PVP FOR veno

n0ob wrote: »

So, If you can't afford a phoenix don't play a venomancer for PVP, because they're plain useless on their own.

Mmmhm.. well.. you obviously don't know how to play a veno.

A veno can ravage most other classes in PvP if built right, even without the ridiculously overpowered herc and nix. A sawfly with ripping bite is the next best thing, and it still hurts like the fire of a thousand raving monkey whores.

For a purely PvP veno, I would suggest following the dual heavy armour stat build. Can find more info on it all over the veno forum. The general gist of it is that you use heavy armour though.

Either you're a complete idiot, or you're deliberately giving bad advice just to try to **** people up.

I'm inclined to go for the latter. No one should be so utterly idiotic as to believe that a pure int veno with ele defense stones is the best build for PvP. By doing so you pretty much close off two thirds of your skill tree... namely the part which contains some of the best PvP skills out of any class - specifically the debuff and curses.

Furthermore, you've just decided to complain about venos being so overpowered with their phoenixes, and then you decided to turn around and declare venos to be hideously underpowered.

I've made a heavy armour veno.. and I can say that it rocked at PvP. There's a lot more to venos than just spamming spells while using ripping bite. You're just too incompetent to see that, which is why whatever pathetic veno you made got its **** handed to it. I'm willing to bet that you never even tried the debuffs or curses.

You blatantly and clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Any half decent player would agree that a pure int veno with ele defense soulstones is pretty much the worst possible veno PvP build. You'll be able to beat some wizards every now and then (just hope that they don't hit you with a strong blade tempest?), but you'll get utterly ravaged by anything else.

Now, go wait in the car. The grownups are talking here.

n0ob wrote: »

You obviously have never heard about "archers" "stuns" and "blademasters"
Ripping bite you say? Freeze arrow 8.0 seconds of the fly hanging in mid air doing nothing, while it's master gets stunned and shot to death.

Ripping bite you say? Can it pierce through a heaven blademaster's 23k physical defense?

Venomancer you say? Can you actually make a hiero tick on blademaster with 13k physical defence and over 10k wood defence?

Did you know an Axe Blademaster can keep any character stunned till it dies?

Did you know archers have a purification skill and immunity to negative effects?

Did you know archers have the maximum range in the game and the fastest things in the air?

Did you know a venomancer cannot control it's pet outside 18m range?

Did you know a heavy venomancer gets 1 shotted by pyrogram from a level 60 wizard?

Did you know a Light Armor venomancer gets 1 shotted by all the other classes in the game?

Do you know what predation (Armageddon) does to a pure int venomancer?

Did you know if a venomancer is built on endurance(lots of HP so it never gets 1 shotted) it has the lowest damage in the game and can never kill anything?

And finally... Did you know the PVP rankings never had more than 2 venomancers before the phoenix was out?

As stated before, they are good with the phoenix otherwise they're only good at running away or running around or PVE or in group wars where they are not the only target.

A "good" PVP build for a venomancer would be one with pure INT. Don't add VIT, just give all your points to INT and use Robes with elemental defense gems. (it will protect you from mages)
You will get 1 shotted by any physical damage (unless you are the master of Bramble and kite), but you can 1 shot most heavy armored characters. While your pet can kill any robe character. Max your Ironwood scarab, become a demon venomancer, get the demon Ironwood book and that's about all you need.

p.s. If anyone says heavy armored venomancer is the best ask them to make one and find out for themselves.

Wow, I think that's the longest post I've ever seen from you, n0ob. But you recommend robes for a Venomancer, and I disagree. Though you have more experience in the game than me, I can say as an actual veno that anything that deals physical damage will just poke the keyboard with sticks and kill a robed venomancer several levels above them. Unless each and every one of their enemies is a Full int mage, venos shouldn't be wearing robes to PVP.

Ok.. let's clear something up here.. I will admit that it's my fault on some level though.. I should have realised that I was arguing with a complete idiot.

Everyone here is talking about heavy armour venomancer.. not battle fox.. but heavy armour and using spells..

I'm gonna pause for a second here while you wrap your shriveled and worthless brain around that concept. Got it...? Good. Let's move on.

n0ob wrote:

Now, a pure INT venomancer has 3 advantages.

