Your view on the 4 hour limit in dungeons/removed blessing

YordaUjain - Dreamweaver

Wenomus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

- the Blessing really dont help that much, and we finally get use for the rewards from school quest thingy

-If you spend more than 4 hours in Dungeon, you are just not supposed to be there.

Yeah I don't have a problem with the blessing been removed. Spending 4 hours in a dungeon can be done, look back at my previous post, **** can happen and time can be lost because of it.

Also like I've said like 10 times now (this includes low levels more) Having a time limit builds up the need to rush which takes out the fun of it. If they are going to put a time cap on the cave, AT LEAST make it something high such as 7hours. Because of the time cap players won't want to take risks and newbies will be thrown out of squads.

Thedarkrealm - Lost City wrote: »

This is just 100% stupid. I can tell right now that everyone in a high end guild with high end equips and the "Pro's" are all going to come in here and say how nothing takes 4 hours to complete and for them its true, it doesn't. For everyone that hasent been in certain dungeons before or that dont have these great equips or like to take there time in these things they are the ones getting really boned here.

Me Personaly, I've never run a lunar or 3-2/3-3 or even gv delta because I don't know that many other high lvl players and even fewer that I'd trust in a mat run in any hh so I'm waiting for the people I know to catch up to me. Now how long is it going to take to run these things for a bunch of first timers, I know a hell of a lot longer then 4 hours. My first frost run was 8 hours, second was 6 hours I dont think I've been in a squad yet thats done it in under 4 hours, in for hours yes but under no... Just saying not everyone has the high end equips & guilds and not everyones "pro" and this is who's getting boned by this because thinking everyone should be done with everything in under 4 hours is just a bad move

BeingHope - Raging Tide

Personally I think its nicer this way. Now we won't all waste our time in instances fooling around and actually get to work. I've been in plenty of squads where they do nothing but waste time.

Anyways, the only people I can think it affects without the blessing are the barbs and some other DDs but otherwise I think we're okay. I mean, thats how the game originally was right? b:question

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver

BeingHope - Raging Tide wrote: »

Personally I think its nicer this way. Now we won't all waste our time in instances fooling around and actually get to work. I've been in plenty of squads where they do nothing but waste time.

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KageYingZi - Heavens Tear

For those who QQ about harder dungeons w/o the blessings,you kinda forgot people could still do them before the blessings.

The 4 hour limit kinda sucks but I guess we just have to find a way to do our dungeons faster instead of just QQ-ing about it.

YordaUjain - Dreamweaver

KageYingZi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

For those who QQ about harder dungeons w/o the blessings,you kinda forgot people could still do them before the blessings.

I agree, I'm not too fussed about the lose of the blessing. Heck, we still have the event blessing to use.

Firesong - Dreamweaver

So much for FC below 90s. Wait, we get the quests in our 70s?

Pressure for the Clerics. They can't afford to die and town and come alllll the way back...

Pressure for venos. We're SUPPOSED to be a class that solos stuff. I mean, come on....Aren't hercs a big enough fee for our class?

Yes, I can see that the high levels won't complain. After all, they were never n00bs once, and have never been in a squad where a single fail person turned it into a several hour chore, have never had constant squad wipes on a single boss, have never had a random person announce they need pots and spend 20 minutes getting them...

Right?

YordaUjain - Dreamweaver

Firesong - Dreamweaver wrote: »

So much for FC below 90s. Wait, we get the quests in our 70s?

Pressure for the Clerics. They can't afford to die and town and come alllll the way back...

Pressure for venos. We're SUPPOSED to be a class that solos stuff. I mean, come on....Aren't hercs a big enough fee for our class?

Yes, I can see that the high levels won't complain. After all, they were never n00bs once, and have never been in a squad where a single fail person turned it into a several hour chore, have never had constant squad wipes on a single boss, have never had a random person announce they need pots and spend 20 minutes getting them...

Right?

I'd also like to add I CAN NOT get into an fc squad now (apart from with my friends, who are busy with college atm) I am still pretty newbieish which instantly gets me rejected when I ask for fc squad. I am not the only one who will be having a hard time with this also.

