Sage = TW and Demon = PK

CinnaStix - Harshlands
CinnaStix - Harshlands Posts: 37 Arc User
edited September 2010 in Arigora Colosseum
Agree or disagree? Here is what I think. Sage classes are oriented more for ultimate skills. They GENERALLY (not all the time)give a very good upgrade to all your ultimate skills as opposed to the other ones. Secondly they have chi gain skillls... This helps you gain the chi for chi using skills.. which are generally the most powerful... and 3rdly Sages often get a chance to not use chi for a skill or to use less chi... This helps the use of ultimates. Ultimate skills are usually generated to take down masses of people in either One or just a few strikes... Sage lets u use these skills not only more often, but more efficiently in terms of the amount of chi u use to get the skill going. These things are best for TW because you are going up against a large amount of people and if on person can do devastating dmg to a large amount of people.. It will help your team advance in this territory war. On to demon... Demon generally advances the power of skills in short bursts and crit rates. Demon weapon mastery skills ad crit rate to your attacks. Demon aura of Golden Bell gives an Extra whopping 75% Physical defense... but only for 15 seconds. It would seem that that skill is meant for maybe 1v1 fights due to the small amount of time it has and NOT long drawn out battles... which is how TW usually is. I also look at Sage barage... 33% less dmg seems like something for TW... esp. since they will be getting attacked by large amount of opponents... Considering they dont get stunned out of it first... Then i look at sage wizard... they have alot of VERY powerful ultimates... some of which use less chi... Once you go sage... it becomes possible to sutra and then do 2 your ultimates with NO CHANNEL TIME. Seems pretty powerful and TW oriented to me... Because only time you would really need that as a wizard end game... would be to take down masses of people.. or a crazy insane Barb with 35k hp or something... Well tell me what you think. b:pleased
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Demon armageddon > Sage armageddon
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  • Teppeii - Dreamweaver
    Teppeii - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,206 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Ive never ever seen a sage archer out do a demon archer in either pk or tw.
    On indefinite hiatus :3
  • CinnaStix - Harshlands
    CinnaStix - Harshlands Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Demon armageddon > Sage armageddon

    Barbarians in TW are meant to hold catapults. This is usually their main/best role. Barbs that aren't holding catapults i would think shud have a catapult scroll and be somewhere near the other one to hold the cata if the other person dies. I believe Sage true form adds more hp and defense than Demon. and sage archers? I have a friend dalesr who is a sage archer. What they do alot is Barrage inside TW and use bloodvow to kill off the barbs... Other than that Barrage is used to destroy the crystal cuz it does alot of dmg to it... and with 33% less dmg it is harder for them to be killed. Assuming they aren't stunned out of it
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Other than that Barrage is used to destroy the crystal cuz it does alot of dmg to it


    This is when it became painfully obvious you don't know what you're talking about.
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  • CinnaStix - Harshlands
    CinnaStix - Harshlands Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tP7XijDaAI
    Lol whatever u say... I dnt know what im talking about... look at the end of this TW in KY vs KD.... KD CLEARLY at the end of the battle had no catapults in Kylin's base... Watch the crystal HP... It was clearly going doing at a fast rate WITHOUT the catapults... Yes... I still don't know what I'm talking about. Earlier in the video you see just three archers doing barage on the crystal... Why? Because it does dmg... and it can also kill people if melee's get close to ur Barb/Catapult... But yes... I have no idea what i'm talking about.
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »


    This is when it became painfully obvious you don't know what you're talking about.

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  • CinnaStix - Harshlands
    CinnaStix - Harshlands Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/TW_Guides

    GO down to archer... and see how it clearly says archers will unleash their might arrow on the enemy crystal... If i still don't know what im saying by saying that archers barrage can do damage to the crystal... then u should also post this complaint about the guides...
  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    bloodvow
    :o I wasn't aware BV is a sage skill... Lol... so their barage reduces dmg while mine does a **** load more...
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  • CinnaStix - Harshlands
    CinnaStix - Harshlands Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    BV is not a sage skill.. i was jsut saying what archers use in TW... hmm... how much does .5 seconds give u if ppl are able to kill u 33% times faster than somebody without sage... AGAIN assuming they dnt stun sleep or seal you...
  • ELQuAdRoo - Harshlands
    ELQuAdRoo - Harshlands Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    i bet this guy never was in a TW...
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    CinnaStix - Harshlands wrote: »
    BV is not a sage skill.. i was jsut saying what archers use in TW... hmm... how much does .5 seconds give u if ppl are able to kill u 33% times faster than somebody without sage... AGAIN assuming they dnt stun sleep or seal you...

