Hostility towards cashshoppers

Why is this posted on the veno board?

Also, envy etc. Though, I only hate stupid people who spend oodles of cash on awesome gear, then fail miserably at playing their class. Such awesome equipment is wasted on them.

Yea....why is this posted on the veno board?

Kirstena - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Also, who are they to determine the money I spent is a waste? I get paid for my work in rl, then I pay for ingame items because I feel like it instead on wasting on booze and smokes (which IMO is a bigger waste of money but that is my personal pov).*

Like I said in the herc thread, it's because of people using their standards to judge other people's actions. They either can't afford to spend money on the game, or don't think it's worth spending money on, so they conclude that anybody who spends money on the game is a dope. All the time forgetting that some people can easily afford to drop a couple $hundred on a game, or think the game is worth spending money on.

There also seems to be a group of people who thinks everything should be fair, and nobody should be able to buy their way to an advantage over other players. Nothing wrong with that, but the type of MMORPG for them already exists - they have a monthly subscription fee so everyone pays the same amount and gets the same treatment. If you want to play for free like in this game, you either have to learn to deal with the inherent advantage people who pay will have over you; or you need to find a private server subject to the whims of the owner, who may decide his electricity bill is too high and shut down the server taking all your hard-earned levels and gear with it.

You know it's like I just told another player the other day when he asked why I would spend real money on pixels that are usless:

It's MY money. If I want to spend it on this particular game rather than a $400 game system with 4 or 5 $70 games then that's my perogative. And frankly who do you think you are that I have to justify to you what I spend MY money on?

What's worthless to you is valuable to me. Worth and value are subjective to each individual.


And then of course they got offended. QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ. Who cares. Step off and mind your own business. Seriously. That's all that needs to be said cash shop QQers.

LOL stupid..why care about what other waste their life on...ITS NOT UR PROB..ITS their own prob..If they want waste bills on kid game..its theiir prob not any1 else..

b:laughim not the1 how waste my real life for a kid game...i play only 2hr a day for fun..uh

Random Observation: Posting this here may have been due to the fact Venos have had a longer rep as a 'cashshoppers' class, due to herc and nix being available long before packs and gear, and we're the big 'overpowered' item of those days. Or maybe not...but it sounded logical in my head. XD;;;

On topic: My logic is the same as most that have already posted; not hating on the spending itself, but on the lack of skill/braincells/consideration for those that don't have the same luxury.

Please explain lack of consideration? How are they different from the people who raced to level doing anything but actually playing the game (WQ, CS, Hyper FF), or the people that are just to lazy to do anything but spam heal or venemous?

If you hate the way someone plays, hate 'em for that. Otherwise it just seems like jealousy to me.

LifeHunting - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Squeaktoy: yep, like accelerator on HT. She can't play her class worth a ****, and yet all her gear is damn amazing

completed a full RB with accelerator and exegesis (no wiz or archer) and it was one of the smoothest deltas i've ever done.

you sound like a jealous tool, and explode with envy every time you see accel cause you know you'll never be able to get that caliber of gear. as evidenced by your sig. not one chip or coin towards your goal in since you made it your sig. Haters be hating, sorry about your fail, but its not accel's fault. b:bye

A lot of people online are very nosy and envious. They don't like to see you have anything good, if they don't have it, or if you didn't work equally hard for it as they did. I just let them assume the worst, while keeping my means of obtaining stuff in this game a secret.

sleepcat wrote: »

Because of condescending attitudes like that from some cash shoppers I guess?

It's not condescending, it's a statement of fact. The cash shoppers do keep the game running, allowing others to play for free. And if you can't afford to pay for things in this game, the only way to fix that is to change what's going on in your life. Asking PWE to give you all the cool stuff the cash shoppers are getting, while still keeping the game free is a non-functional business model for them.

