most level 29 skills underestimated?

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  • Yindra - Sanctuary
    Yindra - Sanctuary Posts: 784 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Venomancer's frost scarab... Thats a funny one, I find frost scarab one of the most OP skill so far for a veno, combining with summer sprint, you can literally kite without getting one single hit on you if your smart enough. My daughter successfully done that several times without a pet.

    Well, I don't have that spell yet, but when I'm in a fight without a pet I don't kite, I run. Or fly, preferably.
    Venomancer's stunning blow...

    Don't even recognize the name, must be in the Fox tree :-)
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Rillien - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ^^ More or less my point...unless you want to massively hinder your exp, you're going to be short on spirit for awhile. Which makes leveling these skills rather counterproductive.
    That's not always true. There are certain breakpoints where exp becomes a lot harder to obtain immediately after you level. A good example is crazy stone. The moment you become level 41, crazy stone becomes 3x more expensive and probably takes 2x more time. If you're 40 and close to the spirit needed to level a skill you use, you may be better off dumping some exp into a genie to keep yourself 40, and doing crazy stone a few more days until you can get the skill. (A similar thing happens at 49/50 and 79/80. BH29 and BH59 are pretty quick and easy. BH39 takes a lot more time and BH69 is a lot harder to find a group to complete. So you may be better off pausing at level 49 or 79 to build up some more spirit to upgrade your skills.)
    SerenityMare - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    So I did good by keeping my Frost Scarab at level 4? xD
    Mine is level 1. I even have a Sage Frost Scarab book in the bank. I'm never gonna use it, but for some silly reason it is important to me that I "have" all the Sage skills.
  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Yindra - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Well, I don't have that spell yet, but when I'm in a fight without a pet I don't kite, I run. Or fly, preferably.

    you should have both frost scarab and summer sprint; i've got them both. although i only got frost scarab so i'd be ready for noxious and the other skills that rely on frost, later on --- one spark is ridiculously overpriced for what frost does.

    and when i'm in a fight without a pet, i'm usually pushing hard on the space bar to gain altitude and GTFO. or dying, as often as not. venos don't kite, venos only get kited, usually when grinding ranged mobs.

    (although if i'm really bored, sometimes i set up my pet and myself so the mob'll kite right into me. usually not worth the effort, but can be good for some lulz occasionally.)
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  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    You really should be able to take a few hits through the time it takes you to summon a back up pet and getting aggro on it. I always keep a few pots in case things really get bad, add genie heal and apos and you'll really have to get in deep trouble before you even make running or kiting an option. After you get Bramble Hood you'll be able to handle even bosses and multiple elites which is one of the reasons you don't want to blow your chi on Frost. Personally, i like to go fox and try to Leech back any hp i may be missing once the pet is taking care of things. Now, if it's something even a spam healed pet won't handle i recommend sending the little bugger in with Tough or Threaten and Holy Pathing your way to safety...

    Edit; Also try going fox right away and remember soul transfussion isn't just for cheap mp refills. Then there's also the Fortify+Feral Concentration trick for higher levels... Really, venos have nothing if not survival tricks...
  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Thats another thing... how could people have trouble with chi?

    On my barb, I can get like 1 spark every 2 seconds (AOE)

    On my BM, marrows with skill spam makes chi go fast , but that fast.

    Veno, facerolling gets spark epically fast too.

    Clerics can spam IH over and over
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Nobody said there is any trouble with getting chi.

    Just that you shouldn't waste it on stupid skills.
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Nobody said there is any trouble with getting chi.

    Just that you shouldn't waste it on stupid skills.

    too late, "stupid skills" already maxed available ... oh, and I beaten a 6x archer with mage bane (I actually thought he was 5x because of his stash bow I saw, an he was wearing 4x LA)

    Oh, and that same skill, I used it on an 8x archer, he thought he'd one shot me but he didn't, all though he was playing around. But I actually chiped his HP below 1/4... I figured he used a level 1 skill but lol. I was impressed from the mage bane

    + veno's frost scarab helps against them pesky shields too, especially in PVP when you have DOTs stacked on archers with winged shell buff
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    HA > LA > AR... GG

    HA + VIT = win b:bye
  • Asperitas - Lost City
    Asperitas - Lost City Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    + veno's frost scarab helps against them pesky shields too, especially in PVP when you have DOTs stacked on archers with winged shell buff

    Respect for you, sir.
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  • DeathBanana - Heavens Tear
    DeathBanana - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,674 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    DoTs in PvP ftw b:cool
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    too late, "stupid skills" already maxed available ... oh, and I beaten a 6x archer with mage bane (I actually thought he was 5x because of his stash bow I saw, an he was wearing 4x LA)

