LV11 Ressurection demon/sage

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · July 2010

Demon or sage. doesnt really matter which >.>

Bored so making a discussion.

"Should clerics have sage/demon ress? If so why, and does it differ between pvp and pve."

Lv11 (Sage/Demon) Ress
- One of the 2 skills, aside from spark passing veno, that does NOT physically benefit the owner but benefits others instead.
- This benefit is not a NEED but a WANT, as lower lvl skills will accomplish the basic task.
- Average cost 15-19M.
- Clerics will still need to carry a ress scroll yourself and possibly a Guardian scroll

my opinion:

PVE: ive went and sold about 3-4 sage revives cause their more profit >.> I have no intention of getting revive just to satisfy someone elses LAZYNESS of not carrying GA nor a ress scroll. I see no reason why i have to spend 15m and also carry a ress scroll/GA so that i may sate others satisfaction of saving coins and exp. Especially on runs like nirvana when couple pple accidentally die including the cleric (yes accidents happen), they LAY there USELESS waiting for the cleric to come back and ress, while the clerics themselves have to warp back. This process only takes less than 10sec mind u and it would have been way faster for them to warp back too. The image i get from that is
"It is the clerics job to have a guardian scroll if they are QQing about exp, but we also expect them to spend millions to save OUR[non-cleric] exp too, nvm the fact that us[non-cleric] having a scroll might make things go smoother."

PVP: oh god this is a whole new diff. light. Having a farther ressing distance or a faster channeling time could do tons of help, hands down. Id buy ress if tw were more frequent across the week.

Vinat - Sanctuary · July 2010

i have a cleric that has lvl 1 res. i dont plan on lvln it more.

occasionally i fly around to high lvl areas and res ppl who lay there dead spamming RES PLZ. 90 percent of the time they dont even notice that they didnt save any exp.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · July 2010

pve-wise it s useful too

like i wrote somewhere else: best anti-QQ spell cler can have

ppl will do their job more willingly; no qq bout rushes, saving someone butt etc

hell, they even will happily act like kamikatzes for you. I remeber when beast boss in 3-3 spawned amoung mobs for some reason and we wanted to get him back near piano. So i asked some bm girl if she could annoy the gecko and bring him where we want. She died few times because boss and mobs nuked her every few meters, but she made it and had quite lot fun :P

without 11rez and before 100lvl (94-99 are worst exp QQers...) some ppl would refuse to do it =/

(this reminds me nobs who refuse to 'get up' after they die few times on belial..)

but should you care about those? maybe not. you wont want to squad with QQer next time

so i wont try too hard to convince anyone to get 11rez

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · July 2010

i wish i could delvl my rez just for the lulz

XxLady_XelxX - Dreamweaver · July 2010

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

pve-wise it s useful too

like i wrote somewhere else: best anti-QQ spell cler can have

ppl will do their job more willingly; no qq bout rushes, saving someone butt etc

hell, they even will happily act like kamikatzes for you. I remeber when beast boss in 3-3 spawned amoung mobs for some reason and we wanted to get him back near piano. So i asked some bm girl if she could annoy the gecko and bring him where we want. She died few times because boss and mobs nuked her every few meters, but she made it and had quite lot fun :P

without 11rez and before 100lvl (94-99 are worst exp QQers...) some ppl would refuse to do it =/

(this reminds me nobs who refuse to 'get up' after they die few times on belial..)

but should you care about those? maybe not. you wont want to squad with QQer next time

so i wont try too hard to convince anyone to get 11rez

This.

I can't be bothered to carry guardians (though I do carry Rez scrolls obviously), so death = Full loss for me when I'm the only Cleric. Not that I mind all that much, mind you...but it's the principle.

As such, I need as many loyal meatsacks as possible between me and the mobs at every given moment. People are much more willing to fill that role that role when they stand to lose the least possible EXP in the process.

Not to mention the hefty range increase/channeling decrease is awesome for trying to pull out of a prospective party wipe. Less time it takes to get someone back on their feet, the better. In my case, the range is awesome because I don't have to haul my slow Cleric-y **** over to them and can usually just res from where I happen to be standing, thus saving precious seconds in the long run.