And the only time I've heard that point brought up is in response to free players complaining about cash shoppers. I've never seen a cash shopper bring it up unprovoked (at least until this thread), indicating the condescension is actually on the part of the free players thinking that cash shoppers are somehow inferior because they "have to resort to" spending money on the game. Kirstena did bring up a very good point: Cash shoppers don't call free players losers or leechers. But for some reasons free players like to complain about cash shoppers.

I like what one non cash shopper said once: that the good merchs blow the cash shoppers away with only a few exceptions on the server.

Good thing people can't tell what skin, eye, and hair color we have in RL because we'd find hate for those also. b:laugh

_aMiHaN_ - Archosaur wrote: »

Imagine that all players are spending real money, there will be no jealousy because they can get what others have at the same time the developers will be happy. b:surrender

P2P games is better on these case
Everyone is equal there, we can avoid jealous people (at last peope only jealous on achievement)

If only there a P2P game on my country b:surrender (currency problems)

Reshanta - Sanctuary wrote: »

P2P is no good though.. charge for less fun and all you get a bunch of nerfs and even more unhappy players. The mess you and everyone else complains about does NOT hold a candle to P2P stuff, I can assure you of that.

I've had more fun in this game than the other 3 MMOs I play which are P2P combined..

I am happy to find someone who enjoy these game purely, have fun. b:victory

Kirstena - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Why are there so many players who will go out of their way just to berate/insult players who paid rl cash for ingame items?

Do they not know those are also the players who are paying for the upkeep plus etc fees for the servers, payrolls of staffs, rents and stuffs?

Also, who are they to determine the money I spent is a waste? I get paid for my work in rl, then I pay for ingame items because I feel like it instead on wasting on booze and smokes (which IMO is a bigger waste of money but that is my personal pov).*

I hope those players that are playing this for free remember it is the paying users here that is keeping the game free for them. It is your own problem/choice that you don't want/can't afford to pay for the ingame items, but stop saying that paying money for them is a waste. Just as most of us who pay aren't calling you, players who don't/won't/can't pay, names like losers/leechers/freeloaders/etc. b:angry
/end rant

well some ppl demand others to have expensive stuff and lvl faster at the same time... imo this is only possible with cash shop. if we can't keep up to their "demandings" they call us fail. sorry but some ppl call indirectly fail to non cash shopers. and yes if i had to choose between wasting rl money in alcool/smoke and this game i'd soooo chose the game XD (i care about my health lol).

Kirstena - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sorry for posting this under the forum subforum but from reading on all the classes' forums, most of the hostilities stems from here. Mostly against Hercules owners and maybe some gear shoppers. Also when they go on ranting about how a hercless veno can fair better than a fail herc veno, have they even wonder what if they themselves and the herc veno are of equal standing in terms of skills and gears but the opposition have a herc? And most of those that are complaining have to stop kidding yourself. Sop saying stuffs like you can do things the herc owner can't when what you have can also be obtained by the said herc owner too, without paying rl money to boot too.

well the herc issue is a very old thing... if venos wanna lvl fast they don't have enough time to work on a herc, considering they r going to obtain it from ig coin, when they r expected to get an herc by lvl90+ or no cool squads for them... that's almost a csing demanding (i only say almost cause u can always slow down on ur lvling, grind and get 90mil to pay an herc (my server herc cost)), since u will be called "fail" by some ppl if u don't lvl fast. again those venos r indirectly called fail by non csing.

u better don't rage about this cause there r always both sides. u r on the cs side, i for example am on the non csing side (only spent 20€ in almost 2 yearsXD). we both get flamed... it hapens... life's like this

XmasBunny_ - Archosaur wrote: »

if u r free to spend rl money (cause u certainly are), then i am free to NOT spend, nthing wrong with my life really, that was a bad use of words imo, besides some ppl CAN afford but don't want to spend their money periode.

No, I picked those words carefully. If you can't afford to pay for things in the game, then you need to fix something up in your life IMHO. If you can afford to, it doesn't matter whether or not you choose to pay for things in game.

