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Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Base magic attack > weapon modifier from spells endgame. Plays a larger factor. That is why slow spells suck in DPS, because their base magic attack is the same, yet they take longer to deal that "base magic attack" damage.

-channeling helps a lot because you tend to cast more spells in a certain period (not just pyro/gush have base magic attack, a lot of other fast spells like phoenix (which is sadly not spammable) as well).


EDIT: Let me clarify a bit. Talking only about weapon damage (ignoring constant damage). Without taking the base magic attack into account, sandstorm would do 3 times as much damage as gush, which is total nonsense.

Instead, as far as weapon damage is concerned (and with above scenario with 500 mag), it's a 900% weapon damage vs 700% weapon damage, hardly that much of a difference, only 28% more weapon damage...

Oh, yes! I have always paid attention to this issue, but I know some mages ignore it.

If you are a wizard with DPS problems, you might not be using the right spells.

Personally, I will use pitfall and crown of flame in my gush/pyro rotation so that I can keep my macro going without resorting to a slow spell. They have lower dps than gush or pyro but they have higher dps than most of my other spells. (Will of the Phoenix is nice, also, but it has a horridly long cooldown so I have to be careful with it when I use a macro on a boss.)

My dps on a boss is not anything like a 5aps character's but it's not entirely insignificant either... (I average about 200k damage per minute on a boss, and that will improve if I get a lunar weapon.)

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

/facepalm

Even though the conclusion is correct that more -channeling (obviously) grants more DPS.

Why do people always ignore base magic attack which is the highest weapon modifier in every spell you cast. Simply, it's a 100% weapon damage plus as much weapon damage as magic stat you have. Example, for 500 magic, you would have 500% weapon damage plus 100% for a total of 600% for base magic attack.

Oh right that totally slipped off my mind my bad b:surrender
Well result may be the same, just to make it right though..

Zaelmith - Sanctuary wrote: »

with -24 channeling:

pyrogram: 1.14 channel; 0.8 cast; 100% + 1379.6 damage + bma; dps: 51.5% + 711.1 + bma/1.94
gush: 0.76 channel; 1.0 cast; 100% + 1372.6 damage + bma; dps: 56.8% + 779.5 + bma/1.76

for spaming gush pyro dps would be: 54.15% + 745.3 + 0.54*bma


with -50 channeling:

pyrogram: 0.75 channel; 0.8 cast; 100% + 1379.6 damage + bma; dps: 64.5% + 890 + bma/1.55
gush: 0.5 channel; 1.0 cast; 100% + 1372.6 damage + bma; dps: 66.6% + 915 + bma/1.5
sandstorm:1.25 channel; 1.5 cast; 300% + 4288.4 damage + bma; dps: 109% + 1559.4 + bma/1.75
dpyro: 1.5 channel; 1.0 cast; 300% + 2994.7 damage + bma; dps: 120% + 1197.8 + bma/2.5

for spaming above skill consecutively dps would be: 90% + 1140.5 + 0.57*bma

Hope i made the math right just woke up and still a little sleepy.
This means channeling Really has a great effect, if it makes the dps of base magic attack of slow spells about the same as the dps of base magic attack of fast spells without too much channeling.

let me help you out a little cause i have no idea what your numbers actually = in DPS(damage per second)
ill use this guy as a base http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=9e44641c4e65b280

and ill use all sage skills in calcs

24% pyro gush

pyro 100%weapon damage+base magic damage+3620=1538+10180+3620=15338
total channel and casting time is=1.94
dps for this skill@-24% is 7906.18
gush 100%weapon damage+base magic damage+3390=1538+10180+3390=15108
total channel and casting time is=1.76
dps for this skill@-24% is 8584.09
combined damage is 30446 combined time is 3.7
30446/3.7=8228.648dps@-24%

