New to Venomancer

So these kinds of pets you listed I will meet later on? Or must I find them through players? There are no shops?

EDIT:
Are there any posts for how to find certain pets and recommendation of certain pets for certain level?
I'm a mage. So I probably need a tanker, and good phys attack.

Thank you, I'll keep posting questions here instead of making a new thread:

Do i need to add fox form, fox wallop, swimming mastery? My guide doesn't mention these so I assume no? I'm a arcane venomancer

fox form can't be done without; that's your "fox and run away" skill when you'd otherwise die.

fox wallop hasn't been very useful to me, but i think you need one level in it to unlock further skills that have more use. i've found stunning blow to be handy, and befuddling mist is at least in theory useful for reducing damage taken --- so long as you're not the one tanking, at least. and of course there's amplify damage and purge; you will be expected to have those and know how to use them.

(purge is tricky to learn how to use, i think. you need to get pretty decent knowledge of what the bosses do and what it looks like when they do it; i'm nowhere near there myself yet. still, it's easy to see what the skill is useful for.)

Oh okay. I took a long time today to travel to catch a dark wanderer . Now i need to get back >.>.

So is my stuff fine?:
Arcane wear
+ 9 magic and 1 str every 2 levels.

You'll start to find mobs that are "magic resistant" monsters. Basically they take longer to kill in mage form with your magic attacks. You can use your fox form skills (fox wallop, befudding mist, leech, and stunning blow) with great success on these types of mobs. Your pet can still be the tank and you can heal while in fox or mage form. Amplify damage is a nice fox skill as it increases the amount of damage you/your squad does to a mob/boss. Personally I tend to only amp on bosses or increased life mobs. Purge is very nice but not really necessary at the lower levels. If you want to put this skill off for a while just get level one and work on your other skills.

Also with your pets be sure to keep them within one level or your current level as it will greatly reduce your chances of pulling the mob off the pet and have it directly attacking you.

Balancing out which skills to level up will be more difficult at the beginning as you're constantly fighting for enough coin/spirit to get. As you're going for a mage build I would suggest getting a few of the fox form skills for the magic resistance mobs but keep them at a lower level until you have more "excess" spirit/coins. Skills I would recommend leveling as soon as you can in fox form is your fox form. It only has 3 levels (4th level is sage/demon version) and increases your physical defense greatly. It can save your life if you get a physical mob on you. Keep your pet heal leveled up as high as whenever you can.

Mage skills for starters would be venomous scarab (this is your fastest hitting skill with the shortest cool down), Ironwood Scarab (decreases mob's phy defense), Lucky Scarab (chance to stun mob), Blazing Scarab (fire damage over time). The others are very good as well but can be added at a later date when you have more coin/spirit. Noxious Gas is an area affect spell so you need to be careful to use it when other mobs will not get pulled in unless your pet can tank multiple mobs at one time. Be sure to pick up bramble guard as it can be used on you and your squad to reflect damage. It's preferred on Barbs, Blademasters, venos, and assassins. All other classes I'd suggest you ask before brambling as it does draw mobs to a person if they get close enough.

The problem with the dark wanderer is that its slot 1 skill is a buff (tough). Fortunately its other 2 skills (roar and pierce) do give it aggro, but you either have to right click one of them to set it as default skill (yellow outline) or manually fire one or both on each mob.

Pets with bash and the elemental attacks (fireball, thunderbolt, icicle, toxic mist and sandblow) do a significantly better job of keeping aggro.

Light/ - Raging Tide wrote: »

Oh i see. But is it safe to say that using roar on my glacial walker is best to keep aggro 100% away from me?

No. Nonononononononono, no.

Roar is a special use skill. It steals aggro immediately (well, almost - if the mob is in mid attack it will finish its attack) - but it doesn't steal MUCH aggro and you (or someone else) can easily steal from it in not all that many levels time.

Save roar for when you need it. Do not rely upon it.

Do I need any vitality?

Vitality is... well, I like to have some. You can get extra hitpoints and defence from various places, and having a bit (wherever you get it from) is nice.
It's not required though.
As long as one hit from a monster doesn't kill you, you have enough. More is a luxury - you have to decide whether you'd like more survival or more killing power.

One thing veno's are VERY good at is regaining health. Take a look at metabolic boost, soul transfusion and leech-life. As well as the option of using potions that everyone has. If something hits you, heal up before the next thing comes along.

