General Thoughts on Nirvana 99 Keys Quest
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TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »I'll agree with you here that in this case you'd split the mats, but it's a really bad analogy for a couple of reasons:
1) The quest doesn't belong to just 1 person; completion does not require separate runs to complete the quest. For FB tabs / 99 Nirvana Keys / Card Bosses... It requires a "Quest Leader" to complete. You can't get exp from FB tabs without the Quest Leaders' tabs and you can't do the last Nirvana boss without the Quest Leaders' 99 keys. You don't need a Quest Leader to kill the bosses in HH, therefore no one can really call all the drops. Going inside the instance to kill one boss is different than doing a full run in which case you'd decide beforehand if it was a mat run/coin run.
It's not really just one boss. In the case of TT, there's multiple bosses you need to fight in order to get to the ones needed for chrono. In Nirvana, you have to down 7 bosses before you get to the quest one.
Time spent is roughly the same.
And yeah I admit, it was somewhat of a bad analogy but you know what I was trying to get at. In the case of a card boss as you mentioned, mats are from my experience split pretty much equally. Same with the raptures on the 99key runs I've done in the past.2) Duration of time spent - 5 minutes in Nirvana compared to hours in HH.
Not everyone is as lucky as you are to have constant 6 man 5apser squads though. I've done about two dozen pure fist squads, all the other runs were normal squads with an average time of completion around 45 minutes. After the BS patch that introduced the seals I've been on runs that took well over an hour - which is why I pretty much stopped doing Nirvana with "average" squads and turned to 2 man TTs for money instead. I just stash the keys for the most part and do the quest once a month for some easy cash on the side.
So you really can't even begin to compare you averaging 2.5mil a day in half an hour due to having 5/6 5apsers (sage spark and bloodpaint pretty much render a cleric useless allowing for clericless runs making it go EVEN faster, but I'm sure you know that lol) and someone that averages 500k an hour because they're stuck with venos, wizards, barbs and psys.I'm not saying you're greedy or your logic is wrong, but consider if I ran my 99 Keys quest my friends would want me to have it even if I offered to split it with them for 5 minutes of their time. If I was in a random squad, they'd have no problem taking a split I were to offer it, but they shouldn't demand it. Why should they care what I get? I wouldn't care what they got if I didn't know them.
I take it that's how regi works and that's perfectly fine. You get to keep your raptures and your friends get to keep theirs.
I on the other hand, have been on several 99 key runs (before I did my own) where the people doing the quest shared the 2 raptures with the squad. When it was my turn, I did the exact same thing.
Comes down to same thing really. Getting 3 mil in one go or 6 times 500k if you run with a relatively static squad, which I assume you do.b:dirty0 -
In 99 runs, you could've made 60m. So why should you have to give 3m away, when you already lost 57m?0
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Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »Not everyone is as lucky as you are to have constant 6 man 5apser squads though. I've done about two dozen pure fist squads, all the other runs were normal squads with an average time of completion around 45 minutes. After the BS patch that introduced the seals I've been on runs that took well over an hour - which is why I pretty much stopped doing Nirvana with "average" squads and turned to 2 man TTs for money instead. I just stash the keys for the most part and do the quest once a month for some easy cash on the side.
So you really can't even begin to compare you averaging 2.5mil a day in half an hour due to having 5/6 5apsers (sage spark and bloodpaint pretty much render a cleric useless allowing for clericless runs making it go EVEN faster, but I'm sure you know that lol) and someone that averages 500k an hour because they're stuck with venos, wizards, barbs and psys.
I was going to respond to your last post filled with horrible logic in length, but you pretty much state everything that I've been saying all along.
It has nothing to do with sharing. It has nothing to do with what's fair. It's all about the money. You're trying to hide greed behind not-so-elaborate justifications because your time and effort should be rewarded.
Yes, it's pretty apparent that you only run in pick-up parties with randoms, and I can understand not letting a couple of raptures go. At least admit that you don't want to waste your time on people you don't know so they can get a bigger cut than you.
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Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »Lets see, I've run close to 500 Nirvana runs. I've done at least 20 key quests. The bosses aren't hard, they don't do anything special, you just triple spark amp and kill it. It takes about 4-5m with a full party. That's so taxing on everyone's resources. I get that. /facepalm
What does your 500 runs got anything to do with what i said? What does how hard the boss is got to do with what I said? And how much does it tax your group? If it goes over the price of 2 raptures, then you can say you have a loss of profit, but then your group is truly fail. b:chuckle lrntoreadandcomprehend XD0 -
Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »I was going to respond to your last post filled with horrible logic in length, but you pretty much state everything that I've been saying all along.