TheDan - Sanctuary · July 2010

Everyone knows level 11 rez just gives AFK BMs like me more reason to AFK.

Oh wait, I'm doing that now as we speak in Delta. b:laugh

*Squad Wipe*

tukiyem · July 2010

with level 11 ress, we can rage to our squad if we die. We can ask them to strictly protect us, coz if everyone die, nobody lose exp, but if cler died.... level 11 ress is about SQUAD CONTROL POWER!

Candie - Raging Tide · July 2010

Because I play with my friends and I care about them

KanariaRose - Archosaur · July 2010

I have always been an advocate of maxing rez for a simple reason...im a cleric. I play the cleric class because i like to be helpful and make the game experience easier for other people. IMHO if you dont care enough about others to get rez maxed out, then why the hell are you playing the part of a healer anyway?

Desdi - Sanctuary · July 2010

KanariaRose - Archosaur wrote: »

IMHO if you dont care enough about others to get rez maxed out, then why the hell are you playing the part of a healer anyway?

Her actual point is about whether you totally must buy the Sage/Demon Revive or not when it costs a fortune to get it but I agree with your point as well. However, sometimes people can be so whiny and Q_Q that you wish you could revive them and lost their exp. THOSE people don't deserve your maxed revive nor your being caring and helpful.

Aya__ - Heavens Tear · July 2010

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

pve-wise it s useful too
best anti-QQ spell cler can have

Candie - Raging Tide wrote: »

I play with my friends and I care about them

These two reasons

Also its nice when you are asked for a res by some stranger (happens very often to me when i fly wq) and they are so happy they didnt lose xp at all.
Yes, from time to time i feel like being nice ...

b:cute

Lylfo - Dreamweaver · July 2010

About Para's point, think of their charm and GAs if they are using those.

nice spell, anti-QQ, decent add ons for both demon and sage version.

KanariaRose - Archosaur · July 2010

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

However, sometimes people can be so whiny and Q_Q that you wish you could revive them and lost their exp. THOSE people don't deserve your maxed revive nor your being caring and helpful.

Hehe thats when i pull my bishey side out XD if someone is being a total **** and is being ungrateful to the squad, i'll pull one of two things. 1.) Oh, did i forget to heal you? My bad im so terribly sorry that you have perished. >.> <,<2.) Look guys, hes a sin, im a cleric, its me or him. >.> the non cleric gets the boot every time. Although ive only been provoked to pull option 2 twice.

Desdi - Sanctuary · July 2010

"2.) Look guys, hes a sin, im a cleric, its me or him. >.> the non cleric gets the boot every time. " b:laugh

Sounds fun! I should do the same sometimes. Cleric justice! XD

Decus - Dreamweaver · July 2010

I will never ever buy Demon res. I would much rather take the 16+ mil and go refine my gear or add a socket. Call me mean, call me insensitive. I don't really care. I'm not here to babysit idiots. Level 11 res --> squads suddenly becoming careless. I will NEVER forget the one day we had a duo cleric 3-2 and the second cleric had level 11 res. Two people in the squad actually PUT AWAY their GS and scrolls (said so, too) because the cleric said she had level 11 res. Why should I only take the loss?

I do so wish I could de-level my res now b:sweat

And to those that say clerics should help people and not QQ, etc: grow up. We're not here to indenture ourselves to others. I'll help to a point, and that's it. If I can res myself with my own res, I'll gladly buy demon res right now =p

Allynna_ - Dreamweaver · July 2010

Doesn't level 11 Rez also bring people back with 100% of their HP/MP, while every other level only brings back with 10%?

Desdi - Sanctuary · July 2010

Allynna_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Doesn't level 11 Rez also bring people back with 100% of their HP/MP, while every other level only brings back with 10%?

According to the description both versions seem to bring people back with 100% HP and MP. The only difference is in the range area and channeling time.

Decus - Dreamweaver · July 2010

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

According to the description both seem to bring people back with 100% HP and MP.

