Balancing

Lylfo - Dreamweaver · July 2010

kenlee wrote: »

lmao, like you get any armor repair in 30sec boss fight

No, the attack speed wears down the fist's durability very fast. I think you'll need to go out and repair or bring spare fists to do 1 tt 3-2 or 3-3 run.

@ Daggster

Realize that even at 0 channeling, you can never get more than 2 spell per second since most spells have at least .5 sec casting time, and there is nothing to remove cooldown so you can never keep spamming the 2 spells.
If you want to invest in channeling jsut to increase your PvE dps, it would be far more beneficial to reroll a fist user and spend them on int gears.

@ the person who thinks that the game is balanced
1 in 5 says that its balanced, 4 out of 5 says that its not.
I am sure that if you are part of the imbalanced class, you would say its balanced.b:bye

KyyranthoX - Heavens Tear · July 2010

QQ thread.

oyamajio · July 2010

Having read a few lines, I know what you're trying to say. It's been posted many and may times in different words but with exactly the same meaning. What's so funny is that if you think carefully what's imbalanced on the one side is balanced on the other side.

The only aspect that seems to outweigh the rest is the stealth skill. It just doesn't make any sense to to design a class that can see the other classes but not vice versa. So how did they try to fix this? They've allowed RT owner to make detection pots. They've designed a crappy mechanism for detection based on level differences. How ridiculous is that? Really, how stupid is that? He can just walk pass by you and sit on top of your head while you're standing RIGHT THERE and wondering where the hell he went. This is just crazy, well more than crazy. Hmm...what's a better word?

Edit: Oh hey, after a while he just popped out of nowhere, stun and seal you. There you go bam! Your blood shatters all over the floor and after a few seconds you've realised that you're dead. Bye bye.

Redmenace - Heavens Tear · July 2010

Cervantia - Sanctuary wrote: »

Then move on and don't post - it's a forum you can expect written stuff there. Besides you could have waited for the poll and just clicked your opinion... the text explains in detail (yes detail means long) what my arguments for the poll are, but there is no need to read them if you don't want to.

So what is the purpose of this poll?

So you get a count of how many people agree with you. Then what?

Present your petition to the Devs and, dazzled by your brilliant logic, they immediately assign 20 programmers to the task of implementing your ideas?

NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

You can expound at length (and I'm sure you will) at how The Desires Of The Public Need To Be Listened To For Continued Success, but frankly this game has been running more than long enough for PWI to have decided it works well enough to be profitable.

If you had bothered to search the forum, you would have noticed that about once a week, some upstanding player creates a new thread and declares "OMG, this game is seriously flawed" and proceeds to 1) tell us how to fix it and 2) be highly indignant that it isn't "corrected" right away.

This is the way they have built this game. Learn to cope with it. If you disapprove, then you have the option to pick a different game.

Vote with your Feet.

RedMenace

\this is a multi-player game
\\this means that you're not the only one here, or with ideas
\\\but obviously yours are unique <facepalm.jpg>

Daggster - Lost City · July 2010

well i already told u that i have a 9x cleric and a 100 archer and i can't see the imbalance u guys are talking about. the 4/5 votes seems like most people on forums(that care about such QQ threads) seem to be like u .. haveing no idea of how to play lol ... btw. there are many people on the forums that didn't vote lol so its kinda usless saying that 4/5 people think your way ... the better saying of this thread is that almost(since there are some non fails in here too) 1/5 of people like u don't think your way b:laugh

and @ the one QQing about stealth ... take a look @ similar classes to sins @ other mmopgs, no1 QQs about the stealth in those games cause they simply learn to handle with it!

Lylfo - Dreamweaver · July 2010

Well Daggster, for someone who doesnt even know about casting time and a lot of other aspects of the game, I do not know how you managed to get lvl 9x cleric, 10xarcher and a 9x sin.

When i say the problem isnt balance, it means the problem lies more with hyper noobs and bh addicts who level too fast without knowing anything, and you Daggster is the perfect example of one.

oyamajio · July 2010

Daggster - Lost City wrote: »

well i already told u that i have a 9x cleric and a 100 archer and i can't see the imbalance u guys are talking about. the 4/5 votes seems like most people on forums(that care about such QQ threads) seem to be like u .. haveing no idea of how to play lol ... btw. there are many people on the forums that didn't vote lol so its kinda usless saying that 4/5 people think your way ... the better saying of this thread is that almost(since there are some non fails in here too) 1/5 of people like u don't think your way b:laugh

and @ the one QQing about stealth ... take a look @ similar classes to sins @ other mmopgs, no1 QQs about the stealth in those games cause they simply learn to handle with it!