This also apply s to luna and gamma now people will be wanting the experienced and thus the newbies (new generation) can't learn and thus don't get in.

Caves are a massive part of the game, it's not fair that we have to rush it or have the pressure of time over our heads.

**** can happen. Here is a story from one of our faction members.

"we were doing pole last night, everyone was 'poor' and didn't want to pay wine fee. I went around getting the coin for the wine and paid myself. But it turns out someone in our squad already started the timer for the cave. When he came back and resquaded with us we had about 20mins to do the cave, upon wining the cave we managed to get to pyro where we were kicked when his hp became 100kish.' I lost the wine and my bh"


One of the 1000s of story's going around at the moment.

Thedarkrealm - Lost City wrote: »

This is just 100% stupid. I can tell right now that everyone in a high end guild with high end equips and the "Pro's" are all going to come in here and say how nothing takes 4 hours to complete and for them its true, it doesn't

A lot of the people who are against this do not have any problems with it as they never take 4 hours to do a cave bare in mind that not everyone has such great equipment.

-Newbies will have a harder time getting into squads such as FC/Luna
-Newbies will find it harder to learn their roll in such caves as a result this can cause lies which can lead to squad wipes, lack of interest in the game (caves are big part of game) which can lead to quitting, spam threads asking to remove the limit etc..
-Spam threads asking to remove the time limit.


I'm sorry the 4 hour limit is epic fail, it benefits NO ONE. And when **** does happen like my example above. It does happen, it will only cause more ****. It would be FAR more safer to just remove re squad rate on bosses and remove this stupid 4 hour time cap.

Don't argue that "it doesn't take 4 hours" because that is a meaningless argument and that isn't the problem. The problem is the **** which can be caused by this, and the newbies which will now have a hard time learning the basics.

Firesong - Dreamweaver

I've never been in an FC that took less than 4 hours. Even some TT squads (4x squad wipe on ape, anyone?) have taken awhile.

And I like to run around 3-x cause it's pretty. NO MAKING PRETTY IF I CAN'T PLAY IN IT. >.>

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Either way. I can see it all now.

LF 99+ [class] for [dungeon], must have good internet, good computer, many pots and foods, and be charmed. All others...are screwed.

And of course, one serverkill could kill a while run (took 15 mins to get everyone back in when a mass DC claimed 4 squad members in 51).


Why do bosses have a respawn time, anyway? Get rid of that and get rid of the time limit, or at least set it to something reasonable.

EDIT: AND ANOTHER THING

If you're dead when the kick happens, you're SOL. A cleric cannot get back in and res you.
I am currently lying dead in the FC entrance from where Holeen killed me before the kick and the cleric couldn't get back to res.

Needless to say, this fills me with rage.

YordaUjain - Dreamweaver

Firesong - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If you're dead when the kick happens, you're SOL. A cleric cannot get back in and res you.
I am currently lying dead in the FC entrance from where Holeen killed me before the kick and the cleric couldn't get back to res. Needless to say, this fills me with rage.

these storys are going to start becoming increasingly common. I wouldn't be supprised if they introduce a time limit increase stone in the item mall, which in my view would be very very very low. I don't think it's fair we should have to rush our feel the pressure of time over our heads. For gods sake JUST REMOVE THE DAMN RE SPAWN!!!.

NiightmareXz - Harshlands

I didn't feel like reading all the comments on this.
I have no clue if what I'm going to say is the same as someone else's post.

I personally think 4 hours in a dungeon is a little bit. . stupid.
I've been in FC's that lasted longer than 4 hours, and I've heard of Nirvana's and etc lasting longer than that.
But now that it's a limit of 4 hours, if you want to reset a bh... don't you have to wait the rest of the time? I haven't looked into it, but if that's the case, that really sucks.
The no more dominance blessing is fine, I guess. If you did the attendance thing, you get lots of bless boxes that can be used for them. Sadly, the time limit on them is 30 minutes, so you better have stocked up on them. Otherwise, there's the Jone's Blessbox which is pretty nice. +30 Attack Level. Although, it could deal some aggrostealing. I have yet to see what it was like for me in an instance with it on.

