Is there a Good Fist BM build for PVE?

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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You'd need to find a pair, and compare damage * APS to see which is better. Either way, you want the Dark Flashes, as they will still see use even at lvl 100. Unless you get the higher level self-purify fists. That ability is very helpful in so many places as a weapon swap, before going back to your Deicides.

    If both are unrefined and no -int the average damage is 387 for Instants and 423 for Flash. If you got -0.05 int in the Instants and then -0.10 from wrists it's 1.82 aps with those and 1.67 aps with Flash, meaning that the average damage is (if it's just the damage x aps): Instants: 704. Flash: 706.

    Wow. I never though it would go like that. Flash also refines better (at +4 the difference is +51 vs. +55 which isn't that much). Add in self purify and 5% recovery...

    The only thing I can think of where -0.05 fists win is the chi gain. Of course it would also better with Demon Spark, but honestly who would use 73 fists at 89?
    100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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  • WnbTank - Archosaur
    WnbTank - Archosaur Posts: 1,472 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Fixed it for you. I suggest you invest a bit more and forget the lvl 70 molder and get 73 3* Instant Strike Fist with -0.05 int unless you plan on going from 70 to 80 so fast it's not worth it or you can't find those. I think I'll be using only m. def ornaments even though I get one LA piece, but not sure yet. And about the Bracers of Blood Moon; you are very lucky to get it under 5m. Those are so rare since Silver Dragon Orders don't grow in trees at least on a new server like Arch. Here is my build plan for 80: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=15454d94b4c0d93a

    I thought you could get those bracers for chips, with not too high transform cost? Chips wouldn`t be any problem as I tend to get ~50 of those per day from that lovely nien beast event. It`s totally worth being demon barb on Archosaur atm, no sage can compete with me unless they got +9 lunar wep/squad with fist BM. Then there is also another demon barb, the 4 of us kinda dominate event and get quite easy coin & chips. But enough of that, point being I can afford chips for molds quite easily as long as they don`t have high coin cost on transform part.

    The reason why I kinda wanted those lvl 70 mold claws was that ppl who had em, totally loved em in my faction, also purify sound quite nice as a proc on wep. And yeah, I have those same 9x friends still, so I can start FCing damn early as long as I lvl my axe skills enough to be use in there. So I can level fast if I want, with relatively low cost. But I want confirmation that those bracers aren`t possible to get via chips as I would love to use em on my barb(Not yet restatted extra dex into vit) for TT, on bosses herc tanks. If they indeed are only possible to get via orders, I prolly need to rethink about getting those as nobody seems to do DQ anymore, hence too much coin invested as my barb is quite far from optimal gear atm.

    Your build got way too much coin invested on refines & shards on 80(I can FC my lvls, hence not looking for too high armor pre90), also some molds are on my list not worth having. And as I play barb as a main, I`m prolly getting vit tome I can use on both toons, though that`s after I`ve finished my GX and TT90 gold helmet on my barb. But to make your job easier, I`ll add some stuff I have in my barbs bank:

    Cuisses of sea captain, that FC chest called galemark mail(I think, though it`s still on loan). Also my barb is wearing misty I can loan and tauren with imma citrines. My barb is still wearing helm of aqua viciousness as I`m yet to obtain gold mats for my TT90 gold helm, also made GX priority = first making those 20M coins I`m sort of em, before going for the helm. But as I can make few millions per day(10M in last 2-3 days), coin isn`t really too much of a problem, but as barb is priority, I don`t wanna waste em stupid way as his gear is going to need a lot of coins. So what I`m trying to say is, if there is -int gear with relatively cheap price/they can be purchased via chips, I`m kinda into it as my barb could also totally use em for DDing in TT and in the event, god how much would that boost my points.

    Ps. I`m getting lunar claws at some point, but that`s not going to be during this summer aka not in immediate future.
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »
    I thought you could get those bracers for chips, with not too high transform cost? Chips wouldn`t be any problem as I tend to get ~50 of those per day from that lovely nien beast event. It`s totally worth being demon barb on Archosaur atm, no sage can compete with me unless they got +9 lunar wep/squad with fist BM. Then there is also another demon barb, the 4 of us kinda dominate event and get quite easy coin & chips. But enough of that, point being I can afford chips for molds quite easily as long as they don`t have high coin cost on transform part.

    The reason why I kinda wanted those lvl 70 mold claws was that ppl who had em, totally loved em in my faction, also purify sound quite nice as a proc on wep. And yeah, I have those same 9x friends still, so I can start FCing damn early as long as I lvl my axe skills enough to be use in there. So I can level fast if I want, with relatively low cost. But I want confirmation that those bracers aren`t possible to get via chips as I would love to use em on my barb(Not yet restatted extra dex into vit) for TT, on bosses herc tanks. If they indeed are only possible to get via orders, I prolly need to rethink about getting those as nobody seems to do DQ anymore, hence too much coin invested as my barb is quite far from optimal gear atm.