    Oh, and that same skill, I used it on an 8x archer, he thought he'd one shot me but he didn't, all though he was playing around. But I actually chiped his HP below 1/4... I figured he used a level 1 skill but lol. I was impressed from the mage bane

    + veno's frost scarab helps against them pesky shields too, especially in PVP when you have DOTs stacked on archers with winged shell buff

    And I suppose next you're going to tell us how awesome Quickshot (and yes, I mean pre-demon), Tiger Maw, and draw blood are in your amazing level 50 PK adventures and how you were ale to own people around your level range with them too, right? b:chuckle


    The fact that you even consider an archers winged shell as something pesky shows how much experience you lack and how much you need to go play the game. Shell is the "I need to survive one hit really desperately" skill later on. Any class with any clue of what they're doing can and will pop it with one attack,so wasting a spark to do a DoT when you can pop the thing with an attack, then spark and nuke is just a waste of your time.
  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Wait, this guy thinks Winged Shell is pesky?

    Well now I really have seen it all.
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  • Bladecutter - Sanctuary
    Bladecutter - Sanctuary Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    too late, "stupid skills" already maxed available ... oh, and I beaten a 6x archer with mage bane (I actually thought he was 5x because of his stash bow I saw, an he was wearing 4x LA)

    mage bane... i used that skill for a while and was never usefull, stop wasting ur sparks on it just cus it does dmg..... the 100% accuracy is not worth it for 1 spark, might as well wear misty or two and save your sparks for either drake bash, HF, spark burst.... or might as well ask a demon to steal your chi =S

    btw, his armor doesnt exactly prove how win he is. any LA lvl 60 with 4x armor will receive lots of dmg

    btw2, i used to fear winged shell, but after lvl 70 youll just 1 hit it -.-...
  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    truekossy wrote: »
    And I suppose next you're going to tell us how awesome Quickshot (and yes, I mean pre-demon), Tiger Maw, and draw blood are in your amazing level 50 PK adventures and how you were ale to own people around your level range with them too, right? b:chuckle


    The fact that you even consider an archers winged shell as something pesky shows how much experience you lack and how much you need to go play the game. Shell is the "I need to survive one hit really desperately" skill later on. Any class with any clue of what they're doing can and will pop it with one attack,so wasting a spark to do a DoT when you can pop the thing with an attack, then spark and nuke is just a waste of your time.

    First, I'm not tarded enough to go in PK mode. Big e-peen factions might gank me.
    Duels is where you know what levels (kinda) your fighting to be fair, no OP genies or them OP blessings (unless if your silly enough or have blessings yourself) you get for free just to make 1 shot contest. Even if I was on a PVP server, I wouldn't even fight back because I don't like the idea of losing or taking someone's items they or I earned from PVE. I won't even bother wasting my money on binding or guardian scrolls or w/e. Waste of money.

    Winged shell may be taken out in 1 shot later, but not only that... what about barb's invoke? Cleric's plume shell? Veno's bramble guard and bramble hood (I have seen people with bad ideas to try to dish out power skills and one shot them selves from screen shots) Oh yea, don't forget psychic's soul reflect and white voodoo which all these skills won't be disabled by one attack. DOTs stops them there.
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    HA > LA > AR... GG

    HA + VIT = win b:bye
  • DeathBanana - Heavens Tear
    DeathBanana - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,674 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    End-game clerics don't plume shell b:surrender

    EDIT: Much, at least.
    EDIT2: Ok, they still do sometimes
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    DeathBanana - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    End-game clerics don't plume shell b:surrender

    EDIT: Much, at least.

    They don't? What has the game come to? b:laugh
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  • DeathBanana - Heavens Tear
    DeathBanana - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,674 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Can't heal your MP >.>
    demon IH doesn't count
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    DeathBanana - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Can't heal your MP >.>
    demon IH doesn't count

    I managed my MP as a cleric, wasn't too hard.
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    VIT > STR > DEX > MAG... GG
    HA > LA > AR... GG

    HA + VIT = win b:bye
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    DeathBanana - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    DoTs in PvP ftw b:cool

    I really hope that's sarcasm. b:bye
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    First, I'm not tarded enough to go in PK mode. Big e-peen factions might gank me.
    Duels is where you know what levels (kinda) your fighting to be fair, no OP genies or them OP blessings (unless if your silly enough or have blessings yourself) you get for free just to make 1 shot contest. Even if I was on a PVP server, I wouldn't even fight back because I don't like the idea of losing or taking someone's items they or I earned from PVE. I won't even bother wasting my money on binding or guardian scrolls or w/e. Waste of money.