Charms do this too b:chuckle

Desdi - Sanctuary · July 2010

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Charms do this too b:chuckle

Or that b:laugh so in this case having lvl 11 revive doesn't matter that much lol

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · July 2010

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Her actual point is about whether you totally must buy the Sage/Demon Revive or not when it costs a fortune to get it but I agree with your point as well. However, sometimes people can be so whiny and Q_Q that you wish you could revive them and lost their exp. THOSE people don't deserve your maxed revive nor your being caring and helpful.

you can ignore those who dont understand how to read threads b:shutup bet they dont know that a while ago this skill cost 25-30M

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · July 2010

thing i find funny is, i bet not many classes would lvl a skill to lv11 if:

-it sacrificed your own exp to benefit others exp
-only useful to others
-costs over 15m

cause really the 'bonuses' are something u can live without.

Decus - Dreamweaver · July 2010

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

thing i find funny is, i bet not many classes would lvl a skill to lv11 if:

-it sacrificed your own exp to benefit others exp
-only useful to others
-costs over 15m

cause really the 'bonuses' are something u can live without.

But we're fail if we don't get it, don't forget that b:shutup

/sarcasm

Aya__ - Heavens Tear · July 2010

Allynna_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Doesn't level 11 Rez also bring people back with 100% of their HP/MP, while every other level only brings back with 10%?

no. you return with 10% of each.
differences friom lvl 10 are only no exp loss and range bonus for sage / chan bonus for demon

Desdi - Sanctuary · July 2010

Oh the description on them said 100%. I guess it was wrong b:chuckle Shouldn't trust ecatomb allt he time

Aya__ - Heavens Tear · July 2010

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Oh the description on them said 100%. I guess it was wrong b:chuckle Shouldn't trust ecatomb allt he time

in-game description when you hover mouse over icon says 10%
reality (ressing uncharmed ppl) says 10%
b:surrender

SaintDominic - Sanctuary · July 2010

Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »

i have a cleric that has lvl 1 res. i dont plan on lvln it more.

occasionally i fly around to high lvl areas and res ppl who lay there dead spamming RES PLZ. 90 percent of the time they dont even notice that they didnt save any exp.

Well now that I have my sage rez, I just use it on my faction members and ppl on my friends list. Having me comes with a nice perk b:chuckle.

Sylredrae - Sanctuary · July 2010

Money has always been an issue for me... I save for a looonnnnggg time for what I want, so if I want to get a sage skill, I would want to chose carefully since most sage cleric skills cost 2-3mil or more. I honestly wouldn't put sage res at the top of the list for financial reasons, and because lvl 10 res works fine. People will go into a rage and QQ at clerics using lvl 5 res, but they aren't nearly as cranky with cleric with lvl 10 res, so that's what I manage with. The bonuses are nice, but I can live without them.

Lylfo - Dreamweaver · July 2010

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Demon or sage. doesnt really matter which >.>

Bored so making a discussion.

"Should clerics have sage/demon ress? If so why, and does it differ between pvp and pve."

Lv11 (Sage/Demon) Ress
- One of the 2 skills, aside from spark passing veno, that does NOT physically benefit the owner but benefits others instead.
Actually sage/demon self spark passing can generate more sparks for the veno b:surrender
About rez, it increase a value of a cleric(more like a psychological benefit)
imagine appling to some big shot faction, you have lvl 11 rez, a competitor cleric, does not have lvl 11 rez, the faction might accept you instead of that cleric just because you have lvl 11 rez(for tw....i hope its not for faction chat spam....)
- This benefit is not a NEED but a WANT, as lower lvl skills will accomplish the basic task.
But lvl 10 rez does not do it that well, 10% exp loss vs 0% exp loss
- Average cost 15-19M.
too expensive for me b:cry
- Clerics will still need to carry a ress scroll yourself and possibly a Guardian scroll
yup, we still need to no matter what, need to be the one taking the exp/guardian scroll losses in a squad wipe

my opinion:

PVE: ive went and sold about 3-4 sage revives cause their more profit >.> I have no intention of getting revive just to satisfy someone elses LAZYNESS of not carrying GA nor a ress scroll. I see no reason why i have to spend 15m and also carry a ress scroll/GA so that i may sate others satisfaction of saving coins and exp. Especially on runs like nirvana when couple pple accidentally die including the cleric (yes accidents happen), they LAY there USELESS waiting for the cleric to come back and ress, while the clerics themselves have to warp back. This process only takes less than 10sec mind u and it would have been way faster for them to warp back too. The image i get from that is
"It is the clerics job to have a guardian scroll if they are QQing about exp, but we also expect them to spend millions to save OUR[non-cleric] exp too, nvm the fact that us[non-cleric] having a scroll might make things go smoother."