"learn to handle" hmm... "learn to handle." Wait a minute "learn to handle." Do you even know the level of comparison you're dealing with here? That skill is equivalent to cheating, hacking, sort of stuffs like that.

Daggster - Lost City · July 2010

lol my archer hited lvl100 before hypers where out! And my cleric was 92 before hypers and before bh, so where's your point? - Oh lol it's gone QQ

and lolol @ saying that the stealth skill = with cheating hacking and what ever ...

go b:cry more ... if it is that superb go play a sin ... u will still fail and then u will b:cryb:cry even more lol

WillowVIII - Dreamweaver · July 2010

You guys need to think a bit and know that if you're a Wizard spending the same amount of money that a 5aps BM or Assassin is will be just as or even more OP than we are. High level wizzies without cash shop items can already 1 shot an Assassin, and maybe 2 shot a BM. If they spend the several hundred million coins that the BMs/Assassins do, then they not only end up being able to 1 shot everything, but also with physical defense higher than an Assassin's because of that Stone Shield Buff.

The people I see complaining most of the time are noncashshopping, average poor people that compare their damage output or pve/pvp capabilities with those that actually buy gold or spend their time to become rich. Obviously if you can afford better stuff, your char is going to be better than everyone else's.

Lylfo - Dreamweaver · July 2010

This is abut how this game is imbalanced. Saying that its balanced because of another imbalanced class isnt going to convince anyone that your class is balanced.

Also, theres a difference between PvP-related and PvE-related imbalance aspects.

The thing is, wizard is only good at PvP if you use aps as the standard (which is getting more common these days with more people favoring high aps character as DD)
- well maybe in PvE they'll still be more effective at AoE related stuff

5 aps toons excels in both PvE and PvP.

And lastly, what about clerics, venos and psychics? They shouldnt be played at all? Try to come up with another more convincing argument please. b:bye

truekossy · July 2010

WillowVIII - Dreamweaver wrote: »

High level wizzies without cash shop items can already tick an assassin's charm

Fixed. Deaden nerves so pro lah. b:bye

Lylfo - Dreamweaver · July 2010

That shows how well she know her class lah b:chuckle

Ursa - Dreamweaver · July 2010

look guys, 5aps rule the game in PvE.
Whoever says anything else is just in denial.

Yes, +12 rank8 wizards will drop you in 1-2 hits. That if you have +5 gear with perfects in it. If not, ain't that easy. Don't tell me u need to get melee in PvP to kill a ranged magic class, you have the skills (speed buffs, teleports, stuns, genie) to get near the arcane user. If you can't do it properly, too bad, you just suck.
Farming a rank8 in a week (or 3 weeks if you have less time and need a cleric companion) as a permasparked melee class is not balanced in any way or shape with what a wizard/cleric/sin can do alone.

And yes, endgame wizards are the masters with the jones blessing, but to be nirvana geared and +10 at least with vit/garnet gems you need a permasparked class to finance yourself.
Before that class was veno. Now that class can be any 4-5/aps. Doesn't matter much.
Roll one of those, farm your ****, refine it, than go on-shot-kill with your magic class all the tards running around in PvP with 5aps melee classes.

Stop QQ-ing, nobody will do anything about it. PWI is not the future of PWE, is the past. PWI is just a placeholder until newer games come out.
Sell your gear on the caster, roll a permasparked class, once you're 95+ farm/buy all your gear back in 2-3 weeks and then work to refine/improve the caster.
Adapt and survive, resist and die/quit.

oyamajio · July 2010

Daggster - Lost City wrote: »

lol my archer hited lvl100 before hypers where out! And my cleric was 92 before hypers and before bh, so where's your point? - Oh lol it's gone QQ

and lolol @ saying that the stealth skill = with cheating hacking and what ever ...

go b:cry more ... if it is that superb go play a sin ... u will still fail and then u will b:cryb:cry even more lol

Watch your mouth, junior. What do you mean by QQ? Your tongue seems to get stucked with QQ, lol... Been spending your whole damn life playing too many online games, huh? Is that how you talk to people, your mum or your dad? It has no meaning whatsoever, other than an attempt to taunt someone.