YordaUjain - Dreamweaver

NiightmareXz - Harshlands wrote: »

I didn't feel like reading all the comments on this.
I have no clue if what I'm going to say is the same as someone else's post.

I personally think 4 hours in a dungeon is a little bit. . stupid.
I've been in FC's that lasted longer than 4 hours, and I've heard of Nirvana's and etc lasting longer than that.
But now that it's a limit of 4 hours, if you want to reset a bh... don't you have to wait the rest of the time? I haven't looked into it, but if that's the case, that really sucks.
The no more dominance blessing is fine, I guess. If you did the attendance thing, you get lots of bless boxes that can be used for them. Sadly, the time limit on them is 30 minutes, so you better have stocked up on them. Otherwise, there's the Jone's Blessbox which is pretty nice. +30 Attack Level. Although, it could deal some aggrostealing. I have yet to see what it was like for me in an instance with it on.

Doing a training fc, we BARELY finished in time.

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YordaUjain - Dreamweaver

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Ashivas - Dreamweaver

I'm not quite a high enough level to know all of the dungeons. Fb 19-59 don't take very long. And neither do TT 1-1, 1-2, or 2-1.

After that i'm ignorant. But yea get rid of timer. I've actually gotten close to that timer in BH51 lol. Too many people going afk. Worst BH run ever...

Orisu - Heavens Tear

This is the most idiotic thing ever put into PWI. Why can't they just take the stupid respawn out? We spend enough money in this game as it is, My herc was 200 dollars that I could've used on something important, but I got it so I can solo things and not waste time looking for squads, I just got kicked out of a 2-2 because of the stupid time limit and I needed astralwalker, How am I or anyone else suppose to get mats for our armor and weapons when we rush to kill bosses and end up dying? I wasted two perfectly good 92k a piece subs for this! b:cry

Get rid of the time limit and boss respawn!

ChaseyLain - Lost City

removed blessings=irrelevant

4 hour instance=6 would be better to stop the whining of the slow asses.

Shadowvzs - Lost City

i agree with remove or modify the timer cause a tt3-3 with all boss + 3 card boss there could be longer than 4 h .........

Killmin - Harshlands

OK first off no complaing that I am a high lvl and dont know what its like to be low lvl. I had to go through the low lvl's just like everyone else.

Second I did my first FC at lvl 78 and my herc was lvl 75 and i tanked all but 2 bosses in it, it took 3 hours. When i was lvl'ing in there a 9x squad took 1.5 hours or less to finish as long as no one afk'd if they did 2 hours max anything more for 9x is fail.

Did fb 69 unwined in 1.5 hours so dont tell me you cant do a bh in 4 hours with wine evan if you have to fly to arch.

Third blessing was **** use the jones blessing if your a dd and you can 2 shot most mobs. use the def lvl school teacher blessing for barbs and they can tank things a good 5 lvl's sooner than before.

the only reason they put the time limit in was to stop venos soloing tt becouse everyone that wasnt a veno complained that it wasnt fair and after 2 years of your crying they screwed us over. But really it was kinda op that you could make 2-3 mil in 4 hours in tt 3-1 as a lvl 85+ veno with a herc.

The fact that this makes things harder is WONDERFUL maybe it will keep compleatly fail people from reaching high lvl in a couple of months just hypering fc. nothing is worse than squading a lvl 95+ player that doesnt know how to play the class and know thier skills. now if they will just set the respawn timer on oracal mobs to a min of 2 hour we can start to make people earn thier lvl and gear by being a good player and not just staning in one spot till lvl 80 than fcing to 100. It took me over a year to get my lvl and gear and I hate thease people that have played for 3 months or less are lvl 100 and run around in lvl 7x molds becouse thats all the gear they need for fc. maybe if they really fix this game and make the 80's take 2 months to get throuogh than we will have a better class of player.

Shadowvzs - Lost City

Killmin - Harshlands wrote: »

OK first off no complaing that I am a high lvl and dont know what its like to be low lvl. I had to go through the low lvl's just like everyone else.