Yay?It has nothing to do with sharing. It has nothing to do with what's fair. It's all about the money. You're trying to hide greed behind not-so-elaborate justifications because your time and effort should be rewarded.
And yours isn't? I'm sure you're at 5aps in +10 gear and a +11 weapon because you're a good Samaritan that goes around helping people 24/7 taking nothing in return. Hypocrite much?
And FYI, I've done more than my fair share of charity work for other people. Stop pretending you know me ktnx?
We did a normal 6 man Nirvana run with 3 randoms. We finished the run, split the loot, random lefts, and the 3 of us went back for the boss, and split the 2 raptures among ourselves. Where exactly am I justifying anything? And what exactly in this scenario makes me greedy? Do tell please. I fail to see it.Yes, it's pretty apparent that you only run in pick-up parties with randoms, and I can understand not letting a couple of raptures go. At least admit that you don't want to waste your time on people you don't know so they can get a bigger cut than you.
I suggest you find a faction with more people 100+.
Again you're twisting my words around and seeing things that just aren't there.
I did split the raptures. We just 3 manned the boss instead of handing out 1.5mil to people from another faction we barely know. If it were a full faction run or our static squad it woulda gone 6ways. ONOZ T3H GREED. Gimme a break.
I don't tend to run in PUGs no, but that doesn't mean I have a problem getting a random or two if no guildies or friends are available at time.
And I am in a faction that's mostly 100 and up. How on earth does that relate to anything though? It's gonna magically give me 50 5apsers friends and wizzies with +12 weapons like it did to you?
I have friends outside the faction as well, and squads are usually a mix and match of the two. Again however, if no one is available at the time, or if we want to avoid a squad of 5 clerics and a barb, or a cleric and 5 barbs, we'll get a random dd or two to fill the gap. ONOZ TEH GREED.
Honestly, gtfo your little 5aps throne. It got to your head.b:byeb:dirty0 -
MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »What does your 500 runs got anything to do with what i said? What does how hard the boss is got to do with what I said? And how much does it tax your group? If it goes over the price of 2 raptures, then you can say you have a loss of profit, but then your group is truly fail. b:chuckle lrntoreadandcomprehend XD
You basically said two things. A) Key quests are not all that common.
Random **** about why you want to keep lowbie molds when you run FBs.
Here, since you can't comprehend.... My 500 runs is relevant to the 20+ 99 key quests I have done. So I've done about 1 key quest for about every 20-25 runs I've done. Sure, that's not all that common, but that's not all that rare either, relating to your mindless point about unlimited keys and unlimited people ****. Go away. Point B proves my point. You're greedy. You're so stupid you confuse yourself. Go away. b:byeNinnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »And yours isn't? I'm sure you're at 5aps in +10 gear and a +11 weapon because you're a good Samaritan that goes around helping people 24/7 taking nothing in return. Hypocrite much?
Hypocrite? Ok, you want a documented resume? /facepalm
*checks guild spreadsheet* I've done 164 guild Nirvana runs... I'm at 1289 points, it takes 1000 points to get a piece of gear. I'm not going for a second piece but I continue to do guild runs. So that means I've given away almost 30% of a 2nd cast piece of armor to another guildie. My time, charm and repairs are not covered by guild funds.
I've done 160 world bosses. I've tanked at least 20% of those. My charm and repair bills were not covered by guild. I do them so guildies can get perfect shards for their armor and weapons. I've taken 1 perfect amber shard. To be fair I did transfer some points to CoA points so I could get my alt veno a CoA ring, but I still have lots of points left over. I have enough points remaining to get a fully set of armor fully sharded with perfect citrines. I don't take them. The immaculates in my armor are fine with me until I can get vit stones. Greedy is me not taking them so other guildies can have them, right?
I also do multiple culti runs for guildies and friends. Charm costs and repairs are not covered by guild. *shrug*We did a normal 6 man Nirvana run with 3 randoms. We finished the run, split the loot, random lefts, and the 3 of us went back for the boss, and split the 2 raptures among ourselves. Where exactly am I justifying anything? And what exactly in this scenario makes me greedy? Do tell please. I fail to see it.