Joshcja - Sanctuary · July 2010

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This is abut how this game is imbalanced. Saying that its balanced because of another imbalanced class isnt going to convince anyone that your class is balanced.

Also, theres a difference between PvP-related and PvE-related imbalance aspects.

The thing is, wizard is only good at PvP if you use aps as the standard (which is getting more common these days with more people favoring high aps character as DD)
- well maybe in PvE they'll still be more effective at AoE related stuff

5 aps toons excels in both PvE and PvP.

And lastly, what about clerics, venos and psychics? They shouldnt be played at all? Try to come up with another more convincing argument please. b:bye

so classes have different roles? and even preform differently in pvp/pve?

well golly gee i never would have suspected this

and consider how a class with no weapon modifier on its skills of over 200% and lower refine/stat bounus would kill in pvp without either

A)obscene luck

B)more obscene luck

C) high DPS to make up for lack of spike damage

clerics have the best single target controll and some of the most annoying spike combos in game 3 survival shells rediculous heals and can deal phys damage as an arcane

venos have soo many imunes and debuffs + bleed and the ability to kite for god dam ever while gettign more phys def than a HA class

psys are a arcane class with a spamable +50% crit skill and a 400% weapon add aoe+ soulburn phys imune white voodoo and more control skills than a bm

oh and with blessing around and ever toon in game seemign to have +3 armor and a +10 weapon every 5 aps class is either a 2 shot (sins) 3-4 shot (bm's and barbs) or just plain 1 shots (archers though admitedly they get a nice boost from the bless to)

5 aps on the cheap side is 500 mill if you geat really lucky with no refines or shards on my server. consider what you can get for the same price tag then consider all that gear+12 with max shards. the game is balanced at the only place that really matters pvp endgame (amazingly hitting 100 does nto qualify you as being at endgame if you have forementioned +3 armor and +10 weapon)

Lylfo - Dreamweaver · July 2010

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

clerics have the best single target controll and some of the most annoying spike combos in game 3 survival shells rediculous heals and can deal phys damage as an arcaneyea a sleep that can be resisted by 3 classes and also genie skill, and im pretty sure a seal,2 stuns, 1 sleep, 1 paralyse doesnt qualify sins as the best single target control class

venos have soo many imunes and debuffs + bleed and the ability to kite for god dam ever while gettign more phys def than a HA classplease do no assume all venos have a nix/bleed pet, so many immunities? what are you smoking? its only bramble guard and bramble buff thingy, and thats not an imunity

psys are a arcane class with a spamable +50% crit skill and a 400% weapon add aoe+ soulburn phys imune white voodoo and more control skills than a bmthe 400% weapon add aoe costs 40 mil, and having a max white voodoo will make you deal 1% damage., note the physical immune part, you are saying that jsut because you are a bm and its not balanced for you

oh and with blessing around and ever toon in game seemign to have +3 armor and a +10 weapon every 5 aps class is either a 2 shot (sins) 3-4 shot (bm's and barbs) or just plain 1 shots (archers though admitedly they get a nice boost from the bless to)and barbs arma doesnt get buffed from the blessing? and bm doesnt? you can do your hf bramble rage combo more effciently now

5 aps on the cheap side is 500 mill if you geat really lucky with no refines or shards on my server. consider what you can get for the same price tag then consider all that gear+12 with max shards. the game is balanced at the only place that really matters pvp endgame (amazingly hitting 100 does nto qualify you as being at endgame if you have forementioned +3 armor and +10 weapon)how do you even get 500mil? its so much cheaper than 500 mil.

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Kupuntu - Sanctuary · July 2010

If you are a low 90 caster class with average gears (maybe +3 max on armors and flawless shards), a level 80 sin kills you so easily. Come out of stealth, stun and hit a couple of times. A BM can do that too of course, stun lock the cleric and then kill.

The problem with sins is this: In every situation, sin can ambush the enemy. The problem isn't their power, attack skills or anything like that. If other classes want to do that, they gotta drop from the sky.

