Barb versus BM 5.0

Actually someone posted the damage output difference somewhere on the boards (can't remember where) and stated that Barbs actually have a little bit more damage at 5 aps than BMs due to our wood buff. Somewhere around 15-30 more damage if I remember.

truekossy wrote: »

Assuming the barb doesn't buff the BM, the Barb will actually have greater damage.

Poison Fang is self buff only. Doesn't affect other players in squad.

I'll assume that you would want a toon to PvP with (I've followed your posts in Archers forums). The comparison between a 5.0 aps barb and BM leads to the kind of target they've. If the target/victim is an HA then the barb would do slightly (I'll post the figures later, don't have them on the current PC) more damage than the BM since we've our Poison Fang which does elemental damage.

But I'll assume that you would want to use your toon WITH SKILLS instead of swinging arms at 5.0 aps. So these are the pros and cons:

Pros:

1. Beastial Onslaught (free 35% crit for 6 seconds) - if the target is stunned and this skill is proc'd, then you will have around 60% crit for 6 seconds (with fists) - barb becomes more like a sin.

2. Mighty Swing - 60% chance to stun but never miss skill.

3. Armageddon - use this skill after B.O (when the target is stunned) and if it crits or zerks then you will be left with too little of victim's HP (if any) or a charm tick and you can claw your way to your victim's demise.

4. High HP

5. If you feel that you are losing a match then use a skill to grant immunity and annoy your attacker or buy some time.

The rest of the passive skills combine to give us about the same attack power as that of the BMs. The tiger skills aren't worth mentioning since you have to illegally glitch to get to the form with claws. If you still want the advantages then, HUGE HP and pdef gain, Reduces pdef by 50% for 15 seconds (use it with Mire to make quite an impact), Sunder to get 5 seconds of pure CRITS.

Cons: 1. No chain stunning skills. If we can't keep a person stunned (with Swing and Occult Ice) then we might lose the edge and in many cases the match.

2. Only one ulti with 2 sparks and is a huge risk.

3. No amplifying skill to increase the damage of TE 4 folds and one shot mages b:surrender

If you are looking for a pure strategic fist user whose kills depend on his use of a chain of skills, then a BM is the right way to go.

If you like instance-farming, tanking WBs for profits and also looking for a fist user with whom you have a chance to one shot alot of other classes, yet have the survivability to run away or tank attacks, then go level your barb to 100 b:pleased

Cirax - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I think he meant as long as the BM doesn't get the Strength of the Titans buff. From what I'm seeing in this thread, if a barb and bm only have their own buffs, then the barb would do a little more damage over time.

Ah, gotcha.

Well techinically you can't use tiger form with fists, only with axes or unarmed, so no.


However, there is a way to swtich to tiger form with claws equipped, and I'll just leave it at that.

truekossy wrote: »

Pretty much this.

The only way you could get 5.0 in tiger is via abusing a bug, which is bannable.

Heh, there are two ways to do it...but both can get you banned, so uh, don't do it.

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

We will also get more HP per vit so we will general have more of an HP pool then a BM, and we will get more phys def from vit stones etc.

BM will always have more Phy Def (Alter Marrow Physical)

HippiePanda - Sanctuary wrote: »

BM will always have more Phy Def (Alter Marrow Physical)

There is a downside to that. Their mdef goes way down when using marrow. If a BM is stupid enough to use that when fighting me, I just slap them with thunderstorm and watch them drop like a stone.

And the BMs honestly don't use balance?


Or even use bell's phys def boost + magic marrow?


Wow... those BMs must be pretty terribad.