Your idiotic TT=Nirvana argument countered:
In Nirvana the equivalent of 'subs' are paid for in the beginning with each person's key, while the key boss takes one individuals 99 keys. If you wanted to say that a 6 man squad needed to provide 105 subs to open, 5 people providing one sub and one person providing 99, you'd still expect to get an even split? Of course you wouldn't.Although I will admit to being a bit of an ****, and going back for the boss with 2 friends only since I didn't wanna share with 3 other random people that did the run. We sold and split the usual drops (it was the usual "profit run"), then the 3 of us went back for the quest boss and split the 2 raps 3 ways.
Does not wanting to share with randoms make me greedy? =P
By your logic, yes it's greedy. Those 3 other people paid their keys to kill all the bosses. In that run you kicked them out, you kicked them out before the last boss was done. That's greedy.
So you're trying to justify 'oh splitting and sharing is fine' but you kick the subber out of 3-3 right before Illusion Lord so if Illusion Stone drops you don't have to spit it with them.
You can't have it both ways. Are you placing a value on the keys or not? Your logic is confusing at best. Just plain stupid at worst.
That's why your logic is horrible and your justification is weak.Again you're twisting my words around and seeing things that just aren't there.
No, you even went on to complain 'I don't have a 5aps squad and it takes me over an hour to do it, so I'm stuck with venos and wizards and tigers! Oh my!'
So what exactly did you mean when you're saying that? It sounded like you were saying that the time you put in is much more than TheDan, for example, so you can't really compare his way of doing it and yours. His being like mine, the key quester gets the drops, yours, they don't.
Your arguments are weak, your justifications are just plain ludicrous and you're not being consistent. And before you ask me to show you how you are... I think I've already done that in this post.
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The entire last half of the thread made me laugh. It is a big circle and someone(s) is trying to "win" when there is nothing to be won.
Let us narrow this down simplistically:
1) You can split the Raptures
2) You can let the 99 key quester keep the raptures
#1 or #2? You can decide with the squad before the key quest is exchanged and the Nirvana party starts. Has nothing to do with greed, selfishness etc...
In my experience, the quester received and kept the raptures. The squads had no issues with this and there were even a few 99 key quests back to back (it was 2x drops = 4 raptures :P). There were even a few where the quester offered to split and the squad said no as it was their 99 keys.
Note: This is the SAME type of "discussion" that ensues when you compare how different people run HH's. By need, by class, by want, random, etc. There is NO RIGHT OR WRONG, it is just how different camps see it in different ways. TBH, there are MANY things that are different in PvP servers then PvE and visa-versa.
Carry on with the round and round "discussion." I can promise you someone (b:kiss) will not stop in thinking they are right and everyone else hypocrites/stupid...this will only end when the thread gets closed...just an fyi. It is the same thing over and over...I am sure you get the point.
Have fun b:chuckleb:bye
PS -->Honestly, gtfo your little 5aps throne. It got to your head.b:bye
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RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »In my experience, the quester received and kept the raptures. The squads had no issues with this and there were even a few 99 key quests back to back (it was 2x drops = 4 raptures :P). There were even a few where the quester offered to split and the squad said no as it was their 99 keys.
I know we have our disagreements :P But I was on your 99 key quest run during double drops, we did do a back to back, and I would have refused if you offered to split. I still would. It's your 99 keys, it's your boss. What you get for summoning it and what you get from the quest when you turn it in, is yours. No argument from me because I'm greedy. b:chuckleI post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
lol this thread is hilarious.... b:chuckle
ps. i would never take anyone's drop from THEIR 99 key quest... they saved up 99 keys... there would be no point if they had to split it- they could just do normal runs b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »I know we have our disagreements :P But I was on your 99 key quest run during double drops, we did do a back to back, and I would have refused if you offered to split. I still would. It's your 99 keys, it's your boss. What you get for summoning it and what you get from the quest when you turn it in, is yours. No argument from me because I'm greedy. b:chuckle
Well beyond disagreements....but still guildies so anyways....
Yes, we did 3 I believe, maybe 4 and one person offered to split and we all refused. I remember it better bc dble drops was about to end and we were spamming them. And I would do it again with you or anyone else that would want to get that quest done.