    They're called ironguards. You don't put up a zhen without them unless you're being suicidal because the first that's gonna happen once someone notices is you'll be stunned/slept/sealed/etc out of it and then that 33% damage reduction you're talking about? Yeah not gonna help at all.


    Meanwhile, .5 seconds is the difference between getting off 4 barrage waves in 10 secs and only 3, and if you're using a purge bow (which you should) that makes a very big difference.





    So this makes me wonder... have you ever even BEEN in a TW before? Because you act like some noob who's spouting off about things you know nothing about.
  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Demon armageddon > Sage armageddon

    Leap back > demon armageddon
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    /facepalm.


    Just showing how little you know yulk.


    First of all in a TW there's gonna be 160 people there, you're most likely not going to notice an armageddon coming.

    Second of all no barb is going to be using armageddon on a BM in a serious fight, if it happens it's just for lulz.

    Third if he DID decide to use it, armageddon has about a 1 sec cast and a 1 sec attack animation, plus if the skill is finished channeling it's going to hit unless the barb has been sealed cause he most likely used anti stun prior to using it. Happens all the time when I fight mages or w/e. I use arma, it channels and they use distance shrink, skill still lands regardless and they die.

    Fourth if a barb uses armageddon on someone he's going to stun him somehow, either might swing, a squad member, or occult ice.


    Bm rushes in, roar of the pride, barb uses holy path and armageddon, let's see leap back stop that.



    When you get a character to the level where you can at least learn to use armageddon or any other ult, then someone might care what you say.
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  • CinnaStix - Harshlands
    CinnaStix - Harshlands Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    truekossy wrote: »
    They're called ironguards. You don't put up a zhen without them unless you're being suicidal because the first that's gonna happen once someone notices is you'll be stunned/slept/sealed/etc out of it and then that 33% damage reduction you're talking about? Yeah not gonna help at all.


    Meanwhile, .5 seconds is the difference between getting off 4 barrage waves in 10 secs and only 3, and if you're using a purge bow (which you should) that makes a very big difference.





    So this makes me wonder... have you ever even BEEN in a TW before? Because you act like some noob who's spouting off about things you know nothing about.

    Idk how many times ive stated "ASSUMING THEY DO NOT USE STUN/SEAL/SLEEP"... Honestly... a smart person is going to put up... potion to NOT ALLOW STUN/ SLEEP... Obviously you dont' realize the effect of that... An archer in barage that won't be stun/slept... Ofcourse you might not relate... once again i said an Experienced person would do this. But anyway. An archer receiving 33% less dmg that cannot be slept or stunned > the few seconds or so you get with Demon Barage... There you go... I honestly wonder if you have much experience... and yes I have been in TW.. and in TW i run into experienced archers who want to not allow me to break them from barage as long as possible... It is still easy to kill a normal archer in barage even if they were demon and use pot... SO as a result... using the pot and getting an extra dmg reduction time... would be best... Also.. it can be stacked with wings of grace... Wings of grace... Barage... 15 seconds without stun/sleep... then an extra 12 seconds due to pots... after this... Unless ur sealed by a wiz... which is less odds due to the smaller amount of them and chances that they might be busy... fighting or getting killed... 27 seconds with a 33% reduction of dmg and immune to stun/sleep is better... b:victory Obviously a sage would be able to hold it alot longer considering as soon as they put up barage they will get mobbed by people trying to kill them.
  • CinnaStix - Harshlands
    CinnaStix - Harshlands Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    truekossy wrote: »
    They're called ironguards. You don't put up a zhen without them unless you're being suicidal because the first that's gonna happen once someone notices is you'll be stunned/slept/sealed/etc out of it and then that 33% damage reduction you're talking about? Yeah not gonna help at all.


    Meanwhile, .5 seconds is the difference between getting off 4 barrage waves in 10 secs and only 3, and if you're using a purge bow (which you should) that makes a very big difference.





    So this makes me wonder... have you ever even BEEN in a TW before? Because you act like some noob who's spouting off about things you know nothing about.

    In conclusion... Have you ever been in TW before? Because you act like some noob who's spouting off about things you know nothing about. b:laugh b:pleased
  • CinnaStix - Harshlands
    CinnaStix - Harshlands Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    ELQuAdRoo - Harshlands wrote: »
    i bet this guy never was in a TW...