Ursa - Dreamweaver · July 2010

so there is a way to do it, right?

sure , sins have it easier, but there is a way, and not one that takes a lot of skill

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

5 aps on the cheap side is 500 mill if you geat really lucky with no refines or shards on my server. consider what you can get for the same price tag then consider all that gear+12 with max shards. the game is balanced at the only place that really matters pvp endgame (amazingly hitting 100 does nto qualify you as being at endgame if you have forementioned +3 armor and +10 weapon)

lol, rly?
god damn it.. .:) 500 mil.
U're trying to scare daycare kids or something?
I can get to 4 aps on my BM alt using/selling the unbound gear I have on my wiz and I still have left cash to oracle him to 75 ( FC range).
Once with 4aps I can farm the gear I need (99 la+ha combo) for 5aps.
Are u kidding me? 500 mil? roflmao.
If I could sell the event boots/hat/cape i have on wizard I could make a 11k HP BM unbuffed by lvl 95. And then farm the whole **** back in about a month or so.

500 mil, that's gotta be the joke of the week. yeah, 500 mil including the oracles for 1-80 and the gear you buy during that time+hypers and stuff you will use in FC to get to 95.

Loarvion - Dreamweaver · July 2010

long ago when there were no ann packs and things like it ppl were all good everyone was happy because venos were the top pkers with there nixes and bm were useless clerics were needed in squads archers used to do a lot of damage but not a lot that would always take agro from barbs now lets c now.

-barbs r useless they cant keep agro at all
-bms can solo EVERYTHING including nirvana
-archers r now fists all archers use fists
-clerics r getting squishier and squishier
-venos QQ more cause they cant find a squad to do anything they used to get a lot of money from TT but thx to double drops TT mats r worthless i dont c a reason to do TT anymore
-wizards do a lot of damage now have 10k+ phys def so easily do a lot of damage but cant get into a single squad maybe in delta even that not much cause they do way more damage than boa and steal more agro and in nirvana they r useless i cant say how many wizards ik made clerics so they can nirvana(cause of account stash they dont need to farm new gears otherwise i think bm would be better) those wizards r cash shoppers as far as i can tell

- imo i think sins r op but thats is normal cause that is the conept behind them other wise u should name them something else i think there only op skills r the one that save them from death and the one that makes it impossible to debuff them if a cleric cant sleep his opponent he is as good as dead
-psychs idk y anyone plays them honestly i dont c a single good thinga bout them but thats just me

Lylfo - Dreamweaver · July 2010

psychics has the potential to be as godly as wizard in terms of pvp without the pdef boosting armor thingy.

something like if you refine your gears to +10/+12, your soulforce will get to a stage where people would die from attacking you(might be exaggerated)

and they have hard hitting lvl 100 aoe spells, along with physical immunity, and good damage boost from voodoo too.

truekossy · July 2010

Loarvion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

-wizards do a lot of damage now have 10k+ phys def so easily do a lot of damage but cant get into a single squad maybe in delta even that not much cause they do way more damage than boa and steal more agro

Demon barrage outdamages DB by far. However, Sage DB = stun = extra aggro generated.

Michael_Dark - Lost City · July 2010

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The thing is, wizard is only good at PvP if you use aps as the standard (which is getting more common these days with more people favoring high aps character as DD)
- well maybe in PvE they'll still be more effective at AoE related stuff

5 aps toons excels in both PvE and PvP.

Sorry, you're wrong. 5aps has a hard time coping with end-game mages and archers. With the Jones Blessing being pretty much permanent now, archers who can use fists and bows as well as mages are the two most OP classes in the game. 5aps is only broken in PvE. In PvP you're going to die quicker against an archer than you will against a 5aps BM. The BM will need to get in melee range, the archer does not.

To make a 5aps character, you could probably get Rank 8 on a mage, archer or cleric or make a fist barb/veno. The only character more expensive than a 5aps BM would be 5aps Sin. Rank 8/Nirvana mages and archers rule the game and own TW.

So until you can afford Rank 8, you can't really complain about how OP a class is, because you have no valid comparison, especially if your gear is average or even decent.

Lylfo - Dreamweaver · July 2010

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Sorry, you're wrong. 5aps has a hard time coping with end-game mages and archers. With the Jones Blessing being pretty much permanent now, archers who can use fists and bows as well as mages are the two most OP classes in the game. 5aps is only broken in PvE. In PvP you're going to die quicker against an archer than you will against a 5aps BM. The BM will need to get in melee range, the archer does not.

