Is there a Good Fist BM build for PVE?
sinistervii
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Is there a good fist BM build for PVE? I took the point as fist users suck at PvP but I still want to give Fists a try! Stubborn as I am xD
So could someone list a few recommended builds for me and perhaps a short discription about it's pros & cons?
So could someone list a few recommended builds for me and perhaps a short discription about it's pros & cons?
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sinistervii wrote: »good fist BM build
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First, if you want to make a Fist BM, stop listening to all the shiit talk about how bad they are. The Fist BM doesn't work well for 98% of players "play styles." That's it! I'm not saying a Fist BM is or isn't the type of Char you are looking for but check out this thread...
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=160701
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I've heard that fists are pretty bad at PvE, due ot the whole "mobs hitting everytime with 50% evasion on them thing" and their very low vit score0
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if you are gonna be a fist bm then build a fist bm and get a real tank for pve
i am a barb so take it for what it's worth but find a guild that will help and make friends with a tank
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Nevlik - Heavens Tear wrote: »I've heard that fists are pretty bad at PvE, due ot the whole "mobs hitting everytime with 50% evasion on them thing" and their very low vit score
They're actually amazing @ high level (89+) and on par if not faster than a Veno.
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I'm just curious, if any lvl 89+ fist bms are out there, how good are they? though this does include the fact u'll be suffering to get to lvl 89+0
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wheres a quote from part of my post in fist vs sword threadhttp://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=129062&page=6
fists r not supposed to have heavy armor if u do that ur vit will suck big timeforsakenjk4 wrote: »what i think is that, fists will have a hard time killing heavy armored oponents, but then again robe users will get eaten, do to the higher mdef from light, and the lowest pdef from robes, the atk speed from fists wont have any def to block thei atk power so it will deal heavy dmg to casters (and other light armor users) while getting less dmg from magic. and theres also the gvg (or any other group battles) where heavy armor holds front line, archers and casters punch the front liners to a pulp from afar, and fists rush in kamikazy style to kill healers and casters, thats their job, they r not supposed to be in 1v1 fights, thats just suicidal, they just need higher pdef than robes to cross the front lines.
go for a 3vit 3 str 4 dex every 2 lvls, or only 2 vit and use the remaining wherever u want, str for atk or dex for acc and evasion, but dont expect to solo easily in pve, fists r not an easy build
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WAT who ever said tht fists bm suck are really dum i am making a bm fists guide pretty soon but all i can tell you my friend dnt give up stay with the fists nd try to learn axes y a fists bm is the best i mean BEST at killing bosses nd the BEST at killing BARBS ND WIZ's they suck at PVP ur dum to believe them there the best at PVP nd PVE stay with it this is my recommended build for a good PVP nd PVE although for PVE u should use axes nd PVP nd bosses fists use axes man for PVE this is the build 3 str nd 2 dex 1 level the next level 3 dex nd 2 str nd just keep switching off 1 level 3 str nd 2 dex the next level 3 dex nd 2 str dnt add any to mag or vit NONE AT ALL NO POINTS INTO THEM tht is my tip need more info reply to me nd ask me questions0
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A fist BM is the best for 1vs1 in PvP but PvE dont try it plz just dont lol[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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ELITE_ONE - Raging Tide wrote: »but PvE dont try it plz just dont lol
Ever done a saved TT3-3 in 15 mins with 3 fist BMs and a cleric? :P[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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ELITE_ONE - Raging Tide wrote: »A fist BM is the best for 1vs1 in PvP but PvE dont try it plz just dont lol
I can solo all bosses in 3-1 on a charm. b:pleasedRaviste - Heavens Tear wrote: »Ever done a saved TT3-3 in 15 mins with 3 fist BMs and a cleric? :P
To be honest, it takes a little more than 15 minutes.... and that's skipping Minister. I mean you do spend a lot of time running from boss to boss too. lol We did 4 in 2 hours, and that's including bathroom breaks and afks for a few minutes here and there between bosses.