    Winged shell may be taken out in 1 shot later, but not only that... what about barb's invoke? Cleric's plume shell? Veno's bramble guard and bramble hood (I have seen people with bad ideas to try to dish out power skills and one shot them selves from screen shots) Oh yea, don't forget psychic's soul reflect and white voodoo which all these skills won't be disabled by one attack. DOTs stops them there.

    Oh... my...

    Hahahahahahahahaha! Oh wow!

    Someone please respond to this idiot, because I seriously can't stop laughing from this.

    Just so you know, I am most certainly laughing at you and not with you. Did not think people were as stupid as this but apparently I was wrong. Oh man.... thanks for that laugh, dude. I really needed it.
  • DeathBanana - Heavens Tear
    DeathBanana - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,674 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    I really hope that's sarcasm. b:bye

    ofc >.>
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    I really hope that's sarcasm. b:bye

    well, how come I used it fine? b:puzzled I kited a barb and axe BM with it and still won with ranged attacks... my screen shots are not on this comp... no pwi here b:sad
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  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    well, how come I used it fine? b:puzzled I kited a barb and axe BM with it and still won with ranged attacks... my screen shots are not on this comp... no pwi here b:sad

    Yeah, sure.

    Just like I apparently cash shop just because you can't handle the fact that people can easily make money in this game without having to spend a dime with IRL money, you 'magically' have no screenshots to share here.

    You're one of the biggest hypocrites I've seen ever on this forum. And a **** one at that.
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    FLAMES!!


    fire.jpg

    Don't panic!!! Hello kitty fire extinguishers will take out the flames!!
    kittey-extinguisher.jpg

    As far as pixel things you have, I careless. + I had more flames in another MMORPG when I liked to PVP back then a lot more than you, rage more please b:pleased
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    HA > LA > AR... GG

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  • DeathBanana - Heavens Tear
    DeathBanana - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,674 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Poster says Yulk is a hypocrite, Yulk gives poster hello kitty fire extinguishers

    Just an idle, out of context observation b:chuckle
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  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    DeathBanana - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Poster says Yulk is a hypocrite, Yulk gives poster hello kitty fire extinguishers

    Just an idle, out of context observation b:chuckle

    I giggled. xD

    Poser says Yulk is a hypocrite, Yulk gives poster hello kitty fire extinguishers and tells them to rage more please.

    Just added a bit. ;D
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  • DeathBanana - Heavens Tear
    DeathBanana - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,674 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Poser says Yulk is a hypocrite, Yulk gives poster hello kitty fire extinguishers and tells them to rage more please.

    Nice typo b:chuckle
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  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    DeathBanana - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Nice typo b:chuckle

    Dammit.

    I'm tired. ._.

    However, I'm just... going to leave that in there anyway. I've already been caught out. QQ 5:13 AM does not help me when it comes to what I want to type... and what I do end up typing. XD
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  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Frost Scarab - you keep it at lvl 1 till you get your demon book (for pvp). like probably others already said, a spark with any other skills is more useful.
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Thats another thing... how could people have trouble with chi?

    Veno, facerolling gets spark epically fast too.

    Purely trying to gain chi, a macro for all our chi-gaining attacks takes several seconds to run, and only gains about 60 chi. (And after using it they're all stuck in cooldown) Compared to a fist-user we're really quite slow. We do gain pretty fast when in fox form, I'll grant.

    And in a normal situation, I'm using ironwood heavily (costs 20 chi) and often the 79 skills which cost 30 chi.
    I can actually run out, if I try, even if I'm not using lending hand.


    And mm, demon frost is actually quite good. Stop in place is much better than slow. It's one of the arguments for going demon. But it's still not reliable.
  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    And mm, demon frost is actually quite good. Stop in place is much better than slow. It's one of the arguments for going demon. But it's still not reliable.
    You know, that brings up something I've been wondering about but haven't had a chance to test since I haven't had much time to play lately.

    In some situations, when you freeze a mob and it can't reach the person who has aggro, it will simply switch to a someone it can hit.

    In other situations, I've seen the mob freeze and just stand there, still facing the person who has aggro but is out of range (tracking him if he moves, so it's not stunned). For some reason, it doesn't switch targets to someone it can hit.

    I've been wondering what causes the two different behaviors. If you can reliably produce the second behavior, then great. Freeze away. But if the first behavior is the norm, then slow is better than freeze. You slow it, and it wastes time trying to reach the person with aggro, doing no damage meanwhile.

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