This is a philosophical note, but I think everyone should strive in life to earn enough money to afford their necessities, plus a little something extra for entertainment. If you're only able to earn enough to barely cover your necessities, then I would say your financial situation is not ideal, and you should look into improving your situation so you can afford a bit more.

and i am amazed by seeing 2 ppl (sorry if there were more, didn't notice) stating that cash sopers don't call fail/loosers/whatever to non cash shopers. i already talked about this in my last post... some ppl call us fail if we lvl slowly.

Only indirectly has to do with spending money on the game. Correlation is not causation.

now lets consider some ppl only play 2 hours a day cause of school/work/rl responsabilities/whatever and some1 from those ppl want to lvl fast so it won't be called "fail":

There's a saying I came up with back when I was playing EQ. Everyone who is higher level than you needs to get a life. Everyone who is lower level than you is a clueless noob. The point being, that everyone thinks their rate of leveling is the correct rate, and that people who level both faster or slower are somehow "doing it wrong".

There is no "correct" leveling rate, just level at whatever rate you find comfortable. (This is also another long-standing gripe I've had with the leveling system in modern MMOs. It forces RL friends to stay around the same level if they want to play together. Ideally, one person spending an extra weekend playing the game shouldn't make it harder for the friend who didn't get to play that weekend.)

the only option is bhing to death! with 2 hours a day, how can they do much more than finding a squad and making the full bh run? so u see no time for grinding or tt or whatever they get their coin from and for merchanting u need like a mil to start with (perfectly earnable from grinding but again we r talking about ppl that bh). do u see where i wanna get? in these cases, the only option is to cs so they can sell gold to pay skills, repairs and stuff, other way they will be REALLY fail cause they r underskilled, undergeared (and in veno case, they will have underlvled pets). so how can u tell csers don't call non csers "fail"? and sorry but this is a true story, i've seen it happening with me and other ppl.

All that is more a matter of finding a good faction. While the game certainly can be played alone, it really isn't meant to be played that way. If it were, it'd be a single-player game, not an MMO. A good faction will go a long ways to helping you run BH without having to look for a squad, doing TT runs to help you with your gear, and reduce your repair bills by spreading out the costs between squadded players. They can even help you out with merchanting (they can suggest prices for your cat shop).

The high amount of coin needed for skills is a result of the 2x exp everyone is so ga-ga over. With 2x exp, you level up faster while getting 1x the amount of coin. So you get to the level where you can buy the skill upgrade, but you haven't earned enough coin to do it. I mostly leveled up before they recently went crazy with 2x exp, and the game really is pretty well balanced in terms of the coin you make in regular play if it's at 1x exp 1x drops, or 2x exp 2x drops. Unfortunately they've recently been doing a lot of 2x exp but 1x drops, which is **** over people like you. I can suggest a fix, but I don't think you'll like it: dump exp into genies to slow down your leveling rate.

idc if u spend ur rl money in game, maybe i'd waste more if i could, but pls ,for those out there that think we can/want all affort what u can/want, just sthu and mind ur own business too, we r not fail if we try to lvl slow so we can work to get what u got by the cs way. kthanksbye.

From what you've written, I think you're jumping to the conclusion that anyone who criticizes you for not leveling quickly enough, or not having a herc, or not having your skills leveled, that they're all complaining that you should cash shop. That's a specious conclusion I think.

P.S.: this kind of threads about csing vs non csing and herc vs non herc should stop. i am tired of seeing this kind of hate on foruns and it only results on more hate. if u don't like when they flame u about csing tell them in the face, no need for threads really, and if they don't listen just get over it cause they r kids if they can't understand that different ppl make different choices.

Hmm. I've always believed getting these sorts of things out in the open will help people reach a better understanding with each other and hopefully stop hating each other over these things. If you leave it unsaid, it's still there. Pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make it go away.