We did do a 19m Nirvana run with 3 fist BMs. My claws were only +7 at the time and I've also got more interval now too. If we did it again we could probably do it in about 17m depending on which bosses you get. hehI post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Of course I meant skipping minister; it's not worth doing in a saved 3-3. :P[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Raviste - Heavens Tear wrote: »Of course I meant skipping minister; it's not worth doing in a saved 3-3. :P
Yeah, he's a pain, but every time we skip it I always wonder if Twilight Scepter woulda dropped. That certainly would make it worthwhile. :PI post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
yep i swear i have a level 110 bm nd i can solo calas on fb 89 with fists they are really usufull nd i use axes though for grinding kills mobs faster trust me all those people who used to talk about fists bm are now carrying fists in there inventory i knew one day the fists would be very usufull0
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kingmany702 wrote: »yep i swear i have a level 110 bm nd i can solo calas on fb 89 with fists they are really usufull nd i use axes though for grinding kills mobs faster trust me all those people who used to talk about fists bm are now carrying fists in there inventory i knew one day the fists would be very usufull
Calas are private server, and most BMs on private server are soloing them by 100 anyways. Not very difficult thing to do on it, just get a belt of mag def, and go -int gear as much as you can. Even with a few -int you still can charm tank private server ridiculously easy due to +12 all gear.Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura
Get a High lvl Fist warrior use it, Restat to axes. GG - complexx
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kingmany702 wrote: »WAT <( Gave up reading at this point ) who ever said tht fists bm suck are really dum i am making a bm fists guide pretty soon but all i can tell you my friend dnt give up stay with the fists nd try to learn axes y a fists bm is the best i mean BEST at killing bosses nd the BEST at killing BARBS ND WIZ's they suck at PVP ur dum to believe them there the best at PVP nd PVE stay with it this is my recommended build for a good PVP nd PVE although for PVE u should use axes nd PVP nd bosses fists use axes man for PVE this is the build 3 str nd 2 dex 1 level the next level 3 dex nd 2 str nd just keep switching off 1 level 3 str nd 2 dex the next level 3 dex nd 2 str dnt add any to mag or vit NONE AT ALL NO POINTS INTO THEM tht is my tip need more info reply to me nd ask me questions
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fist bm dont suck at pvp but yes at pve.
why
fist bms are tough to level first of all. and will be mostly a mooch of tanks and clerics, since u wont be able to do anything by yourself. also when you reach 90+ thats when the fun begins. but only if you spend alot of $$ in the game. to buy all -intervals and just pure money on gear and stacking stats.
but then again, its hard to reach 90+ cuz people wont bring u to fcs without ur aoes and stuns. but then again u can still use low lvl axes
could always have 2 masteries at 80+ since spirit is extra by then.
so in short. spend lots of real money, u get best blademaster for pvp kidna for pve if ur high lvl.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
_TricK - Raging Tide wrote: »fist bm dont suck at pvp but yes at pve.
why
fist bms are tough to level first of all. and will be mostly a mooch of tanks and clerics, since u wont be able to do anything by yourself. also when you reach 90+ thats when the fun begins. but only if you spend alot of $$ in the game. to buy all -intervals and just pure money on gear and stacking stats.
but then again, its hard to reach 90+ cuz people wont bring u to fcs without ur aoes and stuns. but then again u can still use low lvl axes
could always have 2 masteries at 80+ since spirit is extra by then.
so in short. spend lots of real money, u get best blademaster for pvp kidna for pve if ur high lvl.
your jokeing right?
hate to tell ya this sally but from lvl 60+ i've been holding aggro and tanking all of my bh's amd a good chunk of my tt's (lvl 80 5k hp and can tank 2-2)
and lvl 60 gets you a cheap and effective bit of int
i dont CS
3 str 2 dex a lvl adn you use all weapons at lvl vit is over ratedGifs are hard to make work here0 -
Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »your jokeing right?
hate to tell ya this sally but from lvl 60+ i've been holding aggro and tanking all of my bh's amd a good chunk of my tt's (lvl 80 5k hp and can tank 2-2)
and lvl 60 gets you a cheap and effective bit of int
i dont CS
3 str 2 dex a lvl adn you use all weapons at lvl vit is over rated
Just curious, you skip wurlord in 2-2? I don`t remember him ever hitting me with his skill but his big bro in 2-3 has hitted me for over 9k so I`m just curious can you take it in 2-2? Or does BM have some cancel skill?
But to my questions for all, I`ve been starting to make fist BM alt for the times I wait my friends on to do TT/FC/etc. I`ve been thinking going to HA, while getting those LA mold leggins, lvl 60ish, with -int. Getting annihilators and those lvl mold 70 claws when time comes, otherwise going with own FB mold drops/TT armor/tt80 wep till I get to 90 as I can farm TT easy being barb & having herc veno friend whom would love demon fist/claw BM for DD in TTs.
