Will Perfect World Survive the winter?

My bad, i do sometimes forget open beta is as good as officially released nowadays (is PW officially launched btw?) and my argument isn't about the quality of the game per se. It could be argued few others game offer little more content, and many much less. The point about server depopulation should take into acount many variables such as seasonal activity and retention rates for players who will come back after having tried other games. The game is well within playable limits as far as finding people for squads goes even if classes are terribly unbalanced. Now, PvP involves different factors but with oportunity being the biggest factor (as most well geared high levels can one-two shot each other) is no wonder many aren't as enthusiastic about it. MMOs do have a life cycle, i'm just not convinced we are at the end of ours. And once again, i will require hard evidence. Until servers are merged there's no reason to actually believe the game will be shutting down in a 5-6 month period.

REPENT REPENT THE END IS NEIGH! FOR SOME RANDOM NON DISCRIPT PLAYER SAID SO!!!!!

RUN ALL YE SINNERS AND MASSOCHISTS! RUN AND SAVE YE-SELVES FOR THE WRATH OF WINTER IS UPON US!!!!!!

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMSDAY!!!!!!!!


Yea I payed about as little attention to doomsday prophets as I do to people who spout things like this on forums, mostly giggling to myself and saying BUH-Bye! Enjoy your Immortal hell!

kenlee wrote: »

want numbers?

ok, before PWI was here subscriptions numbers in 2008 (this is for 200k+ subscriptions)

how are these numbers in 2010?
subscription numbers for mmo (1mil+ subscriptions)
subscription numbers for mmo (150k+ subscriptions)

numbers of concurrent players isnt far from that, just more korean games and some others that you probably never heard of it. you can argue with numbers all day long, do you know where PW is? 50th place or something. did you ever tried to build a PW server? see how many numbers of players can reach till no login limit? then multiply that number with 7 (number of pwi servers). not to mention that archosaur and raging tide are like dead plus some others. do you have a pw china account? i do have, i can take ss from all servers, all are almost empty. see how many facebook accounts were made just to get to that limit?

and if you care to read it wasnt ***, care to read kiddo?

Dude, it is apparently you that can't read. I asked for evidence the company was doing bad, which obviously you believe market share to be the indicator of, even if i was to believe your numbers for PW to which you give no source, you've prove nothing. PW might be number 3,000 of all MMOs in population for all i care, AS LONG AS IT'S MAKING A PROFIT. You don't care for hard evidence. No, i've never attempted to open a private server nor a PW China account. Now, let's say you're right for a minute and that PW China is close to shutting down and servers in North America are mostly half empty. We would be getting a notice that we shouldn't expect any more updates and server merges in what? 2-3 months. Notice is not PWI that's folding, just PW. Because this game has attracted large numbers of heavy cash shoppers they simply won't vanish their accounts, and will try persuasion to get this people to move to their other games. With the number of people currently commited to the game that won't just leave 1 or 2 servers can be kept running at a profit (not just limping along, but bringing in good cash). That's 1-2 years. That's the time i need to accomplish what i want with my char. I went to visit the RT and Archo forums and couldn't find a single thread qqing about servers being empty. Not one. Don't you think i would find some warning or complaint if the servers really were ghost towns? My server still does seem to have a healthy population. And what rumours i have heard from China is the game continues to be adjusted to fight botting and that TW payments will now be done in mirages instead of coins. Both are adjustments a company shutting a game within months would not bother with.

YOU'RE A LIAR. You have nothing to back up this game shutting down in the next 5-6 months. Far from it, i think before they do pull the plug they will try a new expansion and we may even get a new server in the process. We've all got plenty of time to do what we want with our chars. And i'm not sorry i don't care about whatever game you come from or will be going to, i'll just be glad to see you and your fail attitude gone. b:bye

kenlee wrote: »

lol, where the hell did i said that pwi is shutting down? care to read a little? i said that overall pw population isnt that big and never aimed to steal a big part of other games (a**n for example) players like you said a few pages behind. in fact i only know a single mmo that was shut down. where did you get the idea that i said pw will shut down anyway? just that pwi isnt that big to compare itself with big mmos on the marked, there are some chinese mmos (f2p) that has more concurrent players than pw will ever get as registered. the point is again, you are comparing pwi with much bigger games

Well, if you're responding to a challenge to prove the game is in trouble, i would assume that to be your position. About the NcSoft game i brought it up because it was once claimed it would bury PW because it appealed to the same audience, which i think is not a contested point, and proved a good example of how this game could survive the big launches of other games, which was a part of the OP's argument about how this game would not survive the winter.

I never made a claim about the game being wildly succesful in terms of population, only about it being on financially sound terms, something which, i'll repeat, many of the big p2ps have not been able to achieve whatever numbers of players they may attract. From a gamer's point of view, i do believe this makes PW attractive if you want to invest your time on a long term project.

Although those numbers of active subscriptions are interesting to look at, you may have forgotten one big thing that I haven't seen in PWI. Bots and coin sellers. You log into some of those games and the first thing your chat fill up with are advertisements in plain view of the major towns of websites to buy in-game coin, power-leveling services, or rare/powerful items using real cash. I haven't been active on PWI myself, and have tried some of the other games out there, but the reality of the fact is that although the towns may not be crowded, at least they're not crowded with ad-bots. Would be a shame if 100k subscriptions are actually a couple of farming companies with multi-clienting tools and are always on farming and botting away, ne?

