Hyper stones fail...

Absoluth - Heavens Tear
Absoluth - Heavens Tear Posts: 764 Arc User
edited August 2010 in General Discussion
Its pretty funny how PWI math calculation goes. According to the Devs, this is how hyper system is supposed to work (numbers coming from a FF boss):

Normal 2x event boss exp:
Player 1~4 = avg 37~40k exp each

Hyper 8x on 2x event (9x) boss exp:
Player 5 = 22k exp

Hyper 12x on 2x evn (13x) boss exp:
Player 6 (me) = 15k exp

I find it pretty funny that i paid 2.5M coins to get less than half the exp others in my squad did. Before any moron says anything about buffer/exaustion, it was activated throughout the instance and i was getting high exp from normal mobs. It just seems that PWI thinks boss exp should be less for hyper exp players.

Can i get a GM clarification for this? What happened above went on ALL the FF bosses. Either i got just a smidge of exp (like non-hyper getting 40k and me 60k) or my exp going negtative. Instead of getting 520k on boss (13 x 40k), i received 15k. I consider this to be money theft and i really hope for either my gold back or other form of compensation, as this is unnaceptable.

Anybody else noticed this flaw?
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    your level lowers their exp, not to mention was this in two different parties or the same one?
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  • Absoluth - Heavens Tear
    Absoluth - Heavens Tear Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    your level lowers their exp, not to mention was this in two different parties or the same one?
    Same 1, and my lv has nothing to do with it. A guy near my lv non-hyper got more exp than me.

    At first i was only turning it on seconds before boss was getting killed, but i noticed i wasnt really getting 13x. So on following bosses i left it on the entire boss fight. Still continued getting lower exp. Whats funny is that i got more SP than EXP on them, which is a dead giveaway of calculation error of PWI.
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  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Well I don't know what your problem is because it is working absolutely fine for me.

    Either:
    - you did something wrong (thus meaning you fail, not the stones) and are not aware of it
    - there was a glitch (thus meaning something failed, not necessarily the stones)
    - this game hates you (meaning either you or the game fail)

    J/k on the last one.

    But just because they don't work for you it doesn't mean they fail. Also, did you ever hear about this amazing thing called "send a ticket"? It's the most genius little thing.
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  • Euphy - Dreamweaver
    Euphy - Dreamweaver Posts: 495 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I was told that the Hyper Stones did not affect the exp. received from bosses or quests. That would explain it right?

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  • Foxgrit - Lost City
    Foxgrit - Lost City Posts: 421 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    before you complain go check something first. there is a definite possibility that it wont show xp gains in 6 digits. check your character screen and confirm your true xp gains before complaining. i'll bet you are actually getting over 100k but its not showing that first digit.
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Similar problem in FF. I got much more spirit points from bosses than experience. I never see it before, that you get more spirit points than experience points. It's strange. But on mobs it was fine.
    But I figure out, that is not worth it. I rather save millions in coins as to buy these stones.
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  • Absoluth - Heavens Tear
    Absoluth - Heavens Tear Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »
    before you complain go check something first. there is a definite possibility that it wont show xp gains in 6 digits. check your character screen and confirm your true xp gains before complaining. i'll bet you are actually getting over 100k but its not showing that first digit.
    Really? So how come it shows 6 digits on every daily there is? If the number slot is there, i dont see a reason why it wouldnt show in some occasions and others not.

    Oh, and no. It wasnt just a visual bug. If i did gain the exp i was supposed to, i'd probly be sitting in over 2M more exp than i am now.
    Euphy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I was told that the Hyper Stones did not affect the exp. received from bosses or quests. That would explain it right?
    Quests are always the same exp, despite of what exp addition there is. As for bosses, killing them is like killing a regular mob as far as i know. Even if they werent, then why are hyper players getting less?
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  • Mamiko_mao - Sanctuary
    Mamiko_mao - Sanctuary Posts: 115 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I tried it once in Frostcovered too. Each of the later bosses killed (Oceana, Fragrance, Phoenix) were giving me 55k spirit or so, but the status only showed me getting 3k exp, and my squadmates were getting 30k or so. I was wondering if it was an error with 6 digit numbers though. I tested it on the earlier FC bosses (Styren Cyclops, that first boss, Asoteric Runewolf, Dreadlindra) in a 2nd run, and the numbers looked right (about 55kish exp or more).