50%channel

pyro & gush same as before for damage=30446
total cast and channel time=3.05
total dps for this skill @-50% is 9982.29
sandstorm=300% weapon damage+base magic damage+6560=4614+10180+6560=21345
total cast and channel=3.75
total dps for this skill@-50% is 5692
DP=300% weapon damage+base magic damage+4903=4614+10180+4903=19697
total cast and channel=2.5
total dps for this skill@-50% is 7878.8
total damage=30446+21345+19697=71488
total cast and channel=9.3
71488/9.3=7686.88 total dps ...lol what?

oh 50% channel dont give more dps using long cast skills didnt someone say that b4?
thats math

funnny none of the long cast skillsat -50% out dps pyro at -24% doesnt look right but math is math.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Potamic/PerfectWorld/?action=view&current=2009-11-0821-26-20.jpg

Almost a year ago, so add in a jones blessing for +30 attack level, along with a rank 8 +10 and you'll have your 500k+.

Haiz - Lost City wrote: »

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v294/Potamic/PerfectWorld/?action=view&current=2009-11-0821-26-20.jpg

Almost a year ago, so add in a jones blessing for +30 attack level, along with a rank 8 +10 and you'll have your 500k+.

b:shocked
*faints

Well like i said earlier SS and DP are just 2 random skills I used. I admit they aren't the best choice for DPS but that just proves it all the better. Here's where the creative part kicks in founding out what skills make the best DPS you have depending on how much channeling you have. It's fun in a way I guess..

Zaelmith - Sanctuary wrote: »

psychics have higher dps than wizards..

Only slightly due to black voodoo for the most part. Most of the basic DPS spells have same weapon modifiers and of course, same basic magic attack (assuming equal people/gears obviously lol).

That wasn't a boss it was a mob... and it depends on his weapon he used Crystal Light on the mob (notice cooldowns) which has a 300% weapon modifier just like sandstorm.

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

also that psychic has full 8jun gear and his weapon is +12. Most of the wizards posting here dont have +12 8jun

EDIT: actually all the wizards here dont have a +12 8jun

If you're talking about Exegesis I believe his weapon was only +10 w/ sapph gems at the time, right now it's +11 with Icebournes, so...

kenlee wrote: »

and i know a barb who did like 320k... lolwiz

End game pure vit armagaddon has the highest dmg potential in the game

Not to mention it takes half of barb's HP or ticks their charm... important to consider if it's not 1v1. b:chuckle

Brishi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

My psys is lvl 61 now and do about 8-10k dmg with glacial shards. Its about same dmg that my wiz did at that lvl.

But my wiz can take more hits, psys die much

if your psy does the same damage as your wiz you are doing something VERY WRONG.

the only skills you can compare

aqua impact - gush
spirit blast - pyrogram
glacial shards/sandburst blast - stone rain ish


other than that
a sandstorm on par (level wise) with a glacial shard will definitely out-damage it.

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Well don't exactly discredit her or imply she is lying. Psychics have black voodoo. Of course, it makes them squishier (and compared to wizards, they don't even have the shields), but I was talking damage-wise.

black voodoo doesnt make up for 100% weapon damage difference + more base damage.

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

black voodoo doesnt make up for 100% weapon damage difference + more base damage.

Why more base damage?

As for covering 100% weapon damage, it depends on your base damage. Black Voodoo adds roughly 20% more damage. With 400 mag, that covers 100% weapon damage already from base magic attack alone. (not to mention the weapon damage modifier on skill & constant damage).

400 mag = 500% weapon dmg for base magic attack

500% * 1.2 = 600%

Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »

That's why I said dmg potential b:thanks
It's not practical, but under the right events it does the best dmg of all skils in game

I object to this. If we go unpractical way, I think a triple sparked wiz with blade tempest against a target with 0 defense on both, and +12 warsoul weapon, full attack sharded also, can outdamage arma. (remember you can't shard attack on arma, cause you need to shard vit stones for epic damage).

But you can't spark with arma. Or well you can, but has no point.