Sometimes when I fight a mob, another mob sneaks up and I try to switch pet to attack it....but I sometimes die :P. What am I doing wrong? I can't take on mobs yet or am I just not doing it "right"?

Try to make sure your pet hits the new monster before you heal. Failing that, try to make sure that your pet hits the monster before the monster hits you.
Failing that, try to have higher defence and more hitpoints. Going fox just before you get thumped helps quite a lot.

Really, this is just practice. Monsters spawn in predictable ways at predictable times. you should be able to avoid it most of the time.

Also, everytime I attack 1 monster, I use alt + 3 (for roar), and it'll auto icicle. Then I attack with my hotkey with ironwood scarab and venom scarab.

That is an example of a good use of roar. Make sure that the roar lands before your ironwood and you should be good to go.
Just don't put roar on auto, whatever you do!

Quick brief on: Roar, Bash, Flesh Ream and other Aggro skills

Roar: Resets aggro back to pet but DOES NOT build aggro...resetting aggro reduces it to the lowest amt possible thus allows others to steal aggro

Bash: builds aggro (some call it hate) has a 9 sec cool down (set to auto) and will build aggro thus making it harder to pull the mob off the pet

Flesh Ream: builds aggro but has a 15 sec cool down. Therefore compared to Bash will generate less aggro build up over time. Flesh ream does do some damage over time as well (I prefer as a secondary skill to bash)

Icicle/Fireball/other elemental attacks: some provide more distance between pet and mob as they are range attacks....I don't have my game open so cannot check what the cool down is of those. (usually have these as secondary skills on a tank pet - well a tank pet that is not a herc)

Note: on a personal note I played using roar for a long time. After getting higher and doing more in squads (like Twilight Temple ~ lvl 60 and higher) aggro was being lost consistantly. I switched my pet to using Bash and haven't had a problem...unless it's +10 nirvana weapons on a 100+ barb which at that point I'm like whatever you tank....

SeaStorm - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Roar: Resets aggro back to pet but DOES NOT build aggro...resetting aggro reduces it to the lowest amt possible thus allows others to steal aggro

Roar resets aggro and gives the pet the same amount of aggro as any other skills. What changes at higher levels is that players have an easier time overcoming the aggro from a single pet skill use.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=259391

Icicle/Fireball/other elemental attacks: some provide more distance between pet and mob as they are range attacks....I don't have my game open so cannot check what the cool down is of those. (usually have these as secondary skills on a tank pet - well a tank pet that is not a herc)

They are the same as Bash.

All pet melee skills are ranged attacks. It's necessary to allow the pet's AI to use the skill on a moving target. Otherwise the pet would chase a target, get in melee range, start to use the skill, the skill finishes but aborts because the target is no longer in range, and the pet starts chasing the target again.

No - roar doesn't stack, each use resets hate to zero. It will remove all the hate both you and your pet (and everyone else in the party) has generated from thumping it in between, which can be a net positive or a very very bad thing.

Dragon-quest:
It's long and slow, but a decent amount of XP at low levels. I wouldn't concentrate on it, but doing a step if you happen to be in the area is a nice small boost.
But it does cost a tonne of coins. The DQ items sell to NPCs for a fair amount - and some (Dull claws being a very good example) sell to other players at inflated prices, because you need them for the additional bank-slots and for your flyer.

On the flip side - there are a few very very very good items which are ONLY attainable through dragon-quest, and if you want one of those, well, you've got to do the quest. (Or buy the badges from other players who have.)
However - most of that only really applies to the high level dragon quests - DQ71 and above.

So here's how I feel about venomancer.





Baby, I am in control.

until you get your aerogear, it's very worth planning out your quests and doing all you can in one area before going on to a different spot. actively look around for quests to take, even if you're not planning to do them immediately, so you don't have to accidentally go back to the same spot too many times.

after you get your aerogear... eh, actually, it's pretty similar, because your questing past level 30 tends to spread out over more of the map to make up the difference. you'll come to hate the world quest-like FedEx-style ones that have you flying to seemingly everywhere.

i've got in the habit of talking to town guards with the one-man-army quest shields over them, just to keep track of what mobs are in the OMA quests at the moment. might as well do a few of those while i'm grinding other quests in the area anyway. but not too many, because i don't want to have to run back and forth to the town guard every time an OMA goes green on me while i still have other mobs to quest on, not even if i might get another OMA for them. that'd be too much running and flying.

when i get bored, i usually switch to one of my too many alts. it's still the same quests, but the different play styles are different enough to make it interesting again. or if that still doesn't work, i take a break from playing.