I am in the camp that really believes the quester should get the raptures as it is their 99 keys. That is just me and I as a squad member would have no issues with that. Mainly because it is not but a few more minutes in an instance. You are already there and to kill one more boss = minimal resources....especially the 99 key boss. Now, I do know more then a few that will leave...let them...or even will not do if they do not have a cut = that's fine, I figure better to let them leave. BUT, this is why it is decided at the beginning before the 99 keys are turned in.
Pro tip though people --> DO NOT do the 99 key quest with randoms...do with people you know...
To each their own...I have more of an issue hearing about the HH drop distribution on some servers tbh...Rank order the "picks" or on pure random, even in 3-3 for golds -.- ....drives me nuts....ffs....b:shutup[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »Well beyond disagreements....but still guildies so anyways....
Yes, we did 3 I believe, maybe 4 and one person offered to split and we all refused. I remember it better bc dble drops was about to end and we were spamming them. And I would do it again with you or anyone else that would want to get that quest done.
I am in the camp that really believes the quester should get the raptures as it is their 99 keys. That is just me and I as a squad member would have no issues with that. Mainly because it is not but a few more minutes in an instance. You are already there and to kill one more boss = minimal resources....especially the 99 key boss. Now, I do know more then a few that will leave...let them...or even will not do if they do not have a cut = that's fine, I figure better to let them leave. BUT, this is why it is decided at the beginning before the 99 keys are turned in.
Pro tip though people --> DO NOT do the 99 key quest with randoms...do with people you know...
To each their own...I have more of an issue hearing about the HH drop distribution on some servers tbh...Rank order the "picks" or on pure random, even in 3-3 for golds -.- ....drives me nuts....ffs....b:shutup
You know, I know I'm an ****, but at the end of the day it's the internet. I'm sure people hold all sorts of grudges and stuff against me for my attitude and I have no problems with that, but I say what is on my mind and that's that. I'm actually quite the same IRL. lol
Anyway, yeah I would still do the same for you if you asked again. If I recall correctly I was already past being done doing runs but kept doing them cause people wanted to get those quests done before 2x was over.
I paid my 1 key to get my rewards (a normal Nirvana run) and the quester spent (1 key and helped me get my normal run + 99 more keys to get their special boss summoned).
The argument that has kept me here is funny. :P Either the keys have no value or they do. And no matter how I reword the question, they won't answer if their personal keys are of any value to them. Their time = effort so they will share theirs, but with the expectation that the people they go with do the same, or they'll leave. But if they do their own they'll kick out other members so they don't have to share. /headspin I have to admit analyzing all this and trying to pin them down is fun though. Sadly, more fun than PWI has been for a while. b:surrenderI post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »You know, I know I'm an ****, but at the end of the day it's the internet. I'm sure people hold all sorts of grudges and stuff against me for my attitude and I have no problems with that, but I say what is on my mind and that's that. I'm actually quite the same IRL. lol
You go overboard in some things you say...but know this, I do not have time for grudges and am not against you if you needed help in any way. It is called being a guildie...no more no less. Opinion is opinion....you just go pms postal more often then not.
Sadly, more fun than PWI has been for a while. b:surrender
The game can be AMAZINGLY boring and downloading/trying new games....It is sad, the game died (imo) not with Packs but with Hypers & Frost. Now there is a lot of being tabbed out.....Suc's though that most of the new games still have a few months at least until they are out = many ppl are riding out PW until then b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »You go overboard in some things you say...but know this, I do not have time for grudges and am not against you if you needed help in any way. It is called being a guildie...no more no less. Opinion is opinion....you just go pms postal more often then not.
lol, honestly I was quite shocked at your reaction, but eh whatever. There's a flip side to every coin. But, I think I love you. haha You rage, I rage... at least letting it out is healthier than holding it in.The game can be AMAZINGLY boring and downloading/trying new games....It is sad, the game died (imo) not with Packs but with Hypers & Frost. Now there is a lot of being tabbed out.....Suc's though that most of the new games still have a few months at least until they are out = many ppl are riding out PW until then b:surrender
Yeah... well quite a while ago I did tell you before PWI I was a forum *****... guess it's back to my roots for the time being. b:pleasedI post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »lol, honestly I was quite shocked at your reaction, but eh whatever. There's a flip side to every coin. But, I think I love you. haha You rage, I rage... at least letting it out is healthier than holding it in.
