Balancing

Lylfo - Dreamweaver

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

You're an idiot. Where did I say I thought the game was balanced? b:bye

ok so this game is imbalanced -.-

edit: I missed the I am an idiot part. I am an idiot. And no you did not say it. Kinda bugs me though, which side are you on then?

fudgesicles

If I could imagine a scent for this thread...it would smell like mothballs

Hudini - Harshlands

mmm pve server complaining about pvp balance. For sins really get the genie skill expel, unless your getting one shot it makes it easy....then I dunno for a cleric sleep the sin and proceed to one shot it lol.

The only thing I would like to see changed really is the nix. And not the dmg out put because venos would be pretty pathetic with out them but just the speed. They are a little fast for my taste.

Also Kiting bms isnt all pie, after all they can run really fast. I mean how is an archer supposed to kite a bm? With Genie skills a bm could probably stun lock you forever.

I guess the point is there is a way for every class to beat every class, some of the matchups may favor one side, but really you have plumshot, can you say imba?

Ursa - Dreamweaver

Sin's can't be onshot ... well, the ones that have a bit of awareness anyway.

Crazydan - Heavens Tear

Sin r the only OP class cause time and time again i get a sin come outta stealth and kill me even after i absoulte domain and ironguard powder cause i get stun locked and even if i do survive he just stealths again and hides if anything i would want the cooldown onn stealth to be like 5 mins or something so when they come outta stealth they better kill their target or they r screwed

Angarika - Harshlands

Sins are Op, I can own people 20 level higher then me. I killed a 7x barb in tiger lol. I'm Op...b:victory

Lylfo - Dreamweaver

Hudini - Harshlands wrote: »

mmm pve server complaining about pvp balance. For sins really get the genie skill expel, unless your getting one shot it makes it easy....then I dunno for a cleric sleep the sin and proceed to one shot it lol.

The only thing I would like to see changed really is the nix. And not the dmg out put because venos would be pretty pathetic with out them but just the speed. They are a little fast for my taste.

Also Kiting bms isnt all pie, after all they can run really fast. I mean how is an archer supposed to kite a bm? With Genie skills a bm could probably stun lock you forever.

I guess the point is there is a way for every class to beat every class, some of the matchups may favor one side, but really you have plumshot, can you say imba?

nix is so 2009 b:bye

Loarvion - Dreamweaver

lol as far as i can c all the ones QQing r the spell casters and the ones who r happy r the bms b:chuckle soooo untill spell casters say yeah we r op we r not ;o

its impossible to compare interval to chan lets c my usuall attacking vs most HA and LA is great cyclone weildthunder great cyclone then i have a sec or 2 with so skills to use ofc i can use a plume shot but that would be useless against anything but clerics and non fox form venos in those sec or 2 a charm ticks it happend to me 100 times that i thought of getting elven boon but it sux so idk

Quilue - Sanctuary

You could try to fight in the air...

really, with Jone's Blessing, every magic user shouldn't talk until they take it out

with regards to PvE balance, it's hard to say, because if magic users could deal that much DPS from range then it'd be grossly OP in PvP. Maybe giving bosses drastically decreased mdef would help.

MagicHamsta - Lost City

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

You could try to fight in the air...

really, with Jone's Blessing, every magic user shouldn't talk until they take it out

Me don't has access to the facebook.

that be assigned to someone else.
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fudgesicles

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

Me don't has access to the facebook.

that be assigned to someone else.
._.'

Make a fake one, the worst that can happen is your facebook account gets deleted

MagicHamsta - Lost City

fudgesicles wrote: »

Make a fake one, the worst that can happen is your facebook account gets deleted

Me cannot.
Facebook be already assigned to another.
Me would has to have a good enough reason to gain access to another's project.
x.x'

fudgesicles

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

Me cannot.
Facebook be already assigned to another.
Me would has to have a good enough reason to gain access to another's project.
x.x'

You made no sense, but oh well you can't make a fb account

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear

we can hope, ask, beg, plead, ticket, etc, till worlds end, but unless it makes PWI money, they wont give a damn what we want or have to say. all we are to them are bio machines that open wallets for them so they can extract our hard earned money with their bloody gambling games.