Is there some "must have" items on lower lvls, that I should know of? I`m not looking to spend heavy on this BM but trying to make him buy his own gear, though I can throw some coins from my barb to it. But with those 3 molds I mentioned, I`ll be looking ~2M usage on it pre 90, I can throw about the same amount more, if there is something actually kewl. If needed, I can loan mistys and Tauren from my barb when I play him, so those are something you can skip mentioning. I also got some mold ornaments and old HA I can throw to this BM including FC chest(after I get it back, loaned to barb friend till she gets her TT90 one).And does somebody have some parts of LA armor for -int while going HA otherwise, if so, do you use p.def or m.def ornaments?
Ps. I would love experienced answers, though any info is appreaciated.Trolling Sid since So Hot
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WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »Just curious, you skip wurlord in 2-2? I don`t remember him ever hitting me with his skill but his big bro in 2-3 has hitted me for over 9k so I`m just curious can you take it in 2-2? Or does BM have some cancel skill?
But to my questions for all, I`ve been starting to make fist BM alt for the times I wait my friends on to do TT/FC/etc. I`ve been thinking going to HA, while getting those LA mold bracers, lvl 60ish, with -int. Getting annihilators and those lvl mold 70 claws when time comes, otherwise going with own FB mold drops/TT armor/tt80 wep till I get to 90 as I can farm TT easy being barb & having herc veno friend whom would love demon fist/claw BM for DD in TTs.
Is there some "must have" items on lower lvls, that I should know of? I`m not looking to spend heavy on this BM but trying to make him buy his own gear, though I can throw some coins from my barb to it. But with those 3 molds I mentioned, I`ll be looking ~2M usage on it pre 90, I can throw about the same amount more, if there is something actually kewl. If needed, I can loan mistys and Tauren from my barb when I play him, so those are something you can skip mentioning. I also got some mold ornaments and old HA I can throw to this BM including FC chest(after I get it back, loaned to barb friend till she gets her TT90 one).And does somebody have some parts of LA armor for -int while going HA otherwise, if so, do you use p.def or m.def ornaments?
Ps. I would love experienced answers, though any info is appreaciated.
Fixed it for you. I suggest you invest a bit more and forget the lvl 70 molder and get 73 3* Instant Strike Fist with -0.05 int unless you plan on going from 70 to 80 so fast it's not worth it or you can't find those. I think I'll be using only m. def ornaments even though I get one LA piece, but not sure yet. And about the Bracers of Blood Moon; you are very lucky to get it under 5m. Those are so rare since Silver Dragon Orders don't grow in trees at least on a new server like Arch. Here is my build plan for 80: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=15454d94b4c0d93a100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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sinistervii wrote: »Is there a good fist BM build for PVE? I took the point as fist users suck at PvP but I still want to give Fists a try! Stubborn as I am xD
So could someone list a few recommended builds for me and perhaps a short discription about it's pros & cons?
OMG DID U JUST SAY FIST BM ARE HORRIBLE AT PVP????? OMGOMGOMGOMG
but seriously at lvl 95+ fist bms would be in the top 3 pvp classes, and if u can cs enough the best.
for mob control fists is not the build i would recommend (try axe for that) but for single target boss kills, (not insane damage bosses or random argo bosses) fist bms are usually the first choice in tanking. they deal damage higher than archers and they can hold argo.WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »Is there some "must have" items on lower lvls, that I should know of? I`m not looking to spend heavy on this BM but trying to make him buy his own gear, though I can throw some coins from my barb to it. But with those 3 molds I mentioned, I`ll be looking ~2M usage on it pre 90, I can throw about the same amount more, if there is something actually kewl. If needed, I can loan mistys and Tauren from my barb when I play him, so those are something you can skip mentioning. I also got some mold ornaments and old HA I can throw to this BM including FC chest(after I get it back, loaned to barb friend till she gets her TT90 one).And does somebody have some parts of LA armor for -int while going HA otherwise, if so, do you use p.def or m.def ornaments?
Ps. I would love experienced answers, though any info is appreaciated.
depending on what lvl you would leave ur bm at, if you decide to stop lvling it before 95 (and if ur not serious about this bm) then probably the best fist is the fc gold fist with -0.05 int, it may cost quite a bit but its worth it, not quite sure how much money ur willing to spend, fc fist is in the 20mil mark, if ur really envious u can try lunar fist at lvl 95 (about 50-60mil)
magic def ornaments all the way for any bm style, go for heavy armor and m def ornaments, light armor isn't worth it unless its for hh99 set bounse.0 -
Pre-60, look for fists in AH with -int, 2 sockets, double+ phys atk, or some mix of two of them. That will make it worthwhile to even use fists before 60, as cyclone is pretty sucky at this point.