Bramble
Feral Concentration
Myriad Rainbow Venomancer
Range with more damage!!

Heavy armour veno also gets Bramble.. except it works better, because for it to do damage you need to be getting hit.. and if you're getting hit you need to be able to survive getting hit.

Again.. heavy armour veno also gets Feral Concentration.. except unlike your pure int piece of **** it doesn't need to use it to avoid getting stomped in one hit.

I'm not sure why you included Myriad Rainbow Venomancer as a benefit of pure int robe user.. it's exactly the same regardless of how much int you have or how much your matt is.

Heavy armour veno has just as much range as pure int.. and slightly less damage. Here's the matt formula:
(Level + Magic Attack from Weapon (min or max),Soul Stones, Rings, Pendant and Necklace) x (1 + Int / 100)

Using rough numbers, at level 90 a pure int veno will pack about 405 base int. Give or take. A heavy armour veno will pack about 270, give or take.

Let's hypothetically assume that they both have.. mmm.. let's say.. 2000 weapon attack.

A pure int veno would have roughly 10100 magic attack.
A heavy armour veno would have roughly 7400 magic attack.

The damage advantage of a pure int veno really isn't all that much, and assuming 2k weapon attack is being pretty damn generous to your argument.

Having slightly more magic attack and slightly more magic defence is the only advantage a pure int veno has. And the last one doesn't even really count. It's pretty much overridden by heavy armour veno having more HP (from refinements) and being able to switch between heavy armour and robes as the situation warrants. Not to mention heavy armour veno is able to survive long enough to debuff and curse and all that jazz.

You have absolutely no argument worth making. Stop vomiting bad advice out of every pathetic ****, no0b.

Envy - Lost City wrote: »

In order to play this abnormally simple class all you need to do is one of the following

Get a max speed aviation + lots of fuel, sit in the air and send your pheonix after things then just fuel away from your opponent till they die.

Do what i said previously except now you armorbreak, debuff, and amplify,

If fighting an archer stun them because your stun is faster, once your stun is out have the phoenix stun them, then attempt armor break and bleed the archer.

You now know how to play basically the easiest class in the game and virtually the least expensive to deal the amount of damage it deals.

Envy always knows how to lighten up a thread. But there's no mention of armour in there. Envy: Pure Int for Phoenix-assisted **** or Heavy armour for kiting and flying in circles watching your opponent's hiero get **** because they're too stubborn to give up? (bigtime is SO much fun to use that tactic on. Sometimes he/she beats me but damn, I could fight him/her all day.)

Why are you all assuming this person is rich and plays all the time enough to GET a phoenix.. not every veno has one.. lol. the person asked for builds not for pet advice..

fuzzles wrote: »

Ok.. let's clear something up here.. I will admit that it's my fault on some level though.. I should have realised that I was arguing with a complete idiot.

Everyone here is talking about heavy armour venomancer.. not battle fox.. but heavy armour and using spells..

I'm gonna pause for a second here while you wrap your shriveled and worthless brain around that concept. Got it...? Good. Let's move on.



Heavy armour veno also gets Bramble.. except it works better, because for it to do damage you need to be getting hit.. and if you're getting hit you need to be able to survive getting hit.

Again.. heavy armour veno also gets Feral Concentration.. except unlike your pure int piece of **** it doesn't need to use it to avoid getting stomped in one hit.

I'm not sure why you included Myriad Rainbow Venomancer as a benefit of pure int robe user.. it's exactly the same regardless of how much int you have or how much your matt is.

Heavy armour veno has just as much range as pure int.. and slightly less damage. Here's the matt formula:
(Level + Magic Attack from Weapon (min or max),Soul Stones, Rings, Pendant and Necklace) x (1 + Int / 100)


Using rough numbers, at level 90 a pure int veno will pack about 405 base int. Give or take. A heavy armour veno will pack about 270, give or take.

Let's hypothetically assume that they both have.. mmm.. let's say.. 2000 weapon attack.
A pure int veno would have roughly 10100 magic attack.
A heavy armour veno would have roughly 7400 magic attack.

The damage advantage of a pure int veno really isn't all that much, and assuming 2k weapon attack is being pretty damn generous to your argument.