Desiree - Harshlands

This game has never been in-balance. Take a look at end-end game.
- a veno is good for nothing but purge; a nix's damage is laughable and veno spells are weak
- a wizard can one-shot any class (except vit barbs)
- a psychic is an unkillable tank - every attack seals you, status effect is reflected back, every physical damage is reflected back to you, charm cooldown is decreased, and white voodoo is an effective perma-turtle
- a vit build barb with 40k HP is unkillable unless being ganked by two full squads with wizards, but they can perdition one-shot just about anyone

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Desiree - Harshlands wrote: »

This game has never been in-balance. Take a look at end-end game.
- a veno is good for nothing but purge; a nix's damage is laughable and veno spells are weak
- a wizard can one-shot any class (except vit barbs)
- a psychic is an unkillable tank - every attack seals you, status effect is reflected back, every physical damage is reflected back to you, charm cooldown is decreased, and white voodoo is an effective perma-turtle
- a vit build barb with 40k HP is unkillable unless being ganked by two full squads with wizards, but they can perdition one-shot just about anyone

Sure if you have time to channel. Because usually you are death earlier than channeling first spell.

Euphy - Dreamweaver

Dakaruch - Lost City wrote: »

Whatever... To me this seems more like a bunch of QQ trying to say magic users are nerfed... FFS. I'll say this once more:
1-magic classes can attack from range, if you let a bm get close to you, to stun you and **** you with 5.0 APS, then sorry, but you're ****ing dumb. If you dunno how to kite a spark from a melee user you might aswell reroll to another class cause you totally dunno how to play a magic class.
2- -channeling gear is less expensive then interval gear, so don't try to compare things. Alot of HH magic weapons got -interval, bms have 2 weapons with -interval, 1 cv, 1 HH. Our HH100 weapon with interval is more expensive then your hh100 with channeling. You can get channeling from rings, belts, necklaces... Can't get interval from rings, and only way to get interval with belts/necklaces is to use 2 pieces of light armor gear and 2 pieces of heavy gear. Then there's also nirvana gear that bm need for 5.0 speed unless you're a hell bm and use HA ornaments or LA ornaments. Then there's also tomes, where it gives you 1% channeling and gives 0.05 -interval. The thing is, you can just **** on that 1% channeling, but a 5.0 APS build can't, unless you want to be terribad with evasion ornaments.