At 60, get the LA DQ bracers with -.1 int, and Annihilators of Soul. This is when you start having a good amount of power. Usually can search AH for a nice refined and sharded set of AoS, might have trouble getting the bracers from AH or WC. So also look for DQ orders as well.
After that, just get Dark Flash at 70, Buddha Fists at 80(Soulmessenger for cheaper route at end), Gorenox: Vanity if you can afford at 85. Go Demon at 89, and with Gorenox or decent fists, you can start tanking and holding aggro pretty well vs. same lvl or close DDs. Mostly only refine level difference will cause a problem, or a string of archer crits if they start early. Counter by using Dragon Bane, marrow/hit once, trip spark, pummel.Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura
Get a High lvl Fist warrior use it, Restat to axes. GG - complexx
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WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »Just curious, you skip wurlord in 2-2? I don`t remember him ever hitting me with his skill but his big bro in 2-3 has hitted me for over 9k so I`m just curious can you take it in 2-2? Or does BM have some cancel skill?
But to my questions for all, I`ve been starting to make fist BM alt for the times I wait my friends on to do TT/FC/etc. I`ve been thinking going to HA, while getting those LA mold leggins, lvl 60ish, with -int. Getting annihilators and those lvl mold 70 claws when time comes, otherwise going with own FB mold drops/TT armor/tt80 wep till I get to 90 as I can farm TT easy being barb & having herc veno friend whom would love demon fist/claw BM for DD in TTs.
Is there some "must have" items on lower lvls, that I should know of? I`m not looking to spend heavy on this BM but trying to make him buy his own gear, though I can throw some coins from my barb to it. But with those 3 molds I mentioned, I`ll be looking ~2M usage on it pre 90, I can throw about the same amount more, if there is something actually kewl. If needed, I can loan mistys and Tauren from my barb when I play him, so those are something you can skip mentioning. I also got some mold ornaments and old HA I can throw to this BM including FC chest(after I get it back, loaned to barb friend till she gets her TT90 one).And does somebody have some parts of LA armor for -int while going HA otherwise, if so, do you use p.def or m.def ornaments?
Ps. I would love experienced answers, though any info is appreaciated.
shadowless kick earthquake and smack for cancles and MSS for reduction
but tbh with 2 clerics thats not even needed
only issue is aggro on high DPS pets like herk scorp and walker and that will poof at 90+ one me gets 2 aps baseb:dirtyGifs are hard to make work here0 -
Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »Pre-60, look for fists in AH with -int, 2 sockets, double+ phys atk, or some mix of two of them. That will make it worthwhile to even use fists before 60, as cyclone is pretty sucky at this point.
At 60, get the LA DQ bracers with -.1 int, and Annihilators of Soul. This is when you start having a good amount of power. Usually can search AH for a nice refined and sharded set of AoS, might have trouble getting the bracers from AH or WC. So also look for DQ orders as well.
After that, just get Dark Flash at 70, Buddha Fists at 80(Soulmessenger for cheaper route at end), Gorenox: Vanity if you can afford at 85. Go Demon at 89, and with Gorenox or decent fists, you can start tanking and holding aggro pretty well vs. same lvl or close DDs. Mostly only refine level difference will cause a problem, or a string of archer crits if they start early. Counter by using Dragon Bane, marrow/hit once, trip spark, pummel.
So you wouldn't get -0.15 int total at 73? (DQ bracers -0.10 + Instant Stike Fists -0.05)100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »So you wouldn't get -0.15 int total at 73? (DQ bracers -0.10 + Instant Stike Fists -0.05)
yup 1.82 aps was great
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Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »yup 1.82 aps was great
miss me instantsb:sad
Hehe I'm pretty close to getting those and the bracers. Getting the money is the easy part though. I wish I could be able to get those earlier, but my 75 VIT doesn't allow me and if I restat my HP will drop way under 5k at 80.100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »So you wouldn't get -0.15 int total at 73? (DQ bracers -0.10 + Instant Stike Fists -0.05)
You'd need to find a pair, and compare damage * APS to see which is better. Either way, you want the Dark Flashes, as they will still see use even at lvl 100. Unless you get the higher level self-purify fists. That ability is very helpful in so many places as a weapon swap, before going back to your Deicides.Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura
Get a High lvl Fist warrior use it, Restat to axes. GG - complexx
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