    Your build got way too much coin invested on refines & shards on 80(I can FC my lvls, hence not looking for too high armor pre90), also some molds are on my list not worth having. And as I play barb as a main, I`m prolly getting vit tome I can use on both toons, though that`s after I`ve finished my GX and TT90 gold helmet on my barb. But to make your job easier, I`ll add some stuff I have in my barbs bank:

    Cuisses of sea captain, that FC chest called galemark mail(I think, though it`s still on loan). Also my barb is wearing misty I can loan and tauren with imma citrines. My barb is still wearing helm of aqua viciousness as I`m yet to obtain gold mats for my TT90 gold helm, also made GX priority = first making those 20M coins I`m sort of em, before going for the helm. But as I can make few millions per day(10M in last 2-3 days), coin isn`t really too much of a problem, but as barb is priority, I don`t wanna waste em stupid way as his gear is going to need a lot of coins. So what I`m trying to say is, if there is -int gear with relatively cheap price/they can be purchased via chips, I`m kinda into it as my barb could also totally use em for DDing in TT and in the event, god how much would that boost my points.

    Ps. I`m getting lunar claws at some point, but that`s not going to be during this summer aka not in immediate future.

    1) You can't get those bracers with chips. http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/14077 Only Dragon Orders. You might have to spend weeks to find all the Silver ones on a new server.
    2) I'm happy if I reach 90 after my autumn exams end (ie. 4 months)
    3) I'm basically rolling in coins too, and I'm while I'm not able to get all that at 80, I will work towards it unless the levels come too fast. If that happens then I'm changing my priorities from my 80 equips to 90 equips.
    100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
    pwcalc.com/e7016929e7b204ae "Pure axe" 8k HP multipath BM, last one of my kind.
  • _TricK - Raging Tide
    _TricK - Raging Tide Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    your jokeing right?

    hate to tell ya this sally but from lvl 60+ i've been holding aggro and tanking all of my bh's amd a good chunk of my tt's (lvl 80 5k hp and can tank 2-2)

    and lvl 60 gets you a cheap and effective bit of int

    i dont CS

    3 str 2 dex a lvl adn you use all weapons at lvl vit is over rated


    ive been taking my bh since 45..
    5k hp? ur pretty bad.. i have 5.1k already.
    i mean, 1-45 is a tough road. but making fists will be tougher.
    pzlate
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »
    Just curious, you skip wurlord in 2-2? I don`t remember him ever hitting me with his skill but his big bro in 2-3 has hitted me for over 9k so I`m just curious can you take it in 2-2? Or does BM have some cancel skill?

    Of course if you're going to sit there and try to tank Wurlord's ranged attack, you better have a lot of HP, but as a BM that's not playing smart.

    When you see Wurlord start to channel, you need to interrupt or cancel his ranged/magic attack. Shadowless Kick > Smack > Shadowless Kick > Spark (to resist) > (start the cycle again). You can also add a canceling skill such as lightning chaser or earthquake to your genie to interrupt.

    If you're not familiar with this technique, try it in solo mode and get your timing down before trying it in squad mode.
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    _TricK - Raging Tide wrote: »
    ive been taking my bh since 45..
    5k hp? ur pretty bad.. i have 5.1k already.
    i mean, 1-45 is a tough road. but making fists will be tougher.
    pzlate

    How is using fists harder than others weapons? No matter what weapon path you choose, 1-40 is nothing too hard and after that it's even easier. And if you got 5.1k at 71 or so you must have good gears or way too much VIT.
    100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
    pwcalc.com/e7016929e7b204ae "Pure axe" 8k HP multipath BM, last one of my kind.
  • _TricK - Raging Tide
    _TricK - Raging Tide Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    How is using fists harder than others weapons? No matter what weapon path you choose, 1-40 is nothing too hard and after that it's even easier. And if you got 5.1k at 71 or so you must have good gears or way too much VIT.

    very very good gears
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    _TricK - Raging Tide wrote: »
    very very good gears

    that's two "very"s for those of you keeping track b:dirty
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  • Tigetito - Harshlands
    Tigetito - Harshlands Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    loocking fordward for ur pvp/pve fist guide kingmany702 b:victory
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Always interesting looking back in time about fists on the BM forum. But stop necroing b:angry.
  • Maragon - Dreamweaver
    Maragon - Dreamweaver Posts: 645 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    haha funny posts from when people thought fists were horrible....but yea double necro...this was necroed last may too
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  • anwynd
    anwynd Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2010
    Maragon - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    haha funny posts from when people thought fists were horrible....but yea double necro...this was necroed last may too

    i like your sigb:laughb:avoid
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  • sebbewtf
    sebbewtf Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited September 2010
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