Your view on the 4 hour limit in dungeons/removed blessing

YordaUjain - Dreamweaver · June 2010

Taken from the patch notes

Dungeons

Dungeon time limit is now capped at 4 hours. After 4 hours, the dungeon will reset and players in the group will be kicked out.

Players will no longer receive the Dominice Blessing from any dungeon.

I personally hate this idea, players who like to take their time and enjoy dungeons will now be worried about the time limit (especially lower levels). This not only makes the game less enjoyable due to pressure of time but also takes a huge part of pwi and makes it more 'stressful' players will no longer want to take risks which will put pressure on lower players.

I can understand why the cap is been done but I do not think they are going the right way about it. How about not spending all the profit in the pub and actually using it to find a better solution? At the ever least make the time limit a little higher maybe?

Your views?

RedsRose - Lost City · June 2010

You should not be in any instance for 4 hours...lol

GohanX - Raging Tide · June 2010

The time thing I don't mind. But why take away the Dominance Blessing

YordaUjain - Dreamweaver · June 2010

GohanX - Raging Tide wrote: »

The time thing I don't mind. But why take away the Dominance Blessing

Because it made you super op. God you could 1 hit mobs with that thing.

truekossy · June 2010

Not a fan of it for teaching others about the instance (depending on the instance and how new the people are, you can waste a good deal of that time just showing them how things work), it makes random squads even scarier, and trying to do unwined FBs with an on-level squad is now something you really can't attempt anymore.

I'd rather they made it more reasonable like 8-10 hours (or just removed the boss respawn timers and fix the problem directly).

YordaUjain - Dreamweaver · June 2010

truekossy wrote: »

just removed the boss respawn timers and fix the problem directly).

simple. Easy, no hassle. +10

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver · June 2010

oh ****, I wanted to test def/attack level

Vorhs - Lost City · June 2010

i hate the idea of removing dominance blessing, as it really was a nice implement.

as well as i like the idea of 4 hours-cap... even maybe if 4 hours are a bit too short (the cap should be like 6 hours instead)

cause for example a whole TT 3-3 lasts 3 hours... if someone in party during the run have to go afk for something important, with 4 hours u risk too much to have to restart it.

btw reducing the cap and kicking out of squad is a good idea to prevent ppl to stay logged in with a low level for days and wait for boss respawn

Thedarkrealm - Lost City · June 2010

This is just 100% stupid. I can tell right now that everyone in a high end guild with high end equips and the "Pro's" are all going to come in here and say how nothing takes 4 hours to complete and for them its true, it doesn't. For everyone that hasent been in certain dungeons before or that dont have these great equips or like to take there time in these things they are the ones getting really boned here.

Me Personaly, I've never run a lunar or 3-2/3-3 or even gv delta because I don't know that many other high lvl players and even fewer that I'd trust in a mat run in any hh so I'm waiting for the people I know to catch up to me. Now how long is it going to take to run these things for a bunch of first timers, I know a hell of a lot longer then 4 hours. My first frost run was 8 hours, second was 6 hours I dont think I've been in a squad yet thats done it in under 4 hours, in for hours yes but under no... Just saying not everyone has the high end equips & guilds and not everyones "pro" and this is who's getting boned by this because thinking everyone should be done with everything in under 4 hours is just a bad move

RainbowVidel - Sanctuary · June 2010

This topic belongs in General Discussion, not Suggestion Box (since this is not an actual suggestion).

YordaUjain - Dreamweaver · June 2010

It is nice knowing you have extra time on your hands instead of stressing over the fact YOU HAVE A TIME LIMIT. It completely wipes the fun out of doing it. I for one do not want the pressure of having this time limit over my head it puts me off and I know this will throw off a lot of squads now i.e. world chat BH based squads will now be tighter i.e players will be looking for "better players" to avoid squad wipes/time loss. the word "afk 10 mins" will now generate major panic, drama and ****.

Summary: This whole thing is fail and can only get worse.

LifeHunting - Heavens Tear · June 2010

Meh, the only bad thing is that certain instances are now going to be more of a pain in the **** for people (3-3, lunar, frost, etc.)