    So it COULD be a 6-digit exp display bug... or it could be a 6 digit exp rolling back to 4 digit exp. T_T

    I'm unlikely to try this again unless someone confirms it. >>; A bit painful not getting the expected amount of EXP from FC.
  • howardroark
    howardroark Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Its an error with the exp display, not the exp you actually gain. Try actually looking at the exp you gain before QQing on forums.
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Similar problem in FF. I got much more spirit points from bosses than experience. I never see it before, that you get more spirit points than experience points. It's strange. But on mobs it was fine.
    But I figure out, that is not worth it. I rather save millions in coins as to buy these stones.

    it be just a display problem
    <---tested it out meself using the 4x for 3 hours option in FC
    it said that the boss gave 519 exp but me exp bar moved a total of 0.8% (which be way more then 519 exp)
    so far it be working just fine.
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  • Sadpuma - Heavens Tear
    Sadpuma - Heavens Tear Posts: 286 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    yeah, i run FF with 12x and works great. The only thing that is wrong is the display.


    The first sign that the display is not working correctly is to compare the exp and spirit. On my runs from bosses it would say i got 40k exp from the boss but 45k spirit. Obviously that is wrong, so i compared my exp (from my exp bar) before and after the boss kill. I was easily getting plenty more times the displayed value. So, have no fear it works.

    As an FYI, im getting roughly 4M exp per FF run.
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ty very much all. So it's not that bad. :-)
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  • Absoluth - Heavens Tear
    Absoluth - Heavens Tear Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    This is exactly the reason why i post here before sending tickets. First, GMs dont work weekends. Second, players see points of views you might've missed or you may read a reply and that little bulb over your head immediatly goes on.

    So i just finished another run with the remaining time i had and checked on every situation it was on. Also tested full boss and nearly dead boss situation, as that was what weirded me out in the first place. It does have a display error 'on some/most mobs', but the exp does kick in correctly. As for the boss situation, it wont matter if you switch it on 5 mins before the btl even begins or 5 secs before boss dies. You will get full exp.

    Unfortunately i was basing myself on some math i read about earlier, in which you could end up scoring over 12M exp in a single run. Considering i only had 1h of hyper and was switching it on on bosses/important waves, i figured i'd make at least 80~90% of that amount if i timed it correctly. However, the math was way off.

    So, thanks for those who gave a constructive criticism and pointed out where i made a mistake.

    Anyways, doesnt seem like its worth the coin loss. About 2.5M coins to make a 1.1M run go up to 3.xM. Considering the absurd amount of exp u get from dailys/marriage, its better to save it for gear/charms.
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  • AlanWake - Harshlands
    AlanWake - Harshlands Posts: 178 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Absoluth - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    This is exactly the reason why i post here before sending tickets. First, GMs dont work weekends. Second, players see points of views you might've missed or you may read a reply and that little bulb over your head immediatly goes on.

    So i just finished another run with the remaining time i had and checked on every situation it was on. Also tested full boss and nearly dead boss situation, as that was what weirded me out in the first place. It does have a display error 'on some/most mobs', but the exp does kick in correctly. As for the boss situation, it wont matter if you switch it on 5 mins before the btl even begins or 5 secs before boss dies. You will get full exp.

    Unfortunately i was basing myself on some math i read about earlier, in which you could end up scoring over 12M exp in a single run. Considering i only had 1h of hyper and was switching it on on bosses/important waves, i figured i'd make at least 80~90% of that amount if i timed it correctly. However, the math was way off.

    So, thanks for those who gave a constructive criticism and pointed out where i made a mistake.

    Anyways, doesnt seem like its worth the coin loss. About 2.5M coins to make a 1.1M run go up to 3.xM. Considering the absurd amount of exp u get from dailys/marriage, its better to save it for gear/charms.


    just makes me chuckle that everyone is just starting to figure out these lil exp stones are not worth the money b:chuckle
  • Brigid - Harshlands
    Brigid - Harshlands Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    AlanWake - Harshlands wrote: »
    just makes me chuckle that everyone is just starting to figure out these lil exp stones are not worth the money b:chuckle
    They're still more worth it than, say, Oracles are. A single 1-hour 8x session costs me 3 gold, or ~1.5m on HL. It's on track to last me for a total of 6 FC runs, more if I only turn it on for the biggest EXP room. That's around, I dunno, 12m extra XP? Compare that to a 45k Oracle II at 22k XP.
  • Sadpuma - Heavens Tear
    Sadpuma - Heavens Tear Posts: 286 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    AlanWake - Harshlands wrote: »
    just makes me chuckle that everyone is just starting to figure out these lil exp stones are not worth the money b:chuckle

    They are sooo worth it. at least i think the 12x ones are. With the pausing i can make that one hour last almost 3 FF runs. A total of around 12M exp between the 3 runs. All for around 2.5M with gold @500k.