To make a 5aps character, you could probably get Rank 8 on a mage, archer or cleric or make a fist barb/veno. The only character more expensive than a 5aps BM would be 5aps Sin. Rank 8/Nirvana mages and archers rule the game and own TW.

So until you can afford Rank 8, you can't really complain about how OP a class is, because you have no valid comparison, especially if your gear is average or even decent.

The argument then will be 5 aps bm can farm PvE instances to make end game mages but the same cannot be said for mages who wants to make 5 aps bm. So it is kinda imbalanced there.

And I bet most of the people commenting in this thread cannot afford rank 8. Does it mean that we are not allowed to talk about game balance anymore?

Also you do realise that 5 aps sin can always reach their target? Its not just about BM ijs.

BigFIuffy - Archosaur · July 2010

Have you seen the skill expel for your genie? no physical damage for 8 seconds

Dakaruch - Lost City · July 2010

Euphy - Dreamweaver wrote:

Whatever... the "issues" you're talking about aren't important.

First Imbalance: Channeling vs. Interval

The basic, bottom line is that NOTHING compares to 5,0atk/sec sparked normal attacks. This is OBVIOUS given that Barbarians, Archers, Assassins, Blademasters - hell - even Venomancers are switching over to fists. Three of those classes prefer to abandon all of their skills to imitate!!! That is not balance.

Interval doesn't align with Channeling in the least. My equipment costs easily as much as my husbands. I have -71% Channeling sparked. He has 5,0 atk/sec sparked. My fastest attack still takes me 1,33 seconds to use. So thats what.... 18,000 damage? My hubby gets 3,000 per hit... so... 15,000 damage? Okay... but he can perma-spark. I can't. Its completely impossible. Which means I drop to -46% after 15 seconds and lose 700% weapon attack bonus.
Besides that was my fastest offensive spell. All the others have a longer CASTING time which is separate from channeling and cannot be reduced. So then my DPS is even lower in comparison. Because casting time doesn't scale lineally with power.
Don't tell me to use sleep, because everyone knows melees can stun luck the best.

Other:

Repair bills, mana-usage, blah, blah, blah, skill costs, blah, pets costs: that's your class. Its not really a balance issue.

Whatever... To me this seems more like a bunch of QQ trying to say magic users are nerfed... FFS. I'll say this once more:
1-magic classes can attack from range, if you let a bm get close to you, to stun you and **** you with 5.0 APS, then sorry, but you're ****ing dumb. If you dunno how to kite a spark from a melee user you might aswell reroll to another class cause you totally dunno how to play a magic class.
2- -channeling gear is less expensive then interval gear, so don't try to compare things. Alot of HH magic weapons got -interval, bms have 2 weapons with -interval, 1 cv, 1 HH. Our HH100 weapon with interval is more expensive then your hh100 with channeling. You can get channeling from rings, belts, necklaces... Can't get interval from rings, and only way to get interval with belts/necklaces is to use 2 pieces of light armor gear and 2 pieces of heavy gear. Then there's also nirvana gear that bm need for 5.0 speed unless you're a hell bm and use HA ornaments or LA ornaments. Then there's also tomes, where it gives you 1% channeling and gives 0.05 -interval. The thing is, you can just **** on that 1% channeling, but a 5.0 APS build can't, unless you want to be terribad with evasion ornaments.

And tbh, this thread isn't anything more then people complaining about this and that, the thing is... The game is how it is, if you can't move on and adapt to how it is, then too bad, go play some FPS, RTS and just quit tha interwebz.

Michael_Dark - Lost City · July 2010

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The argument then will be 5 aps bm can farm PvE instances to make end game mages but the same cannot be said for mages who wants to make 5 aps bm. So it is kinda imbalanced there.

And I bet most of the people commenting in this thread cannot afford rank 8. Does it mean that we are not allowed to talk about game balance anymore?

Also you do realise that 5 aps sin can always reach their target? Its not just about BM ijs.

Just because one class can do something better than the other, it should be nerfed? lol As long as classes have different skills, different weapons, different gear, there will never be any real balance, especially where you can either spend a lot of time or money, or both to improving your gear when other people, well actually most people, don't really bother.

