagandist for our leader in freedom, Proski, and Archtroll of the PWI Forums. And now? Amiable pve wizard, beloved by all, aka BLUEMYSTIC. Pleased to make your acquaintance."0 -
Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »b:byejust roll psychic and leave us the hell alone
and @that psy guy
b:surrenderI one shot arcanes with magic easily.
crits hurt...
never said you couldnt 1 shot a psychic all i stated with BT physical damage can be resist by psy will. and of course crits hurt, because of a crit i 3 shotted a 9x wiz the other night0 -
Teppeii - Dreamweaver wrote: »At the risk of oversimplifying the argument; Psy = DPS, Wiz = DPH.
Psychics have impressive channeling time with their skills, but imo, Psy < Wizard w/sutra.
Sure sutra is just a finate effect, but when you're nuking eachother how long do 1 on 1 fights last anyhow?
the question is not how long 1v1s last the question is how can the wiz successfully deal dmg to the psychic to win the 1v1. As a wiz your reliable chances to seal / sleep someone are limited to 2 skills but if you stay realistic its only 1 skill because sophoric whisper got 2 min cooldown. Of course there mountain seize also has a stun effect but 5s of channeling wont give you first stun unless you do it in a sutra combo and if you fo so you have burned all your chi.just roll psychic and leave us the hell alone
and @that psy guy
I one shot arcanes with magic easily.
crits hurt...
btw that you can one shot other arcanes with a crit proves nothing. I dont know how high your crit rate is but with a pure build i got 5% crit rate by now ( 2% each from rings)
even with 20% crit rate it still will be a gamble to rely on crits and you still could not prove me wrong that same lvl psy doesnt do more dmg than wiz
@kknboy i dont know why you call 2,5 s " a long cast" for soulburn most of the wiz stronger spells SS or glacial snare got higher channeling. Of course its able to interrupt it with FoW but remember after that the skill got cooldown0 -
CrowPrince - Lost City wrote: »never said you couldnt 1 shot a psychic all i stated with BT physical damage can be resist by psy will. and of course crits hurt, because of a crit i 3 shotted a 9x wiz the other night
and stupid wizzies dont count
OMGZ I GOT 3.3K HP UNBUFFED I R PRO..
anything can 3 shot themHarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »the question is not how long 1v1s last the question is how can the wiz successfully deal dmg to the psychic to win the 1v1. As a wiz your reliable chances to seal / sleep someone are limited to 2 skills but if you stay realistic its only 1 skill because sophoric whisper got 2 min cooldown. Of course there mountain seize also has a stun effect but 5s of channeling wont give you first stun unless you do it in a sutra combo and if you fo so you have burned all your chi.
i like my wiz and i'll go on playing it but it is sad to see that some of the higher players here seem to fit quite perfect in the male wiz char description -.-
btw that you can one shot other arcanes with a crit proves nothing. I dont know how high your crit rate is but with a pure build i got 5% crit rate by now ( 2% each from rings)
even with 20% crit rate it still will be a gamble to rely on crits and you still could not prove me wrong that same lvl psy doesnt do more dmg than wiz
@kknboy i dont know why you call 2,5 s " a long cast" for soulburn most of the wiz stronger spells SS or glacial snare got higher channeling. Of course its able to interrupt it with FoW but remember after that the skill got cooldown
I have 10% crit rate with all gear(dont even have a lunar ring and not really planning on it anymore X:)
and the gamble on a BIDS crit is worth it, moreso sage version.
if you get -chan, mountain seize is pretty reliable. I know people who can get a seize off in the time of FoW.Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »if you get -chan, mountain seize is pretty reliable. I know people who can get a seize off in the time of FoW.
The perks of ~60% less channeling.b:sadOn indefinite hiatus0 -
Quickly read this.
As far as I'm aware Psy's tip it in a 1v1
But by far in a TW a Wizard > Psy
Look at the 59 skillsb:surrender0 -
Teppeii - Dreamweaver wrote: »The perks of ~60% less channeling.b:sad
orrrr
you can get 30% chan and settle for the time of whisper @.@b:shutupSins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »b:byejust roll psychic and leave us the hell alone
One good thing we got against a psychic, distance shrink. If you got out of genies and tricks and chi, which you WILL as a mage (cause we tend to suck, not sure about psychics but they seem to be susceptible to same problem too) you can just run away from them until at least some of your cooldowns recover. Or whatever.Adroit - Lost City wrote: »mana is ridiculously cheap, and is not a reason to not include it. However, it does take 1.5 secs to use it.. which affects our dps ( you could almost get another skill off in that time). Makes the math a little more complicated, but should at least be mentioned in the psy vs. wiz debate. I am a firm QQ'er about how mages have no role at end game (aside from TW that nobody cares about anymore).. so Id love for someone to show me why I spent the last year and a half building this useless character, when we are the least wanted classes in pve and still have no chance vs a good sin in pvp.0
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