And tbh, this thread isn't anything more then people complaining about this and that, the thing is... The game is how it is, if you can't move on and adapt to how it is, then too bad, go play some FPS, RTS and just quit tha interwebz.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Good channeling rings costs 25-50+m each (Frost | Lunar). This isn't cheap. Good channeling belts cost 10-30+m (Super-Rare OHT | TT99). Necklaces can run anywhere between 20+m, but are much more rare. This is assuming you aren't using lv.50 random drops. These prices equate to your Ashura ornaments. However with channeling belts and necklaces we give away our defense. This hurts us WAY more then it hurts you when you've got to use Ashura ornaments, seeing as you're using Heavy Armor.
Lunar Robes cost the same. Tomes cost the same. Rank Tops cost the same. Nirvana Leggings cost the same. Arguably you gain much more from them however. Please... you get -0,05 interval for our -3% (or -1% on tome) channeling. -0,05 does SO much more than -3%. And -0,1 does SO much more than -6% Channeling. Really? Its cheaper to get channeling? By the way Blademasters don't need a rank top or a tome to reach 3,33atk/sec unsparked.
Okay okay... we have the potential to get channeling on more items! Hell... I've got -46% right now. That's a -10% channeling rank weapon (Cheap? **** you.) with two savants (-6%). That totally pales in comparison to a much much much cheaper Lunar Decides with -0,1. To get a tangible benefit you pay at least as much for channeling as for interval if not more. It took me 6 months to grind out 35,000 reputation and the Signs alone cost almost as much as Decides. Maximizing channeling is not cheaper.
Moreover, cast times aren't reduced. Cool downs aren't reduced. And my reduction to channeling is percent-based, while yours is linear. But even if my channeling was linear I can't instant cast my faster spells, because of the cast time that I can't reduce no matter what. With these limitations I need 1,33 seconds for my fastest attack. A 5,0atk/sec can attack almost 7 times during the same time, albeit for less. Nonetheless, this results in a total DPS unbalance. Just look at the Nien Event for proof. 5,0atk/sec cannot be matched by casters even with the most heavily cashshopped gear. In fact by squading with casters, 5,0atk/sec have taken control of the caster rankings.
So **** you; that's imbalanced. Channeling doesn't equate to Interval in the least.
As for PvP? I can match blademasters pretty well if they use fists. But that isn't what I argued. I merely stated that Channeling and Interval are unbalanced. Not Clerics and Blademasters. The mechanisms don't match up, but overall I believe the classes are balanced. Do you remember when Blademasters and Clerics had to use Apo's when they fought? Now they really don't.

Summary:
Dakaruch is ignorant.
High Channeling (45%+) is as at least expensive as High Interval (3,33atk/sec unsparked); unless you use super-rare and otherwise weak OHT items.
I didn't say classes were unbalanced I argued the mechanisms are (that's what I voted for).

Asperitas - Lost City

Here's an honest question. I'm in agreement with you that the classes are somewhat balanced. That is, in PVP, the advantage interval gives isn't nearly as overpowering as in PVE. Given this situation, how would you balance the mechanics without compromising the class?

Aubree - Dreamweaver

Euphy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I didn't say classes were unbalanced I argued the mechanisms are (that's what I voted for). [/CENTER]

I agree with everything you said with the exception of this part. If the mechanisms are imbalanced, it makes the game/classes imbalanced.

Does your channeling break your marco? Because -int doesnt break macros.

Santacruz - Heavens Tear

i got 1 suggestion..

Un-nerf Veno bramble hood so that it does what it says on the tin in PvP, give us back our rights

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Santacruz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i got 1 suggestion..

Un-nerf Veno bramble hood so that it does what it says on the tin in PvP, give us back our rights

QQ

How about fix flesh ream PvP damage reduction and reduce pets damage against ? mobs. b:victory

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Clearly the best answer is to fix it so knockback arrow actually works in PVP. It's pretty useless atm.

Quilue - Sanctuary

I just want Asterelle to get bigger ****.

Euphy - Dreamweaver

Channeling does break my macros, but I don't use them.
Ever since I got -46% Channeling my spells break 20% of the time even without macros though. I'm not really sure why... the spells are cooled down, they channel, but they freeze during cast-time. Its pretty annoying. When I stack Ironheart or spam Plume Shot it happens pretty often.

I still don't really think the classes are unbalanced. Blademasters and Clerics used to fight on pretty even footing. They could seal us with long-range lance techniques, stun us, and pound down on our low defense. We could freeze them, put them to sleep, and pound on their dinky resistance. Genies gave them 15sec immunity to our control spells. Genies gave them 10sec immunity to our attack spells. And True Emptiness even hurts us when we attack them. Now in addition to having brutal stun locks they have amazing DPS (Fists) and DPA (Lances). To be fair they favor somewhat different builds. I still think that Psychics are pretty balanced honestly... High Damage, Fast Channeling, and Souls aside. They have lots of souls, but their control spells require several sparks. And Wizards/Clerics/Venomancers have protection spells too (3x Element Shields/Plume Shell, Guardian Light/Bramble Hood). Assassins can stealth. Yeah... sort of an huge advantage.