Second I did my first FC at lvl 78 and my herc was lvl 75 and i tanked all but 2 bosses in it, it took 3 hours. When i was lvl'ing in there a 9x squad took 1.5 hours or less to finish as long as no one afk'd if they did 2 hours max anything more for 9x is fail.

Did fb 69 unwined in 1.5 hours so dont tell me you cant do a bh in 4 hours with wine evan if you have to fly to arch.

Third blessing was **** use the jones blessing if your a dd and you can 2 shot most mobs. use the def lvl school teacher blessing for barbs and they can tank things a good 5 lvl's sooner than before.

the only reason they put the time limit in was to stop venos soloing tt becouse everyone that wasnt a veno complained that it wasnt fair and after 2 years of your crying they screwed us over. But really it was kinda op that you could make 2-3 mil in 4 hours in tt 3-1 as a lvl 85+ veno with a herc.

The fact that this makes things harder is WONDERFUL maybe it will keep compleatly fail people from reaching high lvl in a couple of months just hypering fc. nothing is worse than squading a lvl 95+ player that doesnt know how to play the class and know thier skills. now if they will just set the respawn timer on oracal mobs to a min of 2 hour we can start to make people earn thier lvl and gear by being a good player and not just staning in one spot till lvl 80 than fcing to 100. It took me over a year to get my lvl and gear and I hate thease people that have played for 3 months or less are lvl 100 and run around in lvl 7x molds becouse thats all the gear they need for fc. maybe if they really fix this game and make the 80's take 2 months to get throuogh than we will have a better class of player.

i eat my hat if somebody with uber gear do the lunar under 4h, normaly its take far more 4h b:bye
next really a 3-3 with card summons for a nub team could be 4h without any problem and afk.

similiar here, nearly 1y (or less with few month) for archer and another for wizz, true not in this server but this will effect to every official server and still i remember how was when i grinded my archer eqb:surrender.

Ashivas - Dreamweaver

Killmin - Harshlands wrote: »

OK first off no complaing that I am a high lvl and dont know what its like to be low lvl. I had to go through the low lvl's just like everyone else.

Second I did my first FC at lvl 78 and my herc was lvl 75 and i tanked all but 2 bosses in it, it took 3 hours. When i was lvl'ing in there a 9x squad took 1.5 hours or less to finish as long as no one afk'd if they did 2 hours max anything more for 9x is fail.

Did fb 69 unwined in 1.5 hours so dont tell me you cant do a bh in 4 hours with wine evan if you have to fly to arch.

Third blessing was **** use the jones blessing if your a dd and you can 2 shot most mobs. use the def lvl school teacher blessing for barbs and they can tank things a good 5 lvl's sooner than before.

the only reason they put the time limit in was to stop venos soloing tt becouse everyone that wasnt a veno complained that it wasnt fair and after 2 years of your crying they screwed us over. But really it was kinda op that you could make 2-3 mil in 4 hours in tt 3-1 as a lvl 85+ veno with a herc.

The fact that this makes things harder is WONDERFUL maybe it will keep compleatly fail people from reaching high lvl in a couple of months just hypering fc. nothing is worse than squading a lvl 95+ player that doesnt know how to play the class and know thier skills. now if they will just set the respawn timer on oracal mobs to a min of 2 hour we can start to make people earn thier lvl and gear by being a good player and not just staning in one spot till lvl 80 than fcing to 100. It took me over a year to get my lvl and gear and I hate thease people that have played for 3 months or less are lvl 100 and run around in lvl 7x molds becouse thats all the gear they need for fc. maybe if they really fix this game and make the 80's take 2 months to get throuogh than we will have a better class of player.

Couldn't they just fix the boss respawn or something... I don't know how this works, so if i'm wrong feel free to flame me, but are you saying venos would clear an instance in TT, then stand at a boss and kill it, then when it respawned kill it again? And just sit there all day killing it...

How about, bosses don't respawn period. Until you leave the instance. Would take a lot more time for a veno to clear that over and over again -__-

Again, if i'm wrong, please tell me. Because I really hate venos, they're overpowered, and when I think of a veno farming TT, that is what I picture. If I was a veno, I could buy some sexy wings in a day