Yeah... well quite a while ago I did tell you before PWI I was a forum *****... guess it's back to my roots for the time being. b:pleased
Raging can be healthy but I was not raging....I had a "?" :P...But we both seem like the type to let it out versus talk **** and let it fester. *shrugs*
Anyways....yeah I have been doing a lot of work on other sites I mod and "own" = Zzzzz on some of them.
Sadly the new game entertainment are these forums...well in the past week since they have "lit up."
A lot of us have about 2 yrs invested in this game and to see it "dying" is frustrating and very much (imo) overboard. Things did not have to be like this. It is one thing to add things too slowly, it is another to add EVERYTHING within a month or two -.-
* Pro derailing of thread...Now I am back to the HH and TW threads since they have been an amazing source of entertainment to read in-between reports this morning b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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The game died when people realized there is nothing to do at level 100+ except:RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »You go overboard in some things you say...but know this, I do not have time for grudges and am not against you if you needed help in any way. It is called being a guildie...no more no less. Opinion is opinion....you just go pms postal more often then not.
The game can be AMAZINGLY boring and downloading/trying new games....It is sad, the game died (imo) not with Packs but with Hypers & Frost. Now there is a lot of being tabbed out.....Suc's though that most of the new games still have a few months at least until they are out = many ppl are riding out PW until then b:surrender
BH
Nirvana
HH
5 minute TWs
Also: random drops are pro, at least when you get an illusion stone all to yourself.
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Don't see a really good reason why the key person shouldn't be allowed to keep the drops from the extra boss. Any logical viewpoint leads to much the same thing, when talking about non-PUG runs.
If doing with a group of friends or guildies, what does it matter? Guess what, eventually it comes around when they have their key quest and they get the exact same benefit. Absolutely no difference money/drop-wise from splitting then and there. Only difference is it prevents issues of needing to keep a static group to keep it fair with each person benefiting from keys. Fairness advantage maintained by key user getting drops.
Casual player vs. heavy player in same faction. If some people are farming Nirvana normal mode more often, then they do the 99 quest less. They would gain more from splitting someone else's 99, but do they really need it? They already are getting more at a time from sheer number of runs, it does seem a bit of a greedy aspect to want even more when they are already getting plenty. It's not like it's a whole heck of a lot of extra time.
Pretty much knew it would become an issue on the first day, and have been just building up keys since. A couple of my old faction had decided we would static it, and key user got last boss drops to keep things fair. Time zone changes, RL issues, and leader raging kinda killed it, but still same idea I'd like to see. I've never been freaked out about losing 5 mins myself, in pretty much any instance.
As long as everything sums out to 0 in the long run, it simply doesn't matter how it was done. All to key quester is best method, as it prevents unnecessary complications of simple things while maintaining the same degree of fairness in the long run. So I really can't see why that wouldn't be the favored method, when talking about friend/faction runs.Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura
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Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »The game died when people realized there is nothing to do at level 100+ except:
BH
Nirvana
HH
5 minute TWs
Also: random drops are pro, at least when you get an illusion stone all to yourself. my HH99 plate
The game died with Hypers and Frost.
The issue is, and you even said this to me, what do 100+'s do? SO many think 100+ is the way to go...it can be AMAZINGLY boring. There is nothing to do really but farm HH, Nirvana, afk in Arch, tab out....Once ppl get to 100 they are in for a shock.
I for one have done all my quests, every instance, leveled the "right way" and took my time. Legit as I call it. To each their own, but you miss SO much of the game. I mean hell, on a PvP server there is about zero PvP, everyone is in instances or in Arch.....I will forever be one of those 100+ that WISHES things were still like it was a year ago.
As much as I raged....level 30+'s SHOULD be getting killed 57585435465 when trying to quest. FFS I know I did...but is was a challenge and in hind site fun. The grinding, the zehns, the fbs in wc, the joy of getting to +5 with Beautiful shards b:chuckle
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RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »Raging can be healthy but I was not raging....I had a "?" :P...But we both seem like the type to let it out versus talk **** and let it fester. *shrugs*
Anyways....yeah I have been doing a lot of work on other sites I mod and "own" = Zzzzz on some of them.
Sadly the new game entertainment are these forums...well in the past week since they have "lit up."