    Get off thread if you do not plan on contributing. Please and thank you. b:pleased
  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    CinnaStix - Harshlands wrote: »
    Get off thread if you do not plan on contributing. Please and thank you. b:pleased

    :o I think he's trying to evade the question b:chuckle
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    CinnaStix - Harshlands wrote: »
    Idk how many times ive stated "ASSUMING THEY DO NOT USE STUN/SEAL/SLEEP"... Honestly... a smart person is going to put up... potion to NOT ALLOW STUN/ SLEEP... Obviously you dont' realize the effect of that... An archer in barage that won't be stun/slept... Ofcourse you might not relate... once again i said an Experienced person would do this. But anyway. An archer receiving 33% less dmg that cannot be slept or stunned > the few seconds or so you get with Demon Barage... There you go... I honestly wonder if you have much experience... and yes I have been in TW.. and in TW i run into experienced archers who want to not allow me to break them from barage as long as possible... It is still easy to kill a normal archer in barage even if they were demon and use pot... SO as a result... using the pot and getting an extra dmg reduction time... would be best... Also.. it can be stacked with wings of grace... Wings of grace... Barage... 15 seconds without stun/sleep... then an extra 12 seconds due to pots... after this... Unless ur sealed by a wiz... which is less odds due to the smaller amount of them and chances that they might be busy... fighting or getting killed... 27 seconds with a 33% reduction of dmg and immune to stun/sleep is better... b:victory Obviously a sage would be able to hold it alot longer considering as soon as they put up barage they will get mobbed by people trying to kill them.
    Or your target could run out of range unless you're barraging on a tower or crystal, at which point they could just avoid said tower/crystal.


    I think this guy is Yulk Jr.
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  • CinnaStix - Harshlands
    CinnaStix - Harshlands Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »
    :o I think he's trying to evade the question b:chuckle

    If you actually red the post above... then you would know i already answered that question. Just how literate are you now?
  • CinnaStix - Harshlands
    CinnaStix - Harshlands Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Or your target could run out of range unless you're barraging on a tower or crystal, at which point they could just avoid said tower/crystal.


    I think this guy is Yulk Jr.

    This makes me question you :O. From the experiences I have had... Nobody runs away while ur in their base killing their crystal. If i did that against you... All i do is lol as i just attained a new map. Secondly... I could easily barrage the catapults in their respawn spot.. GL not being hit by a spawn attk. Considering ur statements before... I'll answer this possible thing you might say... The respawn towers don't reach long ranged units.... Considering your previous answers... this just may have been a possible answer i would receive from you. Pshh... This guy yulk JR. I really don't think ive even been attked by a barb in TW... except by maybe a cata puller... but those dnt even tend to hit me... they just keep walking. Any spare barbs just don't attack other HA users generally. Atleast in TW where ther are plenty of arcanes to attack.
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Again you have no idea what you're talking about.


    Last TW I was in an archer opened barrage on a group of people, I used armageddon on him.



    It hit for 24k, now lets reduce that by 33% and you get 16k damage. You think archers have more than 16k hp? And that's just one person, using barrage in a TW puts a big sign over your head saying "kill me" so expect at least 5 people attacking you.


    Dont know why I even respond because this:
    Other than that Barrage is used to destroy the crystal cuz it does alot of dmg to it

    Shows you have no clue what you're talking about.
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  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I think this guy is Yulk Jr.

    /facepalm
    CinnaStix - Harshlands wrote: »
    This makes me question you :O. From the experiences I have had...

    Ok....from what I see you have this BM and a lvl 52 archer on LC. Now...I am not aware of any (I could be wrong) 5x's doing TW's at the moment. Now, having said that, I have a few questions for you:

    1) Have you ever been in a TW?
    2) Do you have a high level (95+) archer?
    3) Do you know what the "Multi-quote" function is used for?
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  • CinnaStix - Harshlands
    CinnaStix - Harshlands Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »
    /facepalm



    Ok....from what I see you have this BM and a lvl 52 archer on LC. Now...I am not aware of any (I could be wrong) 5x's doing TW's at the moment. Now, having said that, I have a few questions for you:

    1) Have you ever been in a TW?
    2) Do you have a high level (95+) archer?
    3) Do you know what the "Multi-quote" function is used for?

    Since you clearly do not understand what my posts have said before....

    1.Yar.... Plenty....
    2. My experiences of archer only go to 89... so no... The rest of my information comes from friends... videos... TW.... And as far as killed archers... I use absolute domain when i see a barb or BM rush me... dunno a bout the rest...
    3. Umm... let me guess... Quoting... if u have to ask me that.. im wondering how long it took u to learn... :/ I posted responses separately... because I didn't read every response.. before replying to only one... I'll respond as i wish to do so.