As far as the OP questioning the durability of this game, I'm sure it will survive. Admit it, no matter how good a title seems, there's always a flaw in it here or there. Whether it be bad GMs, bots, account hacking, glitches, bugs, etc....there's always going to be something about it someone is going to find and complain about. I played a certain NCSoft title for a few years and in the end, I couldn't fathom paying monthly to stand around town LFG to do something for hours and then getting to that one cool hunting spot that you set up the perfect group for only to find 1 Chinese guy controlling 8 toons killing everything in the joint. Great game, polished graphics, smooth skills, but....non-stop bots and no instances??? I'm so glad that game was open PvP, learned some colorful Chinese words from it too.

MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well, if you're responding to a challenge to prove the game is in trouble, i would assume that to be your position. About the NcSoft game i brought it up because it was once claimed it would bury PW because it appealed to the same audience, which i think is not a contested point, and proved a good example of how this game could survive the big launches of other games, which was a part of the OP's argument about how this game would not survive the winter.

I never made a claim about the game being wildly succesful in terms of population, only about it being on financially sound terms, something which, i'll repeat, many of the big p2ps have not been able to achieve whatever numbers of players they may attract. From a gamer's point of view, i do believe this makes PW attractive if you want to invest your time on a long term project.

I've also thought that game would dump on PWI. A lot of players quit pwi for it and at that point I wasn't playing pwi so I assumed the game was hanging by a thread.

Archers_Soul - Lost City wrote: »

I've also thought that game would dump on PWI. A lot of players quit pwi for it and at that point I wasn't playing pwi so I assumed the game was hanging by a thread.

I did try that game. Queues were just ridiculous on the first days (you literally had to leave you comp logged in 24/7) and the crowd was some of the worst i've seen. Leet e-sport geeks, *** fanboys and massive numbers of teenage girls... Who were most likely 40 year old males but weren't any less obnoxious for it. Once queues got under control and you could actually log on it was impossible to hold anything resembling a conversation because of RMT spammers. Also there were so much bots it almost felt like it was a Rise of the Machines MMO... Seriously, i thought about cool it would have sounded if someone told me as a child i would be fighting bots as an adult, the reality of it however...

It's long been rumoured that NcSoft is actually in on the RMT and getting a cut, and i saw nothing to convince me otherwise. The only really fun part was watching so many established guilds from other MMOs go down in flames as they tried to compete with one another.

Nowadays i think i'm settled here for good, my account has survived long periods of inactivity and it's comforting to know whatever i manage to accomplish in this game i'll likely get to keep for a long time to come.

With the kind of money some people throw at this game I think this game will still be alive years from now.

And I don't think PWE will suddenly shut it down either unless they want to rename to Forsaken World Entertainment >.>

Yes it will because it is the best F2P MMORPG I've found. Many others here can attest to that despite their complaints.

This game is unbeatable in many aspects. The F2P aspect with the cash shop economy continues to roll in money and dynamic markets. Yes this game has some balancing issues but in the end I still see charcters from every class. Yes dailies get monotonous but they are more like social events than hard gaming. yes people will leave but there will always be some who join and some who return. I have lost good friends to other games and the general "worsening" of pwi, but I have made new ones. Yes people now hit lvl 100 fast, but now they just level more characters. I'd have to make one suggestion for perfect world though, we need a shot in the arm with something really interesting. The last good update in my opinion was the genies one.

GHealz - Archosaur wrote: »

thats all
goin for content, its by FAR the worst

Then how come everyone who left for a**a and a**n come back within two months and say they finished it?

How many of these games have an open map as large as PW? I think a lot of things are outdated about PW, but it has far more of a lifespan than most of the other games out there that I've 'tried'.

so all ur saying is that PWI is here....cuz its flashy? and ppl are drawn to shiny graphics?
yes i have heard of conan cant seem to download the game yet.

Proski - Archosaur wrote: »

didn't churchill say pwi is the worst f2p mmorpg out there except for everything else thats been played

I loled at this... I even see in some forums of a P2P game where people QQ even more where you get cursed for killing because too many people killing lowbies in PVP where it was a PVPVE game... It turned around. I played some F2Ps and it was utter garbage.... There are way worse games than this one.

kenlee wrote: »

lol if they had 3k employees they shoud better do their fking job coz they are slacking a lot
why they need so many employees when the community itself is by far not that big than others?
just for your info... multiply 10mil players (its more actually and other games has millions too) with 15 bucks a month

If they did? PWE does have 3k employees. You seem to think PWI is this small rinky-dink company when they're really not. Since you're clueless about that, I have trouble taking whatever else you have to say seriously. You say that there aren't many players, but then how do they support so many staffers, and why is their stock doing so well?

pwi has a large map? its so damn tiny compared to many games. if you play a**n you shoudl know that it has far better maps/instances/whatever just that ppl quit coz they get ganked a lot and cant farm anything while in pw you can be on pvp server can can be 100 with best items and dont have to pvp at all

No I never left. I thought the graphics weren't all that special and I didn't want to pay a subscription fee. So you're saying a**n is so much better why? If it were so much better, most of the people who left for it wouldn't have come back. Most of them have, and it wasn't cause they were always getting ganked. That's BS.

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