Most of the people commenting in this thread can't afford 5aps either. If they can't really afford either, then complaining about it makes little sense and for the most part, is meaningless.

Yes, and sins kill people quickly... that's what they do, they're called Assassins for a reason?

fudgesicles · July 2010

Reading this made me think of Clerks 2...

One ring to rule them all...

Lylfo - Dreamweaver · July 2010

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Just because one class can do something better than the other, it should be nerfed? lol As long as classes have different skills, different weapons, different gear, there will never be any real balance, especially where you can either spend a lot of time or money, or both to improving your gear when other people, well actually most people, don't really bother.

Most of the people commenting in this thread can't afford 5aps either. If they can't really afford either, then complaining about it makes little sense and for the most part, is meaningless.

Yes, and sins kill people quickly... that's what they do, they're called Assassins for a reason?

BigFIuffy - Archosaur wrote: »

Have you seen the skill expel for your genie? no physical damage for 8 seconds

Dakaruch - Lost City wrote: »

Whatever... To me this seems more like a bunch of QQ trying to say magic users are nerfed... FFS. I'll say this once more:
1-magic classes can attack from range, if you let a bm get close to you, to stun you and **** you with 5.0 APS, then sorry, but you're ****ing dumb. If you dunno how to kite a spark from a melee user you might aswell reroll to another class cause you totally dunno how to play a magic class.
2- -channeling gear is less expensive then interval gear, so don't try to compare things. Alot of HH magic weapons got -interval, bms have 2 weapons with -interval, 1 cv, 1 HH. Our HH100 weapon with interval is more expensive then your hh100 with channeling. You can get channeling from rings, belts, necklaces... Can't get interval from rings, and only way to get interval with belts/necklaces is to use 2 pieces of light armor gear and 2 pieces of heavy gear. Then there's also nirvana gear that bm need for 5.0 speed unless you're a hell bm and use HA ornaments or LA ornaments. Then there's also tomes, where it gives you 1% channeling and gives 0.05 -interval. The thing is, you can just **** on that 1% channeling, but a 5.0 APS build can't, unless you want to be terribad with evasion ornaments.

And tbh, this thread isn't anything more then people complaining about this and that, the thing is... The game is how it is, if you can't move on and adapt to how it is, then too bad, go play some FPS, RTS and just quit tha interwebz.

Thngs in red are things that you should look at further.
Yes all of you make perfect sense. I can't believe I couldn't see how balanced this game is!!

Michael_Dark - Lost City · July 2010

Lylfo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yes all of you make perfect sense. I can't believe I couldn't see how balanced this game is!!

You're an idiot. Where did I say I thought the game was balanced? b:bye

Ursa - Dreamweaver · July 2010

Dakaruch - Lost City wrote: »

Whatever... To me this seems more like a bunch of QQ trying to say magic users are nerfed... FFS. I'll say this once more:
1-magic classes can attack from range, if you let a bm get close to you, to stun you and **** you with 5.0 APS, then sorry, but you're ****ing dumb. If you dunno how to kite a spark from a melee user you might aswell reroll to another class cause you totally dunno how to play a magic class.
2- -channeling gear is less expensive then interval gear, so don't try to compare things. Alot of HH magic weapons got -interval, bms have 2 weapons with -interval, 1 cv, 1 HH. Our HH100 weapon with interval is more expensive then your hh100 with channeling. You can get channeling from rings, belts, necklaces... Can't get interval from rings, and only way to get interval with belts/necklaces is to use 2 pieces of light armor gear and 2 pieces of heavy gear. Then there's also nirvana gear that bm need for 5.0 speed unless you're a hell bm and use HA ornaments or LA ornaments. Then there's also tomes, where it gives you 1% channeling and gives 0.05 -interval. The thing is, you can just **** on that 1% channeling, but a 5.0 APS build can't, unless you want to be terribad with evasion ornaments.

And tbh, this thread isn't anything more then people complaining about this and that, the thing is... The game is how it is, if you can't move on and adapt to how it is, then too bad, go play some FPS, RTS and just quit tha interwebz.

working on postcount?
cause honestly, trying to put an "=" of any kind between channel and interval is one of the most stupid things you can do/talk in regard to this game.

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