    Lastly.. im guessing most of you don't use any type of defense buffs when people gank you.. Apparently im the only one who tries to counter it lol. If Rawrgh doesn't see how there are ways to counter it... than that's on you... I don't know why you reply either... showing that you've never fought really good archers.
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    CinnaStix - Harshlands wrote: »
    3. Umm... let me guess... Quoting... if u have to ask me that.. im wondering how long it took u to learn... :/ I posted responses separately... because I didn't read every response.. before replying to only one... I'll respond as i wish to do so.


    Lastly.. im guessing most of you don't use any type of defense buffs when people gank you.. Apparently im the only one who tries to counter it lol. If Rawrgh doesn't see how there are ways to counter it... than that's on you... I don't know why you reply either... showing that you've never fought really good archers.

    In answering #3 the way that you did, I am inclined to now dismiss about 95% of what you say in any of your responses.

    If you so choose to want to know the answer to #3 I will be happy to explain it to you and also explain to you why I asked b:cute
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  • CinnaStix - Harshlands
    CinnaStix - Harshlands Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »
    In answering #3 the way that you did, I am inclined to now dismiss about 95% of what you say in any of your responses.

    If you so choose to want to know the answer to #3 I will be happy to explain it to you and also explain to you why I asked b:cute

    Well yes.. please explain :) Always happy to be corrected b:surrender ... I learn as a result... and go ahead... Dismiss what i say if you feel it is appropriate for u
    The sarcastic tone i give come from the sarcastic comments i get. I give information... i if u see something wrong correct me.. This thread is based plainly on opinion...
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    CinnaStix - Harshlands wrote: »
    Well yes.. please explain :) Always happy to be corrected b:surrender ... I learn as a result... and go ahead... Dismiss what i say if you feel it is appropriate for u
    The sarcastic tone i give come from the sarcastic comments i get. I give information... i if u see something wrong correct me.. This thread is based plainly on opinion...
    11. No power-posting, spamming, bumping and/or flaming.

    Meaning, double or even triple posting = no no.

    You can reply however you want but keep it within the parameters of the forums rules. Use the Multi-quote options and you can reply to all in one thread. No need to continually post back to back to back etc....

    Also, this thread is based on more then opinion. No offense but a level 89 hardly (imo) has the no all of an end-game archer that has had extensive PvP/PvE/TW experience. You are showing that lack of experience in more then a few replies that you have given.
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  • CinnaStix - Harshlands
    CinnaStix - Harshlands Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »
    Meaning, double or even triple posting = no no.

    You can reply however you want but keep it within the parameters of the forums rules. Use the Multi-quote options and you can reply to all in one thread. No need to continually post back to back to back etc....

    Also, this thread is based on more then opinion. No offense but a level 89 hardly (imo) has the no all of an end-game archer that has had extensive PvP/PvE/TW experience. You are showing that lack of experience in more then a few replies that you have given.

    I had quit for a long time... When i used to play, there were no HYPER exp... BHs... or anything that made Lvling so easy... Back then... become Demon/Sage was a huge deal because it was never so easy. So yeah.. i wouldnt call it really end game... but that was when archers were probably the best pkers... Things were differen't back then... If you played back then im sure you know. Most people didn't make it that far. Im talking about Starting on LC when it first began... with BLT, Vengeance, UL, CQ, QQme, OUTLAW, RQ... the list goes on. Dunno if you played back then...
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    CinnaStix - Harshlands wrote: »
    I had quit for a long time... When i used to play, there were no HYPER exp... BHs... or anything that made Lvling so easy... Back then... become Demon/Sage was a huge deal because it was never so easy. So yeah.. i wouldnt call it really end game... but that was when archers were probably the best pkers... Things were differen't back then... If you played back then im sure you know. Most people didn't make it that far. Im talking about Starting on LC when it first began... with BLT, Vengeance, UL, CQ, QQme, OUTLAW, RQ... the list goes on. Dunno if you played back then...

    Let's just say I was lvl99 when BH's came out and was TW'ing at 6x when it was about the "standard" for 6-8x to be doing TW's.
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  • CinnaStix - Harshlands
    CinnaStix - Harshlands Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »
    Meaning, double or even triple posting = no no.

    You can reply however you want but keep it within the parameters of the forums rules. Use the Multi-quote options and you can reply to all in one thread. No need to continually post back to back to back etc....

    Also, this thread is based on more then opinion. No offense but a level 89 hardly (imo) has the no all of an end-game archer that has had extensive PvP/PvE/TW experience. You are showing that lack of experience in more then a few replies that you have given.

    You remember when ReturneR was taken by BLT? Thats when i quit.
  • CinnaStix - Harshlands
    CinnaStix - Harshlands Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    If you don't understand, I may be able to help... I believe that was before Genie's were around.

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