PVP: oh god this is a whole new diff. light. Having a farther ressing distance or a faster channeling time could do tons of help, hands down. Id buy ress if tw were more frequent across the week.oh...you said it, well it helps....

comments in white....
hope that im on topic this time b:surrender

and my stand is, clerics should have it, only if they are comfortable with spending that amount of coins for the "benefits"
-in other words, poor clerics should not get it and should spend their coins elsewhere

VlLKASS - Sanctuary · July 2010

A 11 rez is always nice, not trying to lvl that much & not planning to die a lot either. But it's annoying as hell when I do die & lose 200k exp cause the cleric was chatting with friends -.-

Not planning to get 11 rez for my cleric.

Quilue - Sanctuary · July 2010

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Demon or sage. doesnt really matter which >.>

Bored so making a discussion.

"Should clerics have sage/demon ress? If so why, and does it differ between pvp and pve."

Lv11 (Sage/Demon) Ress
- One of the 2 skills, aside from spark passing veno, that does NOT physically benefit the owner but benefits others instead.
- This benefit is not a NEED but a WANT, as lower lvl skills will accomplish the basic task.
- Average cost 15-19M.
- Clerics will still need to carry a ress scroll yourself and possibly a Guardian scroll

my opinion:

PVE: ive went and sold about 3-4 sage revives cause their more profit >.> I have no intention of getting revive just to satisfy someone elses LAZYNESS of not carrying GA nor a ress scroll. I see no reason why i have to spend 15m and also carry a ress scroll/GA so that i may sate others satisfaction of saving coins and exp. Especially on runs like nirvana when couple pple accidentally die including the cleric (yes accidents happen), they LAY there USELESS waiting for the cleric to come back and ress, while the clerics themselves have to warp back. This process only takes less than 10sec mind u and it would have been way faster for them to warp back too. The image i get from that is
"It is the clerics job to have a guardian scroll if they are QQing about exp, but we also expect them to spend millions to save OUR[non-cleric] exp too, nvm the fact that us[non-cleric] having a scroll might make things go smoother."

PVP: oh god this is a whole new diff. light. Having a farther ressing distance or a faster channeling time could do tons of help, hands down. Id buy ress if tw were more frequent across the week.

I've said this before lol...the more people that max their ress, the better the server becomes as a whole. Somewhere down the line you're going to die and someone else will ress you with lvl 11 ress, when that happens, you're going to know why one would want to level ress to 11. If everyone has this attitude that they don't have to level something that only benefits others, then no one gets max ress, including themselves. You could say that hey, why don't other people help me pay for my lvl 11 ress? If you run with a static group to instanced activities, I wouldn't see why not.

Someone with lvl 11 ress was with us at Sonic last night. It was great (except the boss dropped ****...Sonic has always dropped ****)

MystiMonk - Sanctuary · July 2010

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Demon or sage. doesnt really matter which >.>

Bored so making a discussion.

"Should clerics have sage/demon ress? If so why, and does it differ between pvp and pve."

Lv11 (Sage/Demon) Ress
- One of the 2 skills, aside from spark passing veno, that does NOT physically benefit the owner but benefits others instead.
- This benefit is not a NEED but a WANT, as lower lvl skills will accomplish the basic task.
- Average cost 15-19M.
- Clerics will still need to carry a ress scroll yourself and possibly a Guardian scroll

I know you one of the most respected Clerics on our server but I wouldn't carry them as you have to buy res scrolls as well as GA with Zen.I am not concerned with getting my skills just getting there then having to think about it.

LV11 Ressurection demon/sage

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