Having slightly more magic attack and slightly more magic defence is the only advantage a pure int veno has. And the last one doesn't even really count. It's pretty much overridden by heavy armour veno having more HP (from refinements) and being able to switch between heavy armour and robes as the situation warrants. Not to mention heavy armour veno is able to survive long enough to debuff and curse and all that jazz.

You have absolutely no argument worth making. Stop vomiting bad advice out of every pathetic ****, no0b.

Based on my calculation, a heavy veno can only have 184 INT if she use up to dated heavy armors, which mean she can only use HH60 weapon. So let’s do calculation again.

Level 90 Wraith Conquerer 748 min magic attack
Level 60 Ancient Arbor 511 min magic attack

Heavy (90 + 511) x (1 + 184/100) =1706.84
Pure (90 + 748) x (1 + 408/100) = 4257.04

My number is way off yours, one of us is wrong for sure. There is no any bounds added to calculation. Robe veno will get more magic attack bounds then heavy.

LOL@no0b as usually u talk out of your ****

Veno's main aim is to stay alive to be honest. All u need to do is stay alive till that overpowered as hell pet kills evrything and everyone. Therefore robe build is just plain stupid.

Light Venos work well as someone wearing 90hh light amour is very hard to one-shot and u can get a decent crit rate so your reduced damage is not so bad. One such Veno Cancer seems to crit evry fight b:surrender

Heavy Veno is also viable and some say the best pvp build as despite wat people say heavy mdef is not that low for instance at a barb friend of mine when we were both 8x only had 200 less mdef than i did in full molder light gear and over 7k more pdef....This build as Lily says uses magic accesories and rings with +stats on them Daikoku for example can wear both 90hh heavy and the 90hh wraith conqueror sword. However this build has very low hp if u do not + ur gear to at least 3/4 so this is for the veno with cash.

Lastly any veno who wants to pk seriously should get a phoenix they are VERY cheap compared to other servers and for their power output. u can get a phoenix for as little 14 mil which is about a +7 weapon for any other class. A +7 weapon does virtually 0 damage compared to a phoenix... AND venos have ways of making easy money. My wf friend makes large amounts of moeny jus grinding as she has no need for heiros/pots

Finally no0b u are a noob u have no idea about fighting or being a veno on this server. Lol@ archers fastest in the air everyone gets the same speed CS wings and in fact the majority of the server has max speed wings. On same wings and fuel mages are fastest because of distance shrink. Go learn 2 play please and stop filling this forum with ur noob thoughts and ideas about this game.

@swgs
I'm a level 81 heavy armour veno and I have 210 int, for the level 70 mold sword which I shall use for quite a while. I also use level 70 heavy armour. All I need for now.

I wil tell u a true pk story about meh vs nix veno.

1. i got atked by lvl 97 nix veno..she got best wep for that lvl best gear!

2. i got worse stuff..xD mold wep and a sawflyw bleed + clalw.

3. she failed to kil meh..cuz i gto genie imunnune for bleed! i jump down from my fly-..nix to slow!..my pet atked her..i stun her...+ ironwood = dead nix veno QQ..

Why did she die?..well she did't knwo how to sue her skils at rigth time...and probbly think pet do the work.

best gear for pvp is HA/AA or AA w alot pdef chard..and alot poits on vit ALOT!


ya peps say sawfly die in 1 hit..but w i pk.there is nobody that atk my pet..its rare that it get kiled!

Inb4lock&stupidposts...oh wait Aniella already didb:chuckle

whee~ a necro...D:

most veno i see: send nix...bird dies...run away

lol why are you guys fighting about PVP for my class?is my class really that difficult to understand?well ill tell you.

here are some ways to survive PVP wth veno..

1.buy phonix and use alot of good spells.

2.if you cant afford a phonix,no worries,just fly around then find someone not suspecting you,then use your best attack and send your pet out to attack with its best attack,then use as many stuns as possible and let your pet kill the person.

3.if you cant do any of the above,then you are probaley gonna die and there is no point in PVP.but if you dont want to die,use the best heavy armor possible and try to use your best attacks.

This i say with a ray of hope,for sure the clerics can heal themselves,barbs can do so much damage,but venomancers can defeat a barb with stuns,amazing abilites and pets. b:cute