    I dont know about ya'll but i think that is a hell of a deal.
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  • matrox666
    matrox666 Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Absoluth - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    This is exactly the reason why i post here before sending tickets. First, GMs dont work weekends. Second, players see points of views you might've missed or you may read a reply and that little bulb over your head immediatly goes on.

    So i just finished another run with the remaining time i had and checked on every situation it was on. Also tested full boss and nearly dead boss situation, as that was what weirded me out in the first place. It does have a display error 'on some/most mobs', but the exp does kick in correctly. As for the boss situation, it wont matter if you switch it on 5 mins before the btl even begins or 5 secs before boss dies. You will get full exp.

    Unfortunately i was basing myself on some math i read about earlier, in which you could end up scoring over 12M exp in a single run. Considering i only had 1h of hyper and was switching it on on bosses/important waves, i figured i'd make at least 80~90% of that amount if i timed it correctly. However, the math was way off.

    So, thanks for those who gave a constructive criticism and pointed out where i made a mistake.

    Anyways, doesnt seem like its worth the coin loss. About 2.5M coins to make a 1.1M run go up to 3.xM. Considering the absurd amount of exp u get from dailys/marriage, its better to save it for gear/charms.

    Your level is way past the range of good exp from Frost. Those are all 8x mobs. You get nerfed xp as it is, perhaps the xp reduction is being magnified as well... who knows.

    I have plenty of people in-faction who have gained anywhere from 70% to 2 levels from doing Frost with x12 hyperxp. So there has to be a glitch.. they were all in the 80-89 range though.

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  • theunseen
    theunseen Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I was alone killing mobs for 970 exp each without my hyper 12x on. I turn on the hyper 12x and I get 6k exp, how the **** does that work? PWI's calculations are extremely ****ed up, considering I was alone
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    theunseen wrote: »
    I was alone killing mobs for 970 exp each without my hyper 12x on. I turn on the hyper 12x and I get 6k exp, how the **** does that work? PWI's calculations are extremely ****ed up, considering I was alone

    silly person...
    it be merely a display error...
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  • Untamedchaos - Sanctuary
    Untamedchaos - Sanctuary Posts: 383 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    silly person...
    it be merely a display error...
    b:sweat

    I don't think so, a lot of things on pwi including math are wrong lol
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    you thought wrong.
    me already tested it out using the 4x exp for 3 hours option.
    it displayed 2010-02-0613-05-22.jpg

    but when me checked me exp bar it went up about 0.8% which be way more then 519 exp.
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  • Brigid - Harshlands
    Brigid - Harshlands Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    theunseen wrote: »
    I was alone killing mobs for 970 exp each without my hyper 12x on. I turn on the hyper 12x and I get 6k exp, how the **** does that work? PWI's calculations are extremely ****ed up, considering I was alone
    970 is already doubled by the event. Thus, base EXP for that mob is 485. 485 * (1 + 1(event) + 11(hyper)) = 485*13 = 6305 EXP. Everything is working fine except your assumptions about the stacking.
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Brigid - Harshlands wrote: »
    970 is already doubled by the event. Thus, base EXP for that mob is 485. 485 * (1 + 1(event) + 11(hyper)) = 485*13 = 6305 EXP. Everything is working fine except your assumptions about the stacking.

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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    28m XP in 2 hrs by a guildie... a lvl 101 BM solo grinding 3rd map. That's just insane.
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  • shonesum
    shonesum Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Actually, You are right.. We do see that we are getting less exp than other people but when hypering a boss.. don't look at the exp we gained... instead look at the % we gained. I usually gain 2-3% a boss... so check what % of exp you get!!
  • LovesTragedy - Lost City
    LovesTragedy - Lost City Posts: 474 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    b:surrender Necro alert
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  • /Groovy/ - Harshlands
    /Groovy/ - Harshlands Posts: 688 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    howardroark wrote: »
    Its an error with the exp display, not the exp you actually gain. Try actually looking at the exp you gain before QQing on forums.

    This.

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  • OIdpop - Heavens Tear
    OIdpop - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    i never ever hyper on bosses..the exp blows..save your ticks for other round ups.
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