A lot of us have about 2 yrs invested in this game and to see it "dying" is frustrating and very much (imo) overboard. Things did not have to be like this. It is one thing to add things too slowly, it is another to add EVERYTHING within a month or two -.-
* Pro derailing of thread...Now I am back to the HH and TW threads since they have been an amazing source of entertainment to read in-between reports this morning b:chuckle
Yeah it sucks; things didn't have to go this way.... This is what happened in my previous game that I played for 5-6 years and it drove all my friends out until I eventually left it too. My friends are all I have left in this game; no more TW or PvP to keep me entertained. I'm just kind of in that denial stage again... "NO this isn't happening... I've invested way too much time into this game. @#($!@#^&*@^#$! /rage" I'm kind of just curious as to where everyone will go if things don't get fixed soon as I wanna stay in touch with my friends and keep gaming. b:surrender
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The person with 99 keys will get a chest of cannies for the reward for his/her own. In addition there are 2 raptures drop from killing the 99 keys boss as well.
1) If you think people you go with are friend/faction mate, lets sharse that 2 raptures drop all together. They are your friends after all.
2) If you think share that 2 raptures is not fair and want to keep for yourself:
-Option 1 is keep your 99 keys
-Option 2 is find a squad and specify that you want the the 2 raptures at the addition boss.
Then I wish your best luck. I am sure your friends with always agree and/or willing to help you out with that, but imagine you go with others untrusted lol.
-My conclusion is: Hey it is your friends after all, they are there for you so lets sharse that extra 2 raptures drop. You cant just keep for yourself but you ever think that is litle selfish of you?
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TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »Yeah it sucks; things didn't have to go this way.... This is what happened in my previous game that I played for 5-6 years and it drove all my friends out until I eventually left it too. My friends are all I have left in this game; no more TW or PvP to keep me entertained. I'm just kind of in that denial stage again... "NO this isn't happening... I've invested way too much time into this game. @#($!@#^&*@^#$! /rage" I'm kind of just curious as to where everyone will go if things don't get fixed soon as I wanna stay in touch with my friends and keep gaming. b:surrender
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^ 100% agree b:sad
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How the hell did a "general" topic turn into two servers fighting over who is greedier?If you disregard what I say because of who I am or because of the contents of what I said, you are a fool.
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Don't know if its been suggested but what about Doing this:
2 runs, 1 99 key quest
Everyone EXCEPT the person who does the 99 Key quest gets the split from bosses
99 Key person gets the 2 raptures + 10 uncanny from their quest
That sound fair?
2 runs should be enough to get a split for 5 people and everyone is happy. It might even eliminate greedy people from joining the squad because they'd probably want a split of your 99 key quest.Originally Posted by Curses - Harshlands
Sidenote: hilarious name for a boat: "Yeah Buoy".
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Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »Hypocrite? Ok, you want a documented resume? /facepalm
By this point I will admit that I started thinking of you as an idiot but hey, it's all fun and games right?*checks guild spreadsheet* I've done 164 guild Nirvana runs... I'm at 1289 points, it takes 1000 points to get a piece of gear. I'm not going for a second piece but I continue to do guild runs. So that means I've given away almost 30% of a 2nd cast piece of armor to another guildie. My time, charm and repairs are not covered by guild funds.
Mikey want a cookie?I've done 160 world bosses. I've tanked at least 20% of those. My charm and repair bills were not covered by guild. I do them so guildies can get perfect shards for their armor and weapons. I've taken 1 perfect amber shard. To be fair I did transfer some points to CoA points so I could get my alt veno a CoA ring, but I still have lots of points left over. I have enough points remaining to get a fully set of armor fully sharded with perfect citrines. I don't take them. The immaculates in my armor are fine with me until I can get vit stones. Greedy is me not taking them so other guildies can have them, right?
Same here. I left my original faction twice (first time it was because I quit game for an extended period of time, the 2nd time there was a fallout because of a moronic change in leadership but that's another story). Point being each time I left behind well over a hundred DKP points which translate into a full set of citrine/garnet sharded gear. Not to mention that I organized most of said WB hunts for a couple of months before I left the faction for good the 2nd time around.I also do multiple culti runs for guildies and friends. Charm costs and repairs are not covered by guild. *shrug*
Again, same here. Done more runs than I care to remember, both culti and TT farming runs where I took nothing because others needed it for gear whereas I had mine already. While my repair bill may not be as high as yours, I eat up mana just as fast if not faster than your repair bill grows. And this goes back before mp food was even released and an mp charm was considered the cheapest source of mana.