As for the blessing, I went through a whole 2-1 and i forgot to put it on. I didn't notice a single point difference in my hitting power. (That was when i was lvl 70)

GohanX - Raging Tide · June 2010

YordaUjain - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Because it made you super op. God you could 1 hit mobs with that thing.

That's not true at all. The Dominance Blessing gave my attacks an extra kick but it never made me that much more powerful.

Cyriaella - Raging Tide · June 2010

Dominance blessings were completely unnecessary to begin with. We did just fine without them before they were added.

As for the 4 hour limit... I haven't checked what it's called on these servers but taking a party into CV (Crescent valley. level 9X dungeon for equipment) right after it opened on the MY-EN servers with noone really knowing what to expect we took around 2-2.5 hours to clear the first section. I can't imagine a party touching the dungeon for the first time possibly being able to finish it all in a single 4 hour go. We had to have someone log off in there so we could start it again the next day though i don't believe we ever got around to finishing it. the party was full 95+ and had decent gear.

GohanX - Raging Tide · June 2010

Yeah there are a couple dungeons that take too long to get done in the 4 hours. Maybe the devs were just trying to increase mat sales in the Boutique, get us to buy mats for wines.

SilverCleric - Lost City · June 2010

There is now a official thread about this... ._.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=760182

GohanX - Raging Tide · June 2010

We all know Silver. Let's just milk this one until Kon-man closes it :P

SilverCleric - Lost City · June 2010

GohanX - Raging Tide wrote: »

We all know Silver. Let's just milk this one until Kon-man closes it :P

Alright then... b:sweat

anwynd · June 2010

i totally agree tht they should make it so the bosses dont respawn but imo i think nothing should respawn in the instances(FBs/BHs/TT/FF/RB )b:angry

Diochan - Heavens Tear · June 2010

honestly as far as the blessing is concerned i never noticed any diffrance anyway, and with those thingies that com e with the attendance sheets, i will hardly miss them. there were manytimes i didn't use it still did well.

now as for the 4 hour time limit i can't comment since i haven't been in the higher level dungons, but i would imagine that the venos with hurcs that solo those doungons would be pissxD

YordaUjain - Dreamweaver · June 2010

GohanX - Raging Tide wrote: »

Yeah there are a couple dungeons that take too long to get done in the 4 hours. Maybe the devs were just trying to increase mat sales in the Boutique, get us to buy mats for wines.

Yeah, that is what I think also. Their greed for money and the things they do to try and get it are starting to annoy me. Horns was epic fail already, if they continue to throw stupid updates at me I'm long gone. b:bye

If players assume your a greedy fat **** who only cares about money, your company isn't going to get very far is it?

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver · June 2010

YordaUjain - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If players assume your a greedy fat **** who only cares about money, your company isn't going to get very far is it?

why not?
evey company seeks profit and it's perfectly fine (with me)
should we really play the game "we are a 'good' company that care for youb:cute"?
I prefer a company that clearly states that their only aim is money rather than a hypocrite that claims to want to serve the ppl.
Certainly, serving the ppl is dictated by the need for profit and therefore we reach at the same end. Only that the motivation of profit is much more stable, sane and generally preferable than some silly emotions that will vanish when the (head of) the company grows up and faces the real world

and btw, why on earth would you buy mats from the boutique for wines?
thanks to the packs anything higher than 110k for a wine is too much

Amencat - Sanctuary · June 2010

hate this new update,
if you do 20/20/20 you need about 2 hours for kill your way through the fb69 and then you forced to use a wine!

or for venos who try to solo a dungeons for getting some stamps and drops for themselves, they need more time than a regular squad!

remove the damn 4 hours limit! b:angry

YordaUjain - Dreamweaver · June 2010

Last night in BH69 (wraith gate) The Barb D/Ced. We were doing his fb and his 20 20 20 (I suggested he wine it and do that later he didn't listen) The barb came back 20 mins later, by the time we got the squad all back and ready we were about 40 mins into the cave already.

It took us just over 2 and a half hours to clean the cave, 3 in total. And that's just for wraithgate! Imagine TT runs with little mistakes ups like this.

