Just go Demon.

Assassins...

Clerics...

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Mages

I hope you're kidding.

Qazp - Lost City wrote: »

classes that shine by going demon path:

Blademasters

Archers

thats all

b:byeb:byeb:bye

because any bm at 89+ dumb enough to not use at least 2 weapons is disowned from the class

Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Don't know about venos.

Demon HA venos are pretty awesome.

Annoying - Lost City wrote: »

I hope you're kidding.

Demon mage spark -25% chan 700% dmg... Ever experienced that? can take down quite alot of stuff. Seen effect on a 60k HP barb in a different server.... You guessed it, dead through charm.

Cbastor - Lost City wrote: »

Do it, don't argue with me boy.

Demon is better for fist and could be good for axe too.
Sage is better for poleblade sword and can be good for axe too.

All depends on the weapon you like using more.

PenutButer - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Psychic...

I really shouldn't care what a random Wizard on the BM forums says about a class he's obviously not that knowledgeable on... But that myth really needs to die.

Most of the important Psychic skills on the Sage path are either more efficient, or just outright better. Only a handful of Demon skills beat their Sage counterparts, and most of them are only situationally better.

Most Psychic spells are low channel, high cast. This is a mathematical paradox for channel stacking, because it has so little effect on us. Therefore: Psychics gain very very little from 25% channel on Demon Spark, which is supposed to be the main draw of the Demon path for most classes. Most of our attacks range from 0.5 to 1.0 second channel, in which case Demon Spark only knocks off 0.12 to 0.25 seconds of channel time. That might still sound okay to some, until you consider the range of 1.4 to 2.2 seconds of unalterable CAST time. -Channel = fail on a psychic. The few spells where -25% channel might actually make a noteworthy difference are better off used in Tide Spirit combos anyway.

Psychics gain chi very slowly (average of 5 chi per second in combat) unless they go Sage. Taking around 2 seconds to deliver a spell and gain 10 chi, or around 3 seconds to do a spell that gains 15 chi. It's slow. Cloud Eruption only does so much, and even then it still helps the Sage more (better maintenance once the chi is acquired). b:surrender

Psychics cannot fight seriously with normal attacks, thus the attack speed bonus from Demon Spark has no noteworthy effect, also being a notable contributor to the slow chi gain problem.

Psychics are squishy. We have strategies to try to prolong this, but its undeniable that a Sage Psychic has a lot more survivability, especially in group PvP.

Explain to me why Psychics shine more on the Demon path? Demon Spark doesn't help more than Sage Spark, and the Sage skills are mostly better. Demon Psychic is situationally better for quick fights, assuming you can even get your slow chi gain where it needs to be soon enough. Sage Psychic is better for group fights, medium to long fights, and damn near everything else in the game. b:surrender

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I do fine with my skills as normal, going sage for more DEF and P.ATK I love to be steady. You have your crits, I have my power and sage diamond sutra seems to be very overpowered but oh well

Demon is overrated.

I have 3 more skills to max .... need to level roar of the pride and leaps b:dirty

My comment you quoted was about wizards.

As for BM, you're not even close to getting your ulti. It's like you're picking your college degree before graduating grade school. b:bye

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

The only great skill is sage BIDS which is amazing. Otherwise Demon pretty much wins with most other skills. I don't even have a mage and I know that much.

nah. still i do often on bm's bt than sBids coz often they use marrow sutra and with enough debuff its hurt more than sbids (i got both 3 sage wizz ulti).

absolute not really true most of skill better for demon, maybe most of skill between lv 89-92, this true.

i use my wizz often to pk not only for tw and i dont see too much disadvatge for sage skills.
i often cooperate with bm/veno and doing faction vs faction pk's. (i have bm also but only 75 cause for me too boring the lving it with others thing than daily 1 bh maximum indifferent the aoeing is awasome,still bm my lowest alt b:surrender)

Demon mage spark -25% chan 700% dmg... Ever experienced that? can take down quite alot of stuff. Seen effect on a 60k HP barb in a different server.... You guessed it, dead through charm.

let me gues its private server where mage got the best weapon+12 etc, cause there what sense the demon wizz? sage could get 80% channeling and its ~instant casting then who care with speed from spark burst? xD

whatever i am sage, and slowly cant do nothing in tw cause i am the primary target because i killed the 65% cata in tw's and slowly the another team noticed that and now i just get stun in every second indifferent my mates are closer, both 3rd spark or sbids (without sutra) is "hello, pls kill me, i am here".

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I do fine with my skills as normal, going sage for more DEF and P.ATK I love to be steady. You have your crits, I have my power and sage diamond sutra seems to be very overpowered but oh well

Demon is overrated.

I have 3 more skills to max .... need to level roar of the pride and leaps b:dirty

"Max". You're just at the tip of the iceberg, and assuming that's all there is.

An end-game BM will go fist/pole/axe hybrid at least... and imo Demon has the best balance for the 4 paths a BM has available to them.

TBH I don't even see the point of all the arguing about Sage farstrike/aoelian/etc etc has better dmg when everyone knows the fact is that end-game BMs that use fists don't use those skills 90% of the time in PvP or PvE for DPS. I agree that Sage has better dmg on those particular skills but of the 90% of the time BMs need DPS those skills are pretty much ignored unless they need to switch to axe for crowd controlling/chain stunning.

EVEN IF Sage was better for pure pole BM or pure tanking axe BM, those are only 1 of 4 branches available for an end game BM's full arsenal. My question is how are you a tank BM if you are not the one pulling aggro and tanking? An end-game BM without all of Fist/Axe/Pole is not an end-game BM imo.

This argument will never end.
People on both sides should just stop trying.

shutup and go sage i want cheap demon books

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

shutup and go sage i want cheap demon books

Okay I'll do that. If I do that I won't get any books though. b:pleased