Like I said, you don't know me, don't even begin to try and judge me. Holier than thou attitude may work in your head, but that's just about the only place it holds any ground whatsoever.Your idiotic TT=Nirvana argument countered:
In Nirvana the equivalent of 'subs' are paid for in the beginning with each person's key, while the key boss takes one individuals 99 keys. If you wanted to say that a 6 man squad needed to provide 105 subs to open, 5 people providing one sub and one person providing 99, you'd still expect to get an even split? Of course you wouldn't.
Waitwut? Where did I advertise that someone should be getting a bigger split in Nirvana or otherwise?
To quote myself:Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote:You get to keep your raptures and your friends get to keep theirs.
I on the other hand, have been on several 99 key runs (before I did my own) where the people doing the quest shared the 2 raptures with the squad. When it was my turn, I did the exact same thing.
Comes down to same thing really. Getting 3 mil in one go or 6 times 500k if you run with a relatively static squad, which I assume you do.
Lrn2readBy your logic, yes it's greedy. Those 3 other people paid their keys to kill all the bosses. In that run you kicked them out, you kicked them out before the last boss was done. That's greedy.
So you're trying to justify 'oh splitting and sharing is fine' but you kick the subber out of 3-3 right before Illusion Lord so if Illusion Stone drops you don't have to spit it with them.
Yet more fail on your part.
(as in used up another key in doing so). No one got kick or screwed, cept you in the headNinnuam - Sanctuary wrote:We did a normal 6 man Nirvana run with 3 randoms. We finished the run, split the loot, random lefts, and the 3 of us went back for the boss.
Ever done a 2-3 run with a squad that didn't want to do AE and you saved the instance and got some guildies in for that one boss? Same thing really.You can't have it both ways. Are you placing a value on the keys or not? Your logic is confusing at best. Just plain stupid at worst.
That's why your logic is horrible and your justification is weak.
No, you're just being an internet moron from your sig that refuses to see a point other than his own.No, you even went on to complain 'I don't have a 5aps squad and it takes me over an hour to do it, so I'm stuck with venos and wizards and tigers! Oh my!'
So what exactly did you mean when you're saying that? It sounded like you were saying that the time you put in is much more than TheDan, for example, so you can't really compare his way of doing it and yours. His being like mine, the key quester gets the drops, yours, they don't.
Mixing apples and oranges again.
Can't be arsed to quote myself a 3rd time so allow me to reiterate my point.
Other people I've done 99 key quest runs with before I did my own did theirs by splitting the raptures among the squad. I did the same, willingly, without even thinking about keeping them all for myself.
Had the other people kept their raptures to themselves, I would have taken THAT as a norm, and done the same.
5aps or otherwise, has absolutely nothing to do with it. More of a monkey see monkey do thing. *awaits a witty retort*
What I DID indirectly say however, that your 164 5 minute nirvana runs are equivalent to 13 of my own that take an hour. Like I said, not everyone is blessed with their own little clique of 5apser farmers they like to call friends.
So in a nutshell, you spend 13 hours in Nirvana for a piece of Nirvana gear and have uncannies left to spare. I (I as in everyone who is not a part of 5apser cliques, including your guildies which you helped oh so much) spend 13 hours in Nirvana for 13 uncannys.
Of course a key has it's value, time invensted has an even bigger one. At least in my book.Your arguments are weak, your justifications are just plain ludicrous and you're not being consistent.
And you're just being plain idiotic.
And before you ask me to show you how you are... I think I've already done that in this post.
Need I quote myself a 4th time? Oh no wait, RedsRose already did. b:byeb:dirty0 -
Hey guys, chill on the flames :< I don't want my idea to drown in the sea of flames. Re-quoted for feedbackCrescendia - Harshlands wrote: »Don't know if its been suggested but what about Doing this:
2 runs, 1 99 key quest
Everyone EXCEPT the person who does the 99 Key quest gets the split from bosses
99 Key person gets the 2 raptures + 10 uncanny from their quest
That sound fair?
2 runs should be enough to get a split for 5 people and everyone is happy. It might even eliminate greedy people from joining the squad because they'd probably want a split of your 99 key quest.Originally Posted by Curses - Harshlands
Sidenote: hilarious name for a boat: "Yeah Buoy".