"brb, need a break" will turn into chaos. Not to mention some parties prefer to take a short 30 mn break for tea/dinner in middle of run. Venos now won't be able to solo the caves anymore, also although 4 hours may seem like plenty of time to complete a cave it generates pressure/stress which causes the need to rush and thus take out the fun of doing it. This also generates pressure on new time players such as newbies to FC.

There has been NO THOUGHT or structure to this update, it's dumb and hasn't been thought of correctly. "removing re spawn" seems more of an intelligent thing to do then to put a time limit on. These updates really do say a lot about the devs, are they ****? Or don't they think what they are doing? Do I need to remind you of the horrible horns. How can anyone think that was a good idea?

Borsuc - Raging Tide · June 2010

YordaUjain - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Venos now won't be able to solo the caves anymore

...this is a bad thing?

Lesthar - Heavens Tear · June 2010

YordaUjain - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Last night in BH69 (wraith gate) The Barb D/Ced. We were doing his fb and his 20 20 20 (I suggested he wine it and do that later he didn't listen) The barb came back 20 mins later, by the time we got the squad all back and ready we were about 40 mins into the cave already.

It took us just over 2 and a half hours to clean the cave, 3 in total. And that's just for wraithgate! Imagine TT runs with little mistakes ups like this.

"brb, need a break" will turn into chaos. Not to mention some parties prefer to take a short 30 mn break for tea/dinner in middle of run. Venos now won't be able to solo the caves anymore, also although 4 hours may seem like plenty of time to complete a cave it generates pressure/stress which causes the need to rush and thus take out the fun of doing it. This also generates pressure on new time players such as newbies to FC.

There has been NO THOUGHT or structure to this update, it's dumb and hasn't been thought of correctly. "removing re spawn" seems more of an intelligent thing to do then to put a time limit on. These updates really do say a lot about the devs, are they ****? Or don't they think what they are doing? Do I need to remind you of the horrible horns. How can anyone think that was a good idea?

I do sense that AOE rush will be the only way of getting through instances, while careful planning be thrown out of the window. People will seek powerlevel even more this way, or burn charms and GAs like crazy. (Hmmm.)

No one will be allowed to afk. Go for dinner before or after doing your instance, not during otherwise you will get hated for life. No phone, no pee break either. As for people nagging in the background that you should do your chores or whatnot, ask for peace and quiet before you are fully done.

Even people soloing TT, which costs a sub, as everyone know, will be penalized.

Hmmm, I do see this coming.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver · June 2010

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

No one will be allowed to afk. Go for dinner before or after doing your instance, not during otherwise you will get hated for life. No phone, no pee break either. As for people nagging in the background that you should do your chores or whatnot, ask for peace and quiet before you are fully done.
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i like that

Scathatch - Harshlands · June 2010

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

You should not be in any instance for 4 hours...lol

for lvl 100s mayb all the instances are easy, but not for lower lvls

Ilwyn_ - Dreamweaver · June 2010

Scathatch - Harshlands wrote: »

for lvl 100s mayb all the instances are easy, but not for lower lvls

This.
Pretty much the people who don't like the limit are those 80 and below who are still trying to level, and those who say we're whining too much are like...90+ on one of their characters.

YordaUjain - Dreamweaver · June 2010

During FC today probably a typical problem which will become increasingly common due to this stupid update.

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/1210/chaos1.jpg

One of my team entered cave starting time without us know, we lost 30+ mins of cave time due to this.

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/2346/chaos2j.jpg

One of our party members D/Ced. Sal (veno) had to AFK, lost +40 mins

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/821/chaos3h.jpg

Barb D/Ced lost of +10 mins.

The pressure and the waiting time only built up stress with comments like "damn we don't have time for this" been said. How is it fun doing a cave when you have to worry about the time?

It isn't. This is the most stupid update I have ever seen and gets my 2nd biggest fail award next to the horns. I am not the only one who hates this idea btw, bare in mind not everyone visits the forums.

Wenomus - Dreamweaver · June 2010

- the Blessing really dont help that much, and we finally get use for the rewards from school quest thingy

-If you spend more than 4 hours in Dungeon, you are just not supposed to be there.

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