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Crescendia - Harshlands wrote: »Hey guys, chill on the flames :< I don't want my idea to drown in the sea of flames. Re-quoted for feedback
Flaming is fun. And your idea fails because we're all greedy xD
And you're on an oracle, hyper stone, cash shop infested server. Therefore you are a noob and your opinion is irrelevant.
Oh and you're a veno, and everyone hates venos coz they can solo TT.b:dirty0 -
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If it works for people.
Dunno...each thinks of this in their own way. Either split or don't b:surrender
Like Michael said (think it was him)...what value do you place on your keys?
I myself too do not see 5 (maybe) extra minutes to kill a boss for someone and let them have the items that drop BECAUSE OF THE KEYS....ijs
*shrugs*[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Greedy people calling other greedy. Way to go.
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Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »You basically said two things. A) Key quests are not all that common. Random **** about why you want to keep lowbie molds when you run FBs.
Here, since you can't comprehend.... My 500 runs is relevant to the 20+ 99 key quests I have done. So I've done about 1 key quest for about every 20-25 runs I've done. Sure, that's not all that common, but that's not all that rare either, relating to your mindless point about unlimited keys and unlimited people ****. Go away. Point B proves my point. You're greedy. You're so stupid you confuse yourself. Go away. b:bye
I said they key quests are not common. Did I say anything about it being rare? And just read your post again, you are the one confused. You have not explained anything you stated. Just because your messed up logic can comprehend what you said doesn't mean everyone can. And how does B prove your point? You have absolutely no knowledge on that topic, so just shush and go sit in the corner like a good boy. I can tell because you keep repeatedly making my question to you a statement. b:thanks0 -
Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »Flaming is fun. And your idea fails because we're all greedy xD
And you're on an oracle, hyper stone, cash shop infested server. Therefore you are a noob and your opinion is irrelevant.
Oh and you're a veno, and everyone hates venos coz they can solo TT.
I guess my idea would eliminate people like you? b:pleased also, who does 99 keys quests? People who don't have a chance to do Nirvana regularly. Nice people u got on sanctuary there. I hope not everyone is like you b:chuckleRedsRose - Lost City wrote: »^
If it works for people.
Dunno...each thinks of this in their own way. Either split or don't b:surrender
Like Michael said (think it was him)...what value do you place on your keys?
I myself too do not see 5 (maybe) extra minutes to kill a boss for someone and let them have the items that drop BECAUSE OF THE KEYS....ijs
*shrugs*
Well, Uncannies are about 550K on harshlands server. Lets say I get 1 uncanny per two runs. I would make about 27M on uncannies alone per 99 keys that I use on individual runs (not counting splits on raptures if we sell them). With that same math on a 99 Key quest, I'd make 5.5M (Not counting the 2 raptures). Not everyone does the 99 Key quest and I think greedy people want the 99 Quest share, no matter how you look at it b:cuteOriginally Posted by Curses - Harshlands
Sidenote: hilarious name for a boat: "Yeah Buoy".
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Crescendia - Harshlands wrote: »and I think greedy people want the 99 Quest share, no matter how you look at it b:cute
Not everyone...imo there is some value to to 99 keys being used for a quest.
I put it in the same category as wining an instance and being able to call a mold that may drop. Depends on the squad and who you run with. I personally will wine any dungeon for free and in the case of well selling molds (maybe Cape of Elite Leather), I will gladly take and give to a faction mate that needs or sell and split. Why? Because the 7+ mill from the cape is no where near the pennies for the wines and it is only fair. Also, I have no issue with ppl calling their class books as long as they will use them and not sell. It works and works well. Others who wine will keep the drop for themselves, such as the other night when Sage IH dropped, the person who wined asked and kept the book to sell for himself. No arguments in either case, as all was stated and easily agreed upon before starting.
It is all in who you run with. On LC I know of maybe, MAYBE a handful that would even consider asking for a share of the 2 raptures. Otherwise, it is common to let the quester have them as part of his/her quest. It is 5 extra minutes to me and nothing exciting or taxing about the boss. No extra resources used imo.
Oh and everything from the run is still split evenly as the 99 Key quester helped on the other bosses. b:cute[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Where is my 1 